The IWW should be X
Dec 23 2007 18:35
Since so many people have thought out what the IWW should and shouldn't do, I'd be interested in hearing detailed proposals for what you would do were you in the IWW.
Dec 24 2007 18:51
#2
the IWW should be 
narhkaz!
Dec 24 2007 18:53
#3
Not if I was in it, but I think if the IWW wants to avoid the inherent contradictions between trying to be a: revolutionary, and b: a "real union" it should stop attempting to be a union, and instead be an organisations of militants, organised on industrial lines, across all industries, unions, and as many countries as possible. Its membership should be restricted to those who agree with its ideas, but it should of course work with all pissed off workers everywhere.
That's my 2c, and that's the kind of revolutionary organisation I want to see.
Dec 25 2007 06:08
#4
-communicated! (sorry couldn't resist)
Jan 2 2008 23:21
#5
Work your way into union hierarchy then find ways to siphon off funds and not get caught. This seems to be fairly easy to do in leftist and non-profit organizations. Scamming the IWW is reserved for second-rate con artists, of course, because the IWW doesn't have much money, but there's no shame in sticking to games you can win. The real players get into the Red Cross and United Way and shit.
Jan 2 2008 23:40
#6
yoshomon wrote:
Work your way into union hierarchy then find ways to siphon off funds and not get caught. This seems to be fairly easy to do in leftist and non-profit organizations.
This would get you stabbed at my prison book program. And I'm sure the working class would be thrilled if folks started embezzling their dues to fund an anarchy group or something.
Jan 3 2008 01:22
#7
j.rogue wrote:
yoshomon wrote:
Work your way into union hierarchy then find ways to siphon off funds and not get caught. This seems to be fairly easy to do in leftist and non-profit organizations.This would get you stabbed at my prison book program.
Isn't the proper term shanked?
Jan 3 2008 01:26
#8
Mick Black wrote:
j.rogue wrote:
yoshomon wrote:
Work your way into union hierarchy then find ways to siphon off funds and not get caught. This seems to be fairly easy to do in leftist and non-profit organizations.This would get you stabbed at my prison book program.
Isn't the proper term shanked?
Stop the stereotypes!
Jan 3 2008 02:06
#9
I've had a lot of luck with stealing IWW members' iPods. It's way funner than writing nihilist zines.
Jan 3 2008 05:17
#10
j.rogue wrote:
yoshomon wrote:
Work your way into union hierarchy then find ways to siphon off funds and not get caught. This seems to be fairly easy to do in leftist and non-profit organizations.This would get you stabbed at my prison book program. And I'm sure the working class would be thrilled if folks started embezzling their dues to fund an anarchy group or something.
When I was involved in a prison book program some dude did a benefit for us but never gave us the money (or books) that he promised. Shit was rough.
I think you're right about the working class being thrilled about being stolen from, and I'm glad to hear that the IWW finally lived up to its name - the one big union - and organized the whole class which now speaks with one common voice. My only question is why would someone waste embezzled union money on "an anarchy group" when they could spend it on themselves or their family?
Jan 3 2008 07:13
#11
yoshomon wrote:
j.rogue wrote:
yoshomon wrote:
Work your way into union hierarchy then find ways to siphon off funds and not get caught. This seems to be fairly easy to do in leftist and non-profit organizations.This would get you stabbed at my prison book program. And I'm sure the working class would be thrilled if folks started embezzling their dues to fund an anarchy group or something.
When I was involved in a prison book program some dude did a benefit for us but never gave us the money (or books) that he promised. Shit was rough.
I think you're right about the working class being thrilled about being stolen from, and I'm glad to hear that the IWW finally lived up to its name - the one big union - and organized the whole class which now speaks with one common voice. My only question is why would someone waste embezzled union money on "an anarchy group" when they could spend it on themselves or their family?
Are you seriously advocating stealing dues money from unions?
Jan 3 2008 14:09
#12
I thought stealing funds was the whole point of working one's way up to the union hierarchy (or the hierarchy of any organization with funds to steal)?
