Gender ratios in the anarchist movement

Submitted by Jack on 26 October, 2006 - 17:55.

-Is it a problem?
-What can be done?
-What groups have it better and what do they do?
-How does it compare to other 'oppressed groups'?

Revol, since you've made your answers to this obvious, and seem to have no desire to advance beyond your repeatedly asserted point, I'm going to delete any post you make on this thread. Withour reading it. So don't bother, please.

26 October, 2006 - 20:18

OK, I'll get the ball rolling.

The first anarchist group I was involved in was Colchester Anarchist/Solidarity group. I can't remember how many members we had... 6 or 7? A very small group, with me and one other girl (I wonder who that could be). I feel that I can't make generalisations form this group as it was really just a small group of friends. We didn't have a problem with recruiting women as such, we just had a problem with recruitment because of where we were based.

I'm now starting to get involved with the anarchist group at my university, and we've just had a 3 hour meeting about sexism. Gender ratios vary from meeting to meeting (you know what anarchists are like at turning up to meetings), but I'd say about a third to a half of the group is female. There is a problem with men dominating conversation, which the group is trying to tackle. I'm also part of a woman-only anarcha group at my university, where we discuss this sort of thing quite alot, and has given me an idea about the anarchist group. Basically some of the women would go as far as to say that the anarchist group is "sexist and patriarchal". Don't know if i agree yet as I've only been to a few meetings.

As for other oppressed groups, CAG was all-white (but then so is North Essex, pretty much), not sure about the university group - its difficult to tell if someone counts as an "ethnic minority" or just looks a little bit foreign, and tbh I haven't thought about it. There aren't any people with disabilities in any of the groups I've been in, tho I don't actually know how common disability is in society. Homos and, especially bisexuals, are well-represented.

What can be done?
*We need to recognise the appeal that feminism has for women. ALOT of women get interested in politics through feminism because it seems most relevant to their everyday lives. Rejecting feminism and ridiculing any part of it is not really agood idea. Not saying we shouldn't argue against liberal and radical feminism, we should, but it needs to be done in a constructive way to not scare women off. There's a stigma attached to feminism, esp. for class stuggle anarchists. This isn't exactly a bad thing, but explaining your position if far more constructive than trying to ridicule someone out of having feminist beliefs. I had some embaressing-to-look-back-on gender politics for some time and other anarchists were always more ready to ridicule me for it rather than point out that the working class will bring out the revolution, and illustrate the point with historical materialism.

*The violent reputation of anarchism e.g. black blocks probably doesn't help in its appeal to women. We can combat this through building the libertarian communist tendency of workplace and community action. I think this would probably appeal to women more.

*There's probably an element of a self-fulfilling prophecy - not many women are involved, so it seems less attractive to other women.

*Women generally have more respnsibilities than men - i.e. housework and childcare on top of work outside the home. Perhaps alot of women just lack the time to indulge in reading theory and take part in pointless actions. Again the libertarian communist ideal of making changes to our real lives should ahve more appeal.

*Ooooh I guess I can say it on this thread. Certain male anarchists who make very hostile, counter-productive and agressive posts on anarchist internet forums, particularly in response to posts about feminism. (see my first point)

*Women are socialised to have less confidence in their opinions and beliefs, which can be a problem when discussing theory as it can be intimidating. This could be combatted simply by easing newcomers into discussions, offering to explain jargon etc. (not waiting to be asked to explain). You can end up accidently patronising someone, but if you've got any social skills you can tell when someone doesn't understand what you're talking about.

Most of these could apply to men as well, ijust to women more. It ties in with the whole issue of anarchism engaging with the working class.

I'm just a young'un, there are women who have been involved in anarchsim for much longer than me, and I'd be really interested to hear what they had to say.

26 October, 2006 - 20:34

Hi

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Is it a problem?

It depends on whether or not one thinks the anarchist movement is for the working class or against it. And I don't mean in the transcendental sense either.

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What can be done?

Change its political proposals to ones that better addresses the everyday lives of women. Which women, will depend on one’s answer to the first question.

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What groups have it better and what do they do?

I think the correct maleness of a group is about 48%. Male separatists deviate from the ideal by 52%, Female separatists by 48%. Female only groups are therefore only 4% better than male groups.

