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ajjohnstone
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Apr 22 2012 04:47

i am happy to leave it up to others to make up their own minds on the interpretation since i provided the links so they can read it in context and decide for themselves.

As socialists/anarchists we can agree that the type of society we live in determines much of human behaviour and that there exists no innate human nature although the debate is often termed and described as the greedy/lazy human nature argument as such.
It also appears that there are some that seem to think that those transformations in relationships will only commence after the establishment of socialism and not in the process of the revolution. Nor is any-one suggesting that one evening we all go to bed and wake up next morning in a fully functioning perfect socialist utopia, and all of us having turned into angels.
Problems with resources will still remain and require addressing but where possible it will be resolved by alternate means to the artificial and inefficient rationing by way of prices and wages and the continuance of buying and selling and the exchange economy.

As an aside, needless to say, the existence of psychological feelings of powelessness, impotence and "the fear of freedom" that many suffer under capitalism will equally effect their interactions with all the committees and negotiation facilitations that are part and parcel of Parecon but this is conveniently overlooked by yourself. So if such people are no problem for Parecon, why should there be one for free access communism.

Indeed, there may well be some "throw-backs" to the pre-socialist world, free access socialists will argue that the rest of us will regard it as a necessary "evil" carry them, just as we will only be too happy to support other non-producers, the young, the old and the sick (and perhaps those of us who will expend their time in being artists) and will not artificially ration their access to the collective - common - ownership of the world's wealth.

This approach won't risk some apocalyptic threat to the viability of a communist society and the problem will diminish over time.

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Apr 22 2012 08:20

The central philosophical issue here seems to be:

Are 'free riders' a natural or a social phenomenon?

The supporters of Parecon seem to suggest that 'free riders' will always be with us, to the extent that they will cause a social problem.

The supporters of Communism seem to believe that 'free riders' are produced by socialisation processes, and will be, at worst, a minor problem.

To nail my colours to the mast, I think that 'free riders' are a product of bourgeois socialisation, the notorious 'free individual', who need have no concern for 'society' and their comrades.

The 'free riders' that we clearly have with us now will be changed or removed during the process of revolution, and post-revolution they won't be produced.

If anyone thinks that 'free riders' will always be with us, that is a theory of 'human nature'.

ajjohnstone wrote:
i am happy to leave it up to others to make up their own minds on the interpretation since i provided the links so they can read it in context and decide for themselves.

Yeah, I was unsure at the outset of this debate with the supporters of Parecon (and syndicalistcat), but now I think I have clarified my ideas. Thanks to all those who contributed to the discussion.

Are there any further responses from Parecon, which we still need to consider?

ajjohnstone
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May 4 2012 02:07

i noticed that Michael Albert and IOPS got a plug on AlJazeera websitee
[url= http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/2012428101744733791.html]
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/2012428101744733791.html[/url]

MA - "the aim is that IOPS will have face-to-face chapters in cities, and when it gets big enough, even multiple chapters in cities, which will in turn be federated into city and then national chapters, and then in turn federated into the international organisation".

Caiman del Barrio
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May 8 2012 15:33

http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/16016856

Apparently Graeber's also in this btw.

vanilla.ice.baby
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May 9 2012 06:45

Tommy Ascaso's mate?

Caiman del Barrio
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May 9 2012 12:48

Nah, Tommy Ascaso doesn't have mates... wink <3