Jan 3 2008 14:12
#13
yoshomon wrote:
I thought stealing funds was the whole point of working one's way up to the union hierarchy (or the hierarchy of any organization with funds to steal)?
Uh huh. answer the question.
Jan 3 2008 14:27
#14
I don't 'advocate' doing anything other than learning to play Go, but I have no doubt that embezzling happens all the time in the IWW and other leftist groups (on a small level, due to lack of funds to steal). Self-interest trumps morality.
Jan 3 2008 15:29
#15
Do you advocate stealing money from tourists at airports too? 
Jan 3 2008 15:36
#16
I advocate people with shaved heads and orange robes spanging at airports, but only if it leads to bands like 108 and Shelter.
Jan 3 2008 17:01
#17
I think what is being asked for dude is a more serious condemnation of such activity. Its nothing to be facetious about.
For the very reason that there is so little to steal.
Jan 3 2008 17:14
#18
yoshomon wrote:
I advocate people with shaved heads and orange robes spanging at airports, but only if it leads to bands like 108 and Shelter.
Free Dictionary dot com--the only dictionary i can afford--does not recognize "spanging". Did you pick the expression up from the Moonies or the Hara Krishnas?
Jan 3 2008 17:15
#19
j.rogue wrote:
[...
This would get you stabbed at my prison book program. ...
Yeah, but that's in Texas where people carry guns and hate.
Jan 3 2008 17:16
#20
Quote:
Free Dictionary dot com--the only dictionary i can afford--does not recognize "spanging". Did you pick the expression up from the Moonies or the Hara Krishnas?
A colloquial contraction. 'Spare changing.' It's gutter-punk-speak.
Jan 3 2008 17:22
#21
yoshomon wrote:
embezzling happens all the time in the IWW
What, there wasn't enough bullshit going on to talk about that you needed to make up some stuff?
Randy wrote:
j.rogue wrote:
[...
This would get you stabbed at my prison book program. ...Yeah, but that's in Texas where people carry guns and hate.
But it's Austin, which is as close to hippie as you can get in Texas!
Jan 3 2008 17:24
#22
severin wrote:
... It's gutter-punk-speak.
Well fancy my cosmopolitan self never having heard it!
Not much to add the topic, i guess. When the IWW organizes near me, I support them. Otherwise, i don't stay involved. I don't see the logic of a network of militants that maintains the appearance of a union (feel free to enlighten me here).
Jan 3 2008 17:26
#23
I don't see the logic, or the integrity, of "maintaining' any 'appearance'.
But it is irrelevant because it is neither a network of militants nor a union.
Jan 3 2008 17:31
#24
j.rogue wrote:
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But it's Austin, which is as close to hippie as you can get in Texas!
Leonard Cohen snapped his fingers when he performed on Austin City Limits, so i assumed you'uns was all Beats. 
(An amazing performance, btw. No trace of that particular show that i can find on youtube, and my ex made off with the vcr tape. ) 
Jan 3 2008 17:38
#25
severin wrote:
I don't see the logic, or the integrity, of "maintaining' any 'appearance'.But it is irrelevant because it is neither a network of militants nor a union.
How is it not a network of militants?
Jan 3 2008 17:41
#26
Any serious network of militants would not have allowed all of these compromises to happen. That's how.
Jan 3 2008 18:03
#27
yoshomon wrote:
Shelter.
Shelter got a terrible time off the crusties over here when they played and rightly so. Ray Cappo is a sad sad man.
Jan 3 2008 21:55
#28
I can offer no defense for Ray other than (almost) all of the Shelter records are amazing.
Jan 4 2008 18:34
#29
Caught you:
yoshomon wrote:
why would someone waste embezzled union money on "an anarchy group" when they could spend it on themselves or their family?
You're soft on families. I'm telling all the other artsy counter-culture nihilists who masquerade as commies. You're totally going to get expelled from the next vegan potluck.
Jan 4 2008 20:01
#30
I bet if you purged beards, folk music, and iconic pictures of muscle-bound aryan men with hammers you could probably at least bring the group up to about the year 1987 or so.
Hey, its a start.
quit