Sheila’s Wheels does a cracking job by offering cheap motor insurance to women. The question is, is emulating their example ethical even though it would result in higher female participation. I imagine most anarchist men would think it was a reasonable payoff. They might walk home alone, but their faith in love is still devout.

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How does it compare to other 'oppressed groups'?

I’d say well enough. The last thing oppressed groups want is for Anarchists to get involved anyway. They’re the kiss of death.

Love

LR

26 October, 2006 - 20:39
Jess wrote:
As for other oppressed groups, CAG was all-white (but then so is North Essex, pretty much), not sure about the university group - its difficult to tell if someone counts as an "ethnic minority" or just looks a little bit foreign, and tbh I haven't thought about it. There aren't any people with disabilities in any of the groups I've been in, tho I don't actually know how common disability is in society. Homos and, especially bisexuals, are well-represented.

Yea my feeling is that apart from women, the 'anarchist (and socialists in general) movement' are actually really good at other oppressions. Certainly LGB (I'd guess the non-hetero % of the anarchist movement is far, far higher than the 3-ten % (fucking one key is broken. angry) that it supposedly is in wider society), and I think if looked at statistically figures for non-whites are probably pretty good too - although this might be somewhat skewed by internationals who came to anarchism in their home countries, and then joined an organisation here, I'm not sure.

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There's a stigma attached to feminism, esp. for class stuggle anarchists. This isn't exactly a bad thing, but explaining your position if far more constructive than trying to ridicule someone out of having feminist beliefs. I had some embaressing-to-look-back-on gender politics for some time and other anarchists were always more ready to ridicule me for it rather than point out that the working class will bring out the revolution, and illustrate the point with dialectical materialism.

Hahaha, dialectical materialism. grin

But being serious, I think there is something in behind the 'stigma' against feminism. I mean I think that most 'feminists politics' is a hinderance to the goal of womens liberation - just as I think most 'socialist politics' or 'anarchist politics' are a hinderance to the building of communism. Do you think the 'stigma' of feminism is any worse than that directed at forms of socialism we're hostile to?

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*The violent reputation of anarchism e.g. black blocks probably doesn't help in its appeal to women. We can combat this through building the libertarian communist tendency of workplace and community action. I think this would probably appeal to women more.

Hm, I dunno about this - I mean I'd hope most people who became communists didn't do it 'cause they got a boner for violence, and are womens really much more "anti-violence" than men? I mean, if you mean it as "women are more likely to do stuff that's useful, rather than pointless macho posturing", then I'd totally agree, but not if it's more along the lines of "men are more naturally violent (exclamation mark should go here, fucking broken one key)

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*Ooooh I guess I can say it on this thread. Certain male anarchists who make very hostile, counter-productive and agressive posts on anarchist internet forums, particularly in response to posts about feminism. (see my first point)

Don't actually agree with this, but probably not for this thread...

26 October, 2006 - 20:47

good post jess, lots to discuss. on men dominating, that's the roles stuff again which affects all of us, though is often fairly easy to overcome in libertarian groups if people are open minded ('Though all roles alienate equally, some are more vulnerable than others. It is easier to escape the role of a libertine than the role of a cop', Vaneigem). As revol said elsewhere, libertarian groups are often a lot less sexist/racist than others to start with, not least because those drawn to them are usually horrified to discover e.g. their latent patriarchy and are only too willing to address it. the usual formal structures against the tyranny of structurelessness apply too, as you know.

The self-fulfilling prophecy stuff also makes sense, and tallies with something JDMF said about sweden where increased female participation increased the prominence of female issues (thats for you LR wink), which further increased female participation. its a case of finding the tipping point and turning negative feedback into positive feedback (and that applies more generally to connecting 'politics' to everyday life too). I also agree the black block image appeals to a certain demographic, as i'm sure our resident former black blockers will testify, and the lib com approach to organising should more easily avoid such pitfalls (specifically e.g. the recent red/black block on the anti-war march in manc as opposed to a masked-up black bloc).

i'll have a think about the other stuff, i have a problem with 'representative' politics ("homos well represented") like affirmative action etc, but i don't think that extends to the composition of groups that aren't hierarchical apparatuses of power, so i don't think that critique applies here. i'll have a think.

