Collaborators Needed for Outward Looking Film/Series

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Jan 23 2009 16:32
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- How to explain the production of surplus value, product of labour power, the ‘secret’ of capital?
- The book, Ragged Trousered Philanthropists contains a scene (‘The Money Trick’) which attempts this: it’s been performed on stage many times (and filmed for TV). Get a copy? Stage our own ‘re-enactment’?

From the film of B. Traven's novel;
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=boUD5eG9Bf4&feature=related
(There's probably several usable clips from that film.)

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Jan 24 2009 14:49

Apologies for recent lack of input (unexpected if welcome work come in). For the same reason, been unable to view all suggested links though many look most useful/usable.

Appreciate that my own 'framework' was too focussed on the aspect of capitalism's crisis - something I would still like to see realised, but that's my mishegias/obsession - and agree, in line with the already completed introduction, that the approach "should contain approximately equal amounts of theory, history and current working class struggles" (no 1's contribution, above).

To that end, while I'm (of course) not in favour of 'jargon' or 'historical baggage', part of the 'problem' today is precisely that the working class's own history has been hidden/distorted. Another problem is that potential contributors probably have rather different views on what exactly are the lessons of past workers' struggles (Russian revolution, Spanish events, etc).

Also the problem of how to 'pitch' things: it's tempting to address potential viewers at the level of 'where they are today'. But surely, if things are to change, we need to have confidence that material reality changes the way 'people' (classes') think: the current crisis being a prime example. The oppressed, at certain moments, under certain conditions, have 'raised their game'. This project should aim to raise sights, not lower them.

But such considerations are no reason for paralysis. It's difficult (!) to make anything by committee and I think jesuithitsquad's actual, produced effort and initiative mark him out as a 'driver' on this project (sorry!)

So: how, concretely to proceed? It seems the 5-10 minute 'modular' format has found favour. Sorry to bang on about frameworks (outlines, whatever), but I feel it's important in order that any sub-division of 'episodes' work in some sort of common framework. Anyone up for suggesting another one to which individual contributors might adhere/commit?

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Jan 24 2009 16:07

Watching for the second time, well done bit of work. The idea sounds promising and it could be simple to spread it around with embedding and linking

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Jan 29 2009 01:22

so for those wanting to do something here's my idea. i'm thinking of tying the whole thing together with a "man on the street" q & a thing. the idea would be to ask the same questions of people in as many places as possible. ideally, we would get similar answers and this could help reinforce the internationalist approach. first, input with questions would be helpful. tsi and i have come up with a few, but i'd really like as much input as possible. the key is having few enough questions so people don't tell you to fuck off in the middle of the interview. i have generic appearance release forms which should clear us of any borat style lawsuits.

who has or can borrow (or buy on credit and return!!!) a dv cam?

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Jan 31 2009 21:20

Good things about stills and footage is it saves having to get equipment and it means we don't have to rely on our acting skills.
I've got reasonably high quality pictures of a few french demos from last year that I could send you if you wanted.
Might be worth setting up a gmail account and giving the contributors the password, you can use the account to receive content and also store it with google docs.

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Feb 2 2009 19:23

excellent ideas jef. sent you a pm.

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Feb 2 2009 19:27

going along with what jef mentioned, perhaps if you don't have access to a dv cam, an audio recording of the "man on the street" thing could work with or without stills.

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Feb 2 2009 20:18

I might be able to get a dv camera...

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Feb 2 2009 20:39

tarwater--pm me.

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Feb 24 2009 15:34

Hello I'm new to this board but I have been thinking of making a film about this topic for a while. I have a DV Cam ready to be used and would like to be involved and offer my help in any way I can, perhaps as a cameraman...

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Feb 25 2009 04:37

awesome! sent you a pm. welcome to the boards.

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Feb 25 2009 09:46

Since you're going to combine footage taken in many different places, I was wondering how you want to deal with the different video formats used, esp. PAL (used in Europe) and NTSC (US and Japan)? Also progressive vs interlaced, DV vs HDTV? Also, how do you want to transfer the footage? And to be truly internationalist, it would be nice to have interviews in languages other than English, which would require translations and subtitles.

I'd like to suggest that people taking part in this transcode their footage to MPEG2 (high quality but much smaller files than raw DV) with agreed on resolution and framerate etc., and upload the files to http://www.ourmedia.org/ (apparently unlimited space) under an appropriate copyleft license. That way it's quite easy to share the footage, and others can re-use it for their own projects.

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Feb 25 2009 10:53

Hello,

As you've touched upon, jesuithitsquad, a libertarian clarification of proletariat events is desperately needed; just this week, I had that same Kronstadt conversation.

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Feb 25 2009 23:40
no1 wrote:
Since you're going to combine footage taken in many different places, I was wondering how you want to deal with the different video formats used, esp. PAL (used in Europe) and NTSC (US and Japan)? Also progressive vs interlaced, DV vs HDTV? Also, how do you want to transfer the footage? And to be truly internationalist, it would be nice to have interviews in languages other than English, which would require translations and subtitles.

I'd like to suggest that people taking part in this transcode their footage to MPEG2 (high quality but much smaller files than raw DV) with agreed on resolution and framerate etc., and upload the files to http://www.ourmedia.org/ (apparently unlimited space) under an appropriate copyleft license. That way it's quite easy to share the footage, and others can re-use it for their own projects.

Excellent points. I agree re: MPEG2 though there are a lot of variables involved so it might get a little sloppy here and there. If we run into this we 'll figure something else out.

I can convert PAL to NTSC and back if we wanted DVDs at the end. I haven't done the conversion myself but my understanding is it's not a hard thing just time consuming.

I'm not sure we'll run into much HD footage but if so Final Cut Pro makes those conversions automatically.

I didn't get a chance to check out ourmedia but it sounds perfect for the project.

And yes, yes, yes as many interviews in languages other than English as possible.

Translators please. . .

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Feb 26 2009 11:38

I will pick out those photos for you tonight JW if I get the chacne and I can translate from french although it will take me a while.