Colombian police attack Mayday demo - 15 y/o anarchist dead

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Lazlo_Woodbine
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May 19 2005 13:26

BINGO! Mr. T

Are you quite tall?

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May 19 2005 13:44
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
BINGO! Mr. T

Are you quite tall?

Yeah he is. And he's the only person I've met who "guffaws" wink

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May 19 2005 13:50

Funny you should mention that but I seem to recall Laz had quite a guffaw on him too.

So Laz, where do your politics differ from the AF's? I thought you were a primmo which as far as i know is incompatible with supporting libertarian communism, but you said you were broadly in agreement with us. confused

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May 19 2005 13:51

and hang on a minute...you had a wobbly badge on as well! confused confused

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May 19 2005 13:54
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and hang on a minute...you had a wobbly badge on as well! confused confused

It does happen, AF/IWW...

š < it works, woo hoo, alt tab + 0666.

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May 19 2005 14:20

I didn't mean that. I know some AF members are also in the IWW. I don't see how a primitivist can also be an indusrial unionist though! Either there's something I don't understand here or i've had the wrong idea about Laz.

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May 19 2005 14:56

<guffaws>

The main bit where I'm in disagreemwnt with the AF's where we stand thing is where it mentions ecological destruction in a sentence listing things used to divide the working class. I'd argue that ecocide is an integral part of industrial society, not just a capitalist ruling class tactic. None of the AF's other points seem to touch on issues of ecology/civilsiation, etc. although I'd argue that patriarchy is also a system in its own right that is not simply created by capitalism.

And 'industrial unionism' means organising across and 'industry', not a trade or craft -- it doesn't mean supporting industrial methods of production. I've not been in a town with an active IWW group during my membership, but Judy Barie was a US Earth First!/IWW activist who fought the logging companies's destruction in the Pacific North-West while also orgnaising manong the logging workers -- that's the way to do it.

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May 19 2005 15:50
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Anything happened?

p.s. the afed links not working.

Yes - it was not a bad demo, just got back.

5 of us went into the Consultate right at the start, leafletted staff and visitors (of which there were hardly any) then left the building.

A good 20-25 people turned out in total, with black flags and a banner condemning Nicolas' murder. Passers by and visitors were leafletted for about 2 hours, raising the issue.

I made it as far as the phone an fax machine.

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May 19 2005 15:50
PaulMarsh wrote:
Brighton Bomber wrote:
Anything happened?

p.s. the afed links not working.

Yes - it was not a bad demo, just got back.

5 of us went into the Consultate right at the start, leafletted staff and visitors (of which there were hardly any) then left the building.

A good 20-25 people turned out in total, with black flags and a banner condemning Nicolas' murder. Passers by and visitors were leafletted for about 2 hours, raising the issue.

I made it as far as the phone an fax machine.

Edit. Echo.

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May 19 2005 15:57
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
<guffaws>

The main bit where I'm in disagreemwnt with the AF's where we stand thing is where it mentions ecological destruction in a sentence listing things used to divide the working class. I'd argue that ecocide is an integral part of industrial society, not just a capitalist ruling class tactic. None of the AF's other points seem to touch on issues of ecology/civilsiation, etc. although I'd argue that patriarchy is also a system in its own right that is not simply created by capitalism.

And 'industrial unionism' means organising across and 'industry', not a trade or craft -- it doesn't mean supporting industrial methods of production. I've not been in a town with an active IWW group during my membership, but Judy Barie was a US Earth First!/IWW activist who fought the logging companies's destruction in the Pacific North-West while also orgnaising manong the logging workers -- that's the way to do it.

OK, fair enough. I don't think those points are particularly well written. Or the aims and principles in general for that matter.

And Judi Barri must have been doing something right seeing as the FBI decided to blow her up. But if you're following her example you're taking quite a different line from the primmo plonkers that used to post on these boards and thought we could all live happily on road kill or windfalls and the CNT and Kropotkin were little better than capitalist factory owners.

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May 19 2005 16:05
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you're taking quite a different line from the primmo plonkers that used to post on these boards and thought we could all live happily on road kill or windfalls and the CNT and Kropotkin were little better than capitalist factory owners.

I'm the acceptable face of anarcho-primitivism. black bloc

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May 19 2005 17:28

Laz- a shame i didn't come to the action as id like to meet you as well.

Could you start a thread on the issues you've just raised plese? i'd like to discuss them

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May 20 2005 08:11
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:

I'm the acceptable face of anarcho-primitivism. black bloc

OK, so as you otherwise appear sane could you explain the primitivism bit?

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May 20 2005 09:55
nastyned wrote:
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
I'm the acceptable face of anarcho-primitivism.

OK, so as you otherwise appear sane could you explain the primitivism bit?

The term 'primitivism' is a bit of a mis-nomer, since there's only a 'primitive' if you think there's an 'advanced'. I don't want to see a system of social reproduction that involves patriarchy, wage labour, bureaucracy, industrial production, animal abuse, etc., and I think all of those factors can exist independently of 'capitalism', so I'd describe muself as being broadly against 'civilisation', and I see the path towards an affluent society in being less work, more play, and accepting the limits of what our planet can support, rather than some kind of communist technological utopia, based on the same old 'progressive' ideas that basically involve trying tosubjugate the rest of the plante into resouces to be consumed.

Also I don't like to see primmies getting bullied, since many of the dumpster-diving darlings are actually nice people who've just got a strange idea about how social change happens 8)

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May 20 2005 10:19

i thought you just called yourself a primitivist in order to piss off jack and revol68 everytime they find themselves agreeing with you...

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May 20 2005 10:23

Well, there is that, too Mr. T

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May 20 2005 14:07
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
I don't want to see a system of social reproduction that involves patriarchy, wage labour, bureaucracy, industrial production, animal abuse, etc.,

Which a lot of anarchist communists would agree with. Yet you then go on...

Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:

so I'd describe muself as being broadly against 'civilisation'

confused Surely the anti-civilisation types want to get rid of all technology and go back to a hunter-gatherer society, which you haven't mentioned at all. I don't really see how you're being a primitivist. Or are you just hiding the madder bits of your thought? wink

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May 20 2005 14:45

and just to change the subject - can anyone remember the name of the pub and the street it was on - one of my mates thinks he left his bag there.

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May 20 2005 14:50
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Surely the anti-civilisation types want to get rid of all technology and go back to a hunter-gatherer society, which you haven't mentioned at all. I don't really see how you're being a primitivist. Or are you just hiding the madder bits of your thought?

Shit! Errr... Errr....

I think even the more extreme anti-civ types usually just restrain themselves to a critique of industrial/technological society and use the antrhopological thesis of 'primitive affluence' as an inspiration, rather than wanting to do away with technology and move to a foraging society.

There was that guy username who kept banging on about decreasing the population, of course...

I'd say that a lot of technology is *specifically* alienating, not just because of the 'way' it's used by the powers that be -- back in the day simply believing in that was enough to qualify one as a primitivist. Jeez it's hard to be a primmie these days...

DOWN WITH AGRICULTURE!

WE HAVE FOUND NEW HOMES FOR THE SCIENTIFIC-MEDICAL ELITE!

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May 20 2005 15:18

There is a report, pictures and a short bit of video of the Irish demo noow online. We had two arrests - the consul was in a super posh neighboorhood (ruling class rather then middle class) so we had cops all over us in minutes.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=69905

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May 20 2005 15:31

Kudos to the Irish lot!

Damn our restrained English lefty manner of protesting!

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Mar 12 2009 11:53

Next time there is a protest against the Colombian state I suggest one at the colombian consulate in London, its also next to the chinese embassy so two protests for the price of one.