26 October, 2006 - 20:51
Jess wrote:
*There's probably an element of a self-fulfilling prophecy - not many women are involved, so it seems less attractive to other women.

this is the biggie IMO. Bigger involved from women lead to changes in the propaganda that we put out, in the language we use, campaign priorities, strategies and so on. I dont think this is a man/woman split, and i think via these changes you would also attract men to become involved who were previously put off by certain kind of approaches (someone called it a geeky bookclub approach for instance).

26 October, 2006 - 20:52

To play devils advocate for a bit here - the libcom group basically fits the same demographic as most anarcho groups (statistically quite good racial mix, very good sexuality mix, but only ten% female). And we aren't into wanking over violence...

26 October, 2006 - 20:52
Jack wrote:

But being serious, I think there is something in behind the 'stigma' against feminism. I mean I think that most 'feminists politics' is a hinderance to the goal of womens liberation - just as I think most 'socialist politics' or 'anarchist politics' are a hinderance to the building of communism. Do you think the 'stigma' of feminism is any worse than that directed at forms of socialism we're hostile to?

Jess wrote:
Not saying we shouldn't argue against liberal and radical feminism, we should, but it needs to be done in a constructive way to not scare women off.

wink
Women might have a more 'personal' connection with feminism, so needs treating with more delicacy than, say, state socialism. If we could calmly explain why feminism is meaningless within capitalism, instead of just making a joke out of soemthing likely to be held close ot womens hearts, then thats brilliant.

Jack wrote:
Hm, I dunno about this - I mean I'd hope most people who became communists didn't do it 'cause they got a boner for violence, and are womens really much more "anti-violence" than men? I mean, if you mean it as "women are more likely to do stuff that's useful, rather than pointless macho posturing", then I'd totally agree, but not if it's more along the lines of "men are more naturally violent (exclamation mark should go here, fucking broken one key)

Obviously I don't beleive theres any biological reason, but boys are socialised to enjoy violence and girls aren't, right?

Jess wrote:
*Ooooh I guess I can say it on this thread. Certain male anarchists who make very hostile, counter-productive and agressive posts on anarchist internet forums, particularly in response to posts about feminism. (see my first point)

Jack wrote:
Don't actually agree with this, but probably not for this thread...

Actually I don't really think thats a gender issue either, everyone thinks he's a prick.

26 October, 2006 - 20:58
Jack wrote:
To play devils advocate for a bit here - the libcom group basically fits the same demographic as most anarcho groups (statistically quite good racial mix, very good sexuality mix, but only ten% female). And we aren't into wanking over violence...

I don't know how afir it is to analyse ratios in small groups, more chance of it being co-incedence. But yeah, seems to fit in with other anarchist ratios which is interesting.... is there any easy way of finding out the gender ratio of the libcom forums?

26 October, 2006 - 20:58
Jess wrote:
Women might have a more 'personal' connection with feminism, so needs treating with more delicacy than, say, state socialism. If we could calmly explain why feminism is meaningless within capitalism, instead of just making a joke out of soemthing likely to be held close ot womens hearts, then thats brilliant.

Hm, more so than a guy who was brought up with/came to state socialism? I mean there's no many more women who are into feminism than men who are into state-socialism, no? (I'm aware I'm doing a very crappy split between 'women like feminism, men like state-socialism here, but I'm meaning it to be illustrative..

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Obviously I don't beleive theres any biological reason, but boys are socialised to enjoy violence and girls aren't, right?

True enough, hm, I'm still somewhat suspicious of it. Even if it is a factor, I think it's a pretty minor one. And one us libcom types have overcome, anyway. wink

26 October, 2006 - 20:59

Hi

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And we aren't into wanking over violence...

Maybe that's what puts them off. Chicks love bad guys.

Love

LR

26 October, 2006 - 20:59

Okay my experince has been that normally there has been a gender imbalance but in the WSM recently this has been getting farcical of 37 members 5 are female.

Jess wrote:
its difficult to tell if someone counts as an "ethnic minority" or just looks a little bit foreign

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We need to recognise the appeal that feminism has for women. ALOT of women get interested in politics through feminism because it seems most relevant to their everyday lives. Rejecting feminism and ridiculing any part of it is not really agood idea. Not saying we shouldn't argue against liberal and radical feminism, we should, but it needs to be done in a constructive way to not scare women off. There's a stigma attached to feminism, esp. for class stuggle anarchists.

