Living Wage Campaign

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http://www.livingwage.org.uk/

London Citizens Living Wage Campaign - anyone here heard about this or involved with it? Someone was tell ing me about it the other day, and everything about it seems pretty good, a bit to good maybe.. but there are things like this which could be bad:

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So yeah if anyone has any info to share pls let me know before i look into it more...

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Don't know anything about the campaign, but they do seem to be aiming a bit low, a living wage of £6.70/hour. That's surely not up to the Council of Europe's Decency Threshold, originally 68% of average earnings, but now downgraded to 60% of net earnings. I'm sure I've seen this reported to be in the region of £7.40 per hour.

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This is largely an initiative of London Citizens londoