Anti-gentrification in the UK?

Submitted by october_lost on 14 March, 2008 - 00:19.

Want to start opposing the increasing yuppification of the East End in London, any chances people have suggestions where to look for support?

Dont want to go about this, reinventing the wheel and all that.

14 March, 2008 - 08:20

Oh, for a moment there I thought you were talking about a trend opposite to gentrification, which would be interesting to hear about..

Isn't opposing gentrification kind of a lose-lose situation? I mean, either the "indigenous" tennants lose and are evicted, or win and the infrastructure around them just keeps deteriorating. Unless, of course, they struggle for better compensation packages, instead, like in factory closures. Which makes the "opposition" kind of disingenuous.

14 March, 2008 - 09:37

I was involved in anti-yuppie activities in the East End In late 80’s. Remember Lofty’s yuppie flat on the Isle of Dogs? It’s really a kind of stuntism, that is to say, building a culture of jostling the middle classes in the street and making them fell generally unwelcome. The outcome: gated estates for the bright young things.

Organisations thrive on an “outside-in” philosophy. To generate action, identify the demands of your customers, visualise the outcomes those demands imply and then design and implement business processes made up of tasks that only contribute to the production of that outcome. So the question is, comrade, what is it you’re after? What transactions do you envisage undertaking with your target segment of the working class?

14 March, 2008 - 17:26

quite a good article on it here

http://www.iwca.info/cutedge/ce0006.htm

and one example of how it can be done from below

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/12/regeneration.communities

14 March, 2008 - 18:40
Carousel wrote:
I was involved in anti-yuppie activities in the East End In late 80’s. Remember Lofty’s yuppie flat on the Isle of Dogs? It’s really a kind of stuntism, that is to say, building a culture of jostling the middle classes in the street and making them fell generally unwelcome. The outcome: gated estates for the bright young things.

*looks around shiftily*

Yep. That's pretty much what happened round here. grin

Quote:
Organisations thrive on an “outside-in” philosophy. To generate action, identify the demands of your customers, visualise the outcomes those demands imply and then design and implement business processes made up of tasks that only contribute to the production of that outcome. So the question is, comrade, what is it you’re after? What transactions do you envisage undertaking with your target segment of the working class?

Christ, that sounds like what I do for a living. Although if i'd have written it, I'd have used the phrases "outcomes-led" and "results-based accountability" neutral

14 March, 2008 - 19:37

Blud's a gaylord then innit.

14 March, 2008 - 19:45

cool

14 March, 2008 - 21:23

I think it's a dead-end, tbh.

14 March, 2008 - 22:13

Thing is, in the East End at least, there are two senses of gentrification: -

i) "yuppies" (who I defy anyone to consistently fit into any meaningful class analysis, but that's another question) buying up existiing properties: i.e. flats and houses, and

ii) "yuppies" moving into converted properties, such as warehouses, etc -- which weren't residential to start with, and which wouldn't have been developed as living spaces had the people who potentially might buy them not existed in the first place.

It seems to me that scenario (i) is more worthy of opposition than type (ii), unless you adopt a pure "class hatred"-type analysis, which, tbh, I can't see as being particularly sustainable. Not least since it's not entirely clear what the class differential might be unless you do it on grounds of income. Which is basically fucked. "Bash the rich," anyone? smile

14 March, 2008 - 22:32
Quote:
it's not entirely clear what the class differential might be unless you do it on grounds of income. Which is basically fucked.

Oh no it's not. Income’s a really good way of doing it, especially when the gap between rich and poor is growing as it is. Some people clean toilets and some people use PowerPoint as an instrument of torture. I bet I know who’s got the yuppie flat. Blud. Besides, looking for a class differential like that is tantamount to seeking out an aggressor-victim arrangement to justify a campaign-model course of action. Like the working class are some kind of disadvantaged indigenous people. It’s not like that at all.

14 March, 2008 - 23:54

The thing with people buying up properties in a given area, there's not actually much you can do about it. If an area is ripe for gentrification, it's mainly because it has the sort of properties that interest the aspiring types and they are considerably cheaper than their equivalents elsewhere.
You can argue for any new places built to be a higher proportion of social housing, and that the services needed for the area are maintained. The other alternative, as hinted at by Lazy Riser, is to try and make the area unattractive, but this then also hits the poorer people living there.

Regards,

Martin

15 March, 2008 - 00:07
Carousel wrote:
I bet I know who’s got the yuppie flat. Blud.

Oh yeah. cool

Quote:
Besides, looking for a class differential like that is tantamount to seeking out an aggressor-victim arrangement to justify a campaign-model course of action. Like the working class are some kind of disadvantaged indigenous people. It’s not like that at all.

Quite. Show me an "anti-gentrification" "campaign" that isn't "organised" on that basis. Other than some Class War types feeling vicarious injury on behalf of the disadvantaged natives, of couse.

15 March, 2008 - 00:57

Yeah. Fair play.

15 March, 2008 - 17:37

Hey october_lost,

Kevin Keating recently wrote a critical examination of his own efforts along these lines in San Francisco ten years ago. It's here:

http://www.infoshop/myep_criticism.html

The anti-car stuff seems like it might resonate in a negative way against the posh car crowd.

Good luck with your efforts.

15 March, 2008 - 22:13

October Lost: I was involved with Hackney Independent for a while, and based on that experience I don't think there's much that can be done. Certainly not around 'gentrification' as an issue in itself.

16 March, 2008 - 01:42
martinh wrote:
The thing with people buying up properties in a given area, there's not actually much you can do about it. If an area is ripe for gentrification, it's mainly because it has the sort of properties that interest the aspiring types and they are considerably cheaper than their equivalents elsewhere.
You can argue for any new places built to be a higher proportion of social housing, and that the services needed for the area are maintained. The other alternative, as hinted at by Lazy Riser, is to try and make the area unattractive, but this then also hits the poorer people living there.

Regards,

Martin

Pretty much spot on. A riot helps though, broadwater farm kept property prices in Tottenham down for years. Sadly people have realised it's safe and that it has some of the best transport links in north London and now prices have rocketed. I'll never be able to afford to live there once my mum sells up sad

17 March, 2008 - 08:42
catch wrote:
October Lost: I was involved with Hackney Independent for a while, and based on that experience I don't think there's much that can be done. Certainly not around 'gentrification' as an issue in itself.

I think its going to be an issue of campaigning around social housing, especially with CH in the area I think were hoping of supporting residency groups trying to stop aggressive take-overs, like were seeing due to the olympics. Its early days, and we will see how far we can take it.

Thanks stot for the article, for some reson you dont accept PMs.

17 March, 2008 - 10:34
october_lost wrote:
Thanks stot for the article, for some reson you dont accept PMs.

stot is Kevin Keating and has been banned.

18 March, 2008 - 11:58

There is usually quite a lot that can be done around planning issues, but it requires a lot of work and often building alliances with folks you rather not have to work with. Basically getting the community's opinions about what they want to see is the best way to start. Don't assume they will necessairly be close to yours. Looking at ways to influence the council planning process and engaging people in the process. Have a look at creeksideforum.wordpress.com (despite what it says we have not dissloved)
I think it is a difficult issue to organise around in the manner we are used to acting. Beyond creating propaganda and finding a lot of people hate better off newcomers channeling this discontent into meaningful resistance is a long and problematic process.