Yeah i agree with this but I'd be careful using terms like 'recognise the appeal' of feminism and say we need to engage with feminism and feminist issues and topics. I say this because I think one of the problems is that womens liberation and anti-sexism are often topics that people think should be left to the feminists/women.

As has been pointed out many men don't feel comfortable talking about anti-sexism - going from talking about body image to talking about rape to talking about the role of domestic labour in the circulation of capital. What we need to do is to engage with this issues and not simply recognise the appeal of them.

To revol's credit he is willing to do this. Like at the revolutionary womens dayschool in dublin. Some men said I'm not going to speak, I'm going to let women speak, or at the very least held back from saying what they thought. I think this is condescending and really gets us nowhere. Revol to his credit was one of the few men actually willing to go 'no i disagree with what you're saying'. (He actually is much more respectful in real life). And I think that's what we need to do point out our disagreements and engage.

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*The violent reputation of anarchism e.g. black blocks probably doesn't help in its appeal to women.

I've heard this said a few times but I don't know if its true. I mean my experience of black blocs (never been in one mind) has been that they don't have a bad gender ratio. Could be wrong though. Agree with you that

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community action. I think this would probably appeal to women more

I think this could be true. Community groups as far as I know generally have pretty bad gender ratios going the other way.

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*There's probably an element of a self-fulfilling prophecy - not many women are involved, so it seems less attractive to other women.

I agree with this martin h had a good post on the other thread about this. There a problem, boys ask boys ask boys ask boys to get involved. If there aren't many women to begin with then this doesn't happen. Also the people I've 'got' to join the WSM I've kind of bullied into. Constant reminders, when are you going to join, are you coming to a meeting, why don't you join etc etc. I for one don't feel comfortable hassling women like this. So that might be an issue as well.

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*Women generally have more respnsibilities than men - i.e. housework and childcare on top of work outside the home. Perhaps alot of women just lack the time to indulge in reading theory and take part in pointless actions. Again the libertarian communist ideal of making changes to our real lives should ahve more appeal.

I agree. I think this is an important point. People used to talk about womens double oppresion in work and at home. In the sense that women have two jobs. I think this is still an issue. Although obviously in a very different way to how it was 20-30 years ago. Perhaps its not a gendered issue, but I think its still a biggy.

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*Women are socialised to have less confidence in their opinions and beliefs, which can be a problem when discussing theory as it can be intimidating. This could be combatted simply by easing newcomers into discussions, offering to explain jargon etc. (not waiting to be asked to explain). You can end up accidently patronising someone, but if you've got any social skills you can tell when someone doesn't understand what you're talking about.

I agree. This applies generally. But even more so with women. I was a bit shocked a few months back when zobag I think said she didn't feel comfortable posting on the highly theoretical threads cos she didn't know enough. Cos she obviously does, on those threads we're all winging it really, its half bullshit half guesswork/conjucture.

26 October, 2006 - 21:01
Jess wrote:
I don't know how afir it is to analyse ratios in small groups, more chance of it being co-incedence.

Altho it'd make CSG fucking amazing compared to the wider anarchist movement. wink

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But yeah, seems to fit in with other anarchist ratios which is interesting.... is there any easy way of finding out the gender ratio of the libcom forums?

Not automatically, no. But I can tell you the answer, to use a scientific term is "fucking woeful".

26 October, 2006 - 21:03

Hi

Politicos are a bit like IT people though aren't they. They can't be expected to attract girls.

Love

LR

26 October, 2006 - 21:05
Lazy Riser wrote:
Hi

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And we aren't into wanking over violence...

Maybe that's what puts them off. Chicks love bad guys.

Love

LR

smile)

26 October, 2006 - 21:11
Jack wrote:
Not automatically, no. But I can tell you the answer, to use a scientific term is "fucking woeful".

yeah, didnt we have that poll about boys club back in the day and it was about 10-12%? Something tells me its gone worse since - for instance, the forums have got much more international nowdays with members from all over, but they seem all to be male.

One thought to add: i dont think the men need to feel shit about this, i mean the problem is not that there are too many men, but that there are not enough men and women involved smile

I dont know how relevant that childcare etc argument is to be honest, because then it would mean that other political/social issue groups would suffer from the same problem, and they dont seem to. For instance the manchester radical social centre seem to have majority women participation, local enviro and animal groups have fairly even split and so on (this is not to say sexism doesnt take place there, but anyway, the split is healthier).

