especially when one insurrectionist group tried to blow up the offices of another the anti-authoritarian movement.
You got any more details on this?
it's all because of this:
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20070101174642848
edited to add: this was meant to be with the prison attack thread. fuck knows why it was moved...
Hmmm from the Thessaloniki demos it seemed that the Anti-authoritarian movement were the sane social anarchists, as opposed to the mental insurrectionists, who it seems did this.
Is there any truth to the first lot beating up other anarchists, or co-operating with the Communist Party (which seems unlikely cos they hate anarchists)?
And are they saying it was insurrectionists responsible for the attack on students when trying to steal PCs? They sound like absolute scumbags.
because they attacked the social forum?
because they attacked the social forum?
Er, who? And when?
I'm really confused.....
There is also an anarcho syndicalist group in greece which has held joint internatioanl days of action along with the SAC, CGT, ACI and some others. I cant remember there name or if they have a site.
Antiauthoritarian Movement (Αντιεξουσιαστίκή Κίνηση) is listed as anarcho syndicalist on wikipedia?
AM had observers on the XXII IWA Congress in Granada, and is maintaining contacts with us. They are not an anarcho-syndicalist organization, but they do have comrades involved in union struggles, and they are socialy orientated.
They are the only masive anarchist organization with any organizational thought in Greece, the platformists are tiny, and ESE ("anarcho-syndicalist") are 5 people, of which one is ex-Vignoles member. Majority of other groups are insurectionist, and are not trying to organize above the level of their neighborhood.
Antiauthoritarian Movement (Αντιεξουσιαστίκή Κίνηση) is listed as anarcho syndicalist on wikipedia?
No this one, Ελευθεριακή Συνδικαλιστική Ένωση (ESE) Eleftheriaki Syndikalistiki Enosi - Ekpaideutikon ( Libertarian Syndicalist Union)
from http://www.geocities.com/dromous/STALINISTS.html :
Then they stepped back and stood in front of the entrance of our offices. After making clear that we will not have any kind of dialogue with them, they started their usual coward threats, like “we will beat you every day”, “you will have no teeth” etc.. Their threats were immediately answered… “u will fart on my balls” etc.
Greek anarchos seem well nuts. I'd be interested to know how true the accusations against the AM are tho.
and ESE ("anarcho-syndicalist") are 5 people, of which one is ex-Vignoles member.
5 doesnt sound plausible because their web site lists four locals and four industrial networks.
But then again their web site is not really working very well.
But its possible that they have been growing fair bit lately!
might be easier just to contact them and ask...
rata wrote:
and ESE ("anarcho-syndicalist") are 5 people, of which one is ex-Vignoles member.5 doesnt sound plausible because their web site lists four locals and four industrial networks.
they have one in each local and one in each industrial network.
They are well bigger than five.
and ESE ("anarcho-syndicalist") are 5 people, of which one is ex-Vignoles member.
Oh my God! This is stated as if it were a crime. So, one member used to be in an organisation you disagree with, so what? At least one of our members used to support the PKK. Is it relevant to the politics they hold today?
It is this sort of stuff, which gives the IWA the reputation it has for paranoia...etc...
Devrim
I think the IWW might have a branch, a few wobs, maby a few shops, maby a ROC. I'm not sure. I thought I saw something In one of the internal bulletins of my union about Greek Wobs. I'm not sure though.
I think the IWW might have a branch, a few wobs, maby a few shops, maby a ROC. I'm not sure. I thought I saw something In one of the internal bulletins of my union about Greek Wobs. I'm not sure though.
Nah. Just a few - IU 510, I think. Insurrectionists attacking other anarchists. Reminds me of some throw-downs back in the good ol' days, between the Galleanists and the Tresca group.
x357997 wrote:
I think the IWW might have a branch, a few wobs, maby a few shops, maby a ROC. I'm not sure. I thought I saw something In one of the internal bulletins of my union about Greek Wobs. I'm not sure though.Nah. Just a few - IU 510, I think. Insurrectionists attacking other anarchists. Reminds me of some throw-downs back in the good ol' days, between the Galleanists and the Tresca group.
Just a few wobs who are in IU 510? Just a few IU 510 Shops? Just a few 510 IUB? any organizing over there? Whats going on with it? I'm very interested.
Oh my God! This is stated as if it were a crime.
No, it wasn't. I find it to be an interesting peace of information if you are engaging in analysis of this groups emergence and practices. If you don't see the relevance of that information, or the difference between that case and case of a person who shifted his political views, than... well, you have a much bigger problem on your shoulders than paranoia and etc.
Devrim wrote:
Oh my God! This is stated as if it were a crime.No, it wasn't. I find it to be an interesting peace of information if you are engaging in analysis of this groups emergence and practices. If you don't see the relevance of that information, or the difference between that case and case of a person who shifted his political views, than... well, you have a much bigger problem on your shoulders than paranoia and etc.
Its not important comrade that they have a former member of CNTF in their ranks.
rata wrote:
Devrim wrote:
Oh my God! This is stated as if it were a crime.No, it wasn't. I find it to be an interesting peace of information if you are engaging in analysis of this groups emergence and practices. If you don't see the relevance of that information, or the difference between that case and case of a person who shifted his political views, than... well, you have a much bigger problem on your shoulders than paranoia and etc.
Its not important comrade that they have a former member of CNTF in their ranks.
This just gets deeper and deeper. It would be great if there was a simple map-out of greek politics that people could just use as a resource.
so, rough guess, how many folk might be in each of these sort of groups mentioned? rata claimed the AM was "massive" 
but i'm kinda dubious as to how massive it would be...
then again, i get the impression that Anarchism still holds some strength in Greece?
Its not important comrade that they have a former member of CNTF in their ranks.
true, but you could take it as a positive sign though: they have a member in their ranks who comes from a proper functioning anarcho-syndicalist union which focuses on the workplace organising. The experience, knowledge and practical skills one might have after being in such a group could really help when setting up a new one in Greece. Depends of course if this person is an experienced member, or was just briefly a member of CNT-F.
By the way, Manchester SolFed has a comrade who was a member of SUD in France.
still no clear break down....anyone?
so, rough guess, how many folk might be in each of these sort of groups mentioned? rata claimed the AM was "massive"then again, i get the impression that Anarchism still holds some strength in Greece?
Yeah it's pretty big. In Thessaloniki what there were a few thousand anarchists there. Rough estimates of numbers I heard the AM bloc had 1,500-2,000 people on it, the insurrectionists one (that I was on, didn't know where abouts the other one was) had about 3,000. This would broadly match up to the numbers staying in the two buildings squatted by the two groups. There are thousands of anarchists in Greece. They even had offices in the university, for example.
Is AM kind of an umbrella network with other smaller groups in it? I didn't see any large-seeming federation-like groups over there.
They even had offices in the university, for example.
We have offices in the University now too, and we are not even close in size =;> During the blockade, we broke into the offices of the official student union and took it away.
Is AM kind of an umbrella network with other smaller groups in it?
They are organized in assembles of different cities. So AM assembly of Thessaloníki, AM assembly of Athens, etc.
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wayne was telling me that some of the insurrectionist ones wanted to go petrol bomb the other sane anarchist groups social centre when he was there.