Design for anarchists

Submitted by Stripey on 7 January, 2008 - 04:45.

I don't know if this is the right forum for this. Where does design go? I reckon terrible design can thwart organizing.

Anyways I made a list of do's and don't for anarchists doing page layout for the local collective or affinity group or whatever...

http://stripeygwen.blogspot.com/2008/01/anarchist-politics-in-print-or-how-to.html

Let me know what you think. Got any others?

7 January, 2008 - 09:08

this forum is fine, cheers.

7 January, 2008 - 09:51

And after saying all of that your blog still looks like a vagina.

7 January, 2008 - 11:02

No need to bitch guy there’s nothing especially wrong with it.

Stripey, there’s a few people on this forum with design experience, the form tends to be that people stick up their efforts and we gently (well, maybe not in Guy’s case, personally I put this down to the generally pugnacious attitude of our Irish comrades on here, which seems to have rubbed off wink) take them apart and suggest how to put them back together again.

7 January, 2008 - 11:05

I can be gentle. Just like, if you're posting the do's and donts of anarchist design and your blog is hideous you're kind of asking for it.

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Do use red and black as much as possible.
Reason: It shows your political purity.

laugh out loud

7 January, 2008 - 11:18

I’m not sure if the quest for good design can be reconciled with anarchists’ conventional “critique of cosmetic culture”. Anyway, manipulating the viewer’s emotions using good graphic design isn’t going to bridge the crevasse between anarchism and wider public values. What outcome, what call to action, is it expected to generate? More lobbying of MPs and bureaucrats? Perhaps they’d like to start a NPF style “Big Conversation”. Ha ha. Ha ha ha.

7 January, 2008 - 11:24

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7 January, 2008 - 11:34

the thing is a joke ffs.

7 January, 2008 - 12:05

I seriously can't belive that so many people didn't realise it was humor...

7 January, 2008 - 12:10
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I seriously can't belive that so many people didn't realise it was humor...

How many exactly? 1? Tell us, what criteria did you use to count 'em? Your imagination I bet.

7 January, 2008 - 12:40

better to see people talking about design than just plodding on with it in silence.

Though i dont know what the fuck is wrong with anarchists in this country that none of them are graphic designers sad

7 January, 2008 - 12:51

Just an uncreative bunch I guess.

7 January, 2008 - 12:52
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Though i dont know what the fuck is wrong with anarchists in this country that none of them are graphic designers

Or ship builders. Or coal miners. You think anarchism would do better if it had a pretty picture on the pack? If people are that easily manipulated, it rather defeats the object of the exercise. Applying graphic design to anarchism is a bit like sprinkling talcum powder on dog shit.

7 January, 2008 - 12:59

I'd still rather have the dry dogshit though - easier to pick up, and doesn't stink so much.

7 January, 2008 - 13:02
rkn wrote:
Though i dont know what the fuck is wrong with anarchists in this country that none of them are graphic designers :(

I'd suspect there's one or two knocking around the ex-wombles, social centres, etc. end of things judging by some of their output.

7 January, 2008 - 13:03
Carousel wrote:
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Though i dont know what the fuck is wrong with anarchists in this country that none of them are graphic designers

Or ship builders. Or coal miners. You think anarchism would do better if it had a pretty picture on the pack? If people are that easily manipulated, it rather defeats the object of the exercise. Applying graphic design to anarchism is a bit like sprinkling talcum powder on dog shit.

How do you expect people to understand or even want to understand your ideas if they're not well presented, saying things shouldnt be well designed is on a par with saying they shouldnt be well written. If we want our ideas to win they have to be put across in a way that will grab people.

7 January, 2008 - 13:14

Good design takes advantage of human weakness - the way symbols play on the subconscious - not to mention cynically exploiting the fact that 80% of us are simple folks who need to be lead by putting pictures in our heads. Consequently, the whole field is ideologically anachronistic. Anarchists are a bit like trainspotters, they’re not wired like mainstream society and have a different take on its symbolic language.

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If we want our ideas to win they have to be put across in a way that will grab people.

Ideological positioning, certainly anarchist positioning, won’t grab people regardless of the skin you wrap it in. If it was that easy, it would simply be a matter of paying people for the opportunity to “convince” them.

7 January, 2008 - 13:18

You're a cock.

7 January, 2008 - 13:22
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If we want our ideas to win they have to be put across in a way that will grab people.

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You're a cock.

Autocritique.

7 January, 2008 - 13:24

My goal is not to convince you of anything though comrade. You don't even get the importance of aesthetics roll eyes

carousel wrote:
"Revolutionaries" are the bourgeoisie.

grin

7 January, 2008 - 13:34

Lazy’s a follower of the Ian Bone school of publication (ie. say what people want to hear and design can go hang) – which is good, as far as it goes, but Bone is as much an image salesman as any graphic designer, and fact is that as much as he said what people want to hear in Class War, he also sold it, pics of injured cops, Thatcher with an axe through her head etc.

Graphic design isn’t separate from putting forward ideas, it’s simply another tool for getting people’s attention. Of course it’s no substitute for good content, but that’s a different argument.

7 January, 2008 - 13:36
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You don't even get the importance of aesthetics.

I accept their importance, but remain suspicious of these “winning ideas”. Aesthetics, here, are part of the field of organisational design. The question is really what are you trying to make happen? Or, put another way, to map the business processes this organisation undertakes. When that’s done, when the meaning, content and character of the venture is set out, then the graphic design can bought off the shelf for a few hundred quid.

7 January, 2008 - 13:46

Well yes it can be, but it really depends on what startup support you’re getting. If, for example, you’re a six-person crew trying to put out something small (eg. a pamphlet), you can’t expect significant grant funding (and you’re not getting your money back so a loan would be foolish), and most available funding would presumably be needed for the print run.

As such, shelling out £200 for a good bit of design to make it attractive work is a poor use of available capital, particularly if you can do it yourself for free. In the absence of a charismatic marketing brain in this six-person crew to supersede the necessity for good design, they could do worse than run their work past people who know about it, on Libcom or elsewhere.

7 January, 2008 - 13:46
guydebordisdead wrote:
rkn wrote:
Though i dont know what the fuck is wrong with anarchists in this country that none of them are graphic designers :(

I'd suspect there's one or two knocking around the ex-wombles, social centres, etc. end of things judging by some of their output.

Yeah AFAIK there's one

7 January, 2008 - 13:46
rkn wrote:
better to see people talking about design than just plodding on with it in silence.

Though i dont know what the fuck is wrong with anarchists in this country that none of them are graphic designers :(

i can think of at least three

7 January, 2008 - 13:57

Actually it'd be useful to have a database of people with those kinds of skills who can do one-offs every so often...

7 January, 2008 - 14:00

I'd really like to hear from the guy who does prole.info on this topic. You can't read his pamphlets and deny that design can be equally as important as the text.

7 January, 2008 - 15:34
guydebordisdead wrote:
And after saying all of that your blog still looks like a vagina.

I don't know about you but my vagina is actually much prettier.

(I just used a template out of the box, no customization.)

7 January, 2008 - 15:38

Design isn't just about style, that's the problem. People seem to think design is just about making stuff look pretty.

It's also about structure, how objects on the page relate to each other and what they do.

7 January, 2008 - 15:44

You a wobbly btw? Could you shout at them about the Industrial Worker cos they don’t seem to listen to me sad

7 January, 2008 - 15:46
Stripey wrote:
(I just used a template out of the box, no customization.)

For your vagina or your blog?