Also, i agree about the comments about black blocks - the gender balance seems to be healthier there anyway.

26 October, 2006 - 21:13
georgestapleton wrote:
we need to engage with feminism and feminist issues and topics. I say this because I think one of the problems is that womens liberation and anti-sexism are often topics that people think should be left to the feminists/women.

This hasn't been the case in any group I've been a member of... if it is true about most anarchist groups, or even just some, then that is absolutely awful. AWFUL. Is it a symptom of not having many women in the group, and men feeling uncomfortable about organising around 'womens issues'? Has anyone else been in a group with this attitude?

26 October, 2006 - 21:15

On the feminism stigma thing. Yeah, I'm not a feminist for 4 reasons.

1. I don't know what it means
2. I've been told I'm not a feminist enough times to accept the fact
3. I have fundamental disagreements with liberal and radical feminists on a myriad of questions and don't want to lump myself in with them.
4. I have the same attitude as almost all of my female friends to sexism etc., a lot of these women have a disdain for 'feminism' and I don't want to divide myself from them.

Basically I think the term serves no purpose but to divide feminists from non feminists and seeing as feminists can't agree what feminists are united around even in the broadest terms then I think creating these kind of divisions its an obstacle to womens liberation.

I prefer to say I'm for womens liberation and I'm anti-sexist.

26 October, 2006 - 21:17
JDMF wrote:
For instance the manchester radical social centre seem to have majority women participation, local enviro and animal groups have fairly even split and so on (this is not to say sexism doesnt take place there, but anyway, the split is healthier).

I'm probably totally misreading this, but are you saying that there's more sexism in anarcho groups than in these kind of groups?

Because I think that's totally bollocks - I think that anarchist groups are pretty unsexist as far as any kind of group you can join in Britain. Altho maybe female posters may disagree with me?

26 October, 2006 - 21:20

I think what happens in the libcom group kinda bears this out - I mean whether we have a sexist culture or whatever wouldn't matter - since people only join because we invite them, and we invite people on the basis of them being sound, helping with the site and having decent politics - the problem has been (being really careful to avoid saying this in an awful way) we just haven't encountered any females who fit these critera. To be honest, as bad as this is gonna sound, if we found one, then if anything, I think that them being a girl would get them almost "fast tracked" into the group...

I'm getting to my point badly, but kinda what I mean is, I think the problem is closer to attracting women to libertarian communist politics, rather than getting them to join our groups.

26 October, 2006 - 21:22
georgestapleton wrote:
1. I don't know what it means

word cool

of course sexual equality should be immanent to anarchism, but often isn't, which is why i think people like RAG feel the need to organise autonomously, and what gives the term some meaning ... neutral

26 October, 2006 - 21:25

Hi

Women have natural aversion to groups that are seen to discuss the issue of lack of females. Unless they're diversity consultants.

I know a nightclub owner, who ponders this issue as a matter of professional concern. He ends up making it worth women's while to walk around the town, luring groups of men in then going out on another "round".

Course, it doesn't actually solve his problem, but it's making the best of a bad situation.

Love

LR

26 October, 2006 - 21:26
georgestapleton wrote:
3. I have fundamental disagreements with liberal and radical feminists on a myriad of questions and don't want to lump myself in with them.

Devils advocate again, but you're willing to call yourself an anarchist and (I think?) a communist, despite there being schools of anarchism and communism you have far deeper disagreements with. Why is this?

and I'm sure as a Platformist, you've been told you're not an anarchist enough times by individualists. Mostly American. wink

26 October, 2006 - 21:27
Jack wrote:
I'm probably totally misreading this, but are you saying that there's more sexism in anarcho groups than in these kind of groups?

no way, i meant that the healthier split in gender ratios doesn't mean that there isn't sexism in the groups.

But hey, i am scandinavian and we have our own fucked up way of looking at sexism, and it is a prism that is used to evaluate a lot of things, such as language, behaviour, our propaganda material and so on.

In finland and sweden it is quite common for the male anarchist to call themselves feminists - i sometimes do too eventhough i am not a very good one (damn these laddish traits are hard to shake off...).

About that sexism prism, basically we analyse things like how meetings are run in a way that prevents any single person (no matter what the gender is) to dominate discussion and/or use oppressive debate tactics to shoot down others and stuff like that. I have fallen faul of this many times, and i still do it once in a while, but its actually a good way to run meetings and events and much more empowering to newcomers and other not naturally loudmouths alike.

Why we view this as anti-sexist work in finland/sweden? i guess it comes from the cultural male behaviour traits, but it doesnt mean that the application of those "rules" or recommendations are gender based.

Sorry probably not making a lot of sense, trying to watch a movie at the same time wink

26 October, 2006 - 21:27
Lazy Riser wrote:
Women have natural aversion to groups that are seen to discuss the issue of lack of females. Unless they're diversity consultants.

while that holds for teenagers organising parties i don't know if we can elevate it to a general truth wink

though there is a point that if something is a non-issue it shouldn't be turned into a tokenistic hobbyhorse, though i don't think that's being suggested.

26 October, 2006 - 21:32

Hi

Well OK, JK, think of it like this instead. Presumably we're not too worried by women’s under representation in the plumbing industry, so why should we worry about their under representation in the Anarchist Movement. Plumbers, after all, are much more useful not to mention more politically advanced as a group.

Love

LR

26 October, 2006 - 21:34

Jack

JDMF isn't around atm, so just to say I don't THINK he meant there is more sexism in anarchist groups, just less women to be sexist to. wink

Nah I don't think either AFed or Libcom are sexist but I DO think that what puts my femme friends with like-minded views off from eg posting on libcom is the lack of emotional intelligence that is practiced at times. By this I mean a seeming difficulty at times for some male posters to take on board views from a different perspective, expressed differently and in a way more designed to move towards consensus as opposed to the dominant mode - more male model - on some threads when the need to prove a point appears more important than the need to encourage debate, and move towards practical discussion and then ways forward.

Femmes haven't got too much time for circular intellectual arguments - we have the world to run y'know wink even if we don't get credit for it!!! roll eyes

If this can improve, I can pretty much guarantee that you will attract both more femme posters AND more hommes wink who prefer a consensual approach to debate to the cock-waving thing!!!

Love

LW X

26 October, 2006 - 21:37
jess wrote:
This hasn't been the case in any group I've been a member of... if it is true about most anarchist groups, or even just some, then that is absolutely awful. AWFUL. Is it a symptom of not having many women in the group, and men feeling uncomfortable about organising around 'womens issues'? Has anyone else been in a group with this attitude?

It's not normally that explicit. But any time I go to a left event with multiple meetings something along these lines is quite visible. If there is a meeting on to do with feminism or abortion or something else relating explicitly to women's oppression, and there is a meeting on at the same time about something else, the women's oppression meeting will attract a majority of women while the other meeting will be a total sausage fest.

That's an across the board thing by the way - It was true the last time I was at the English Socialist Party's Socialism weekend and it was even more blatantly obvious at the Dublin Anarchist bookfair.

26 October, 2006 - 21:37
Lazy Riser wrote:
Well OK, JK, think of it like this instead. Presumably we're not too worried by women’s under representation in the plumbing industry, so why should we worry about their under representation in the Anarchist Movement. Plumbers, after all, are much more useful not to mention more politically advanced as a group.

well this is the unease i have with representational politics which finds it's apogee in proportional representation/affirmative action into workplaces and capital's hierarchies ... but i don't think the problem neccessarily extends to other groups.

i think asking the question why women are a minority in our groups is important, even if the upshot isn't deliberate attempts to balance up the gender ratio (i.e. libcom group is only has 10% female but doesn't seem sexist and isn't out on an affirmative action trip to track down female admins, unless they've totally got the wrong idea about me wink)

26 October, 2006 - 21:43

I think I heard somewhere (maybe from you on another forum embarrassed) that the Irish SP is a bit better? If so, why do you think that is?

26 October, 2006 - 21:44

Hi

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I don't think either AFed or Libcom are sexist but I DO think that what puts my femme friends with like-minded views off from eg posting on libcom is the lack of emotional intelligence that is practiced at times.

It’s like when they say the secret of getting more women into engineering is to make it less like engineering and create some nice soft roles for the fluffy headed dimwits to use their social skills and nesting instincts.

You’ve got to be slightly Asperger’s to enjoy internet forums anyway, and most brands of lefty anarchism for that matter, and the composition of groups reflect the genetic bias of the syndrome.

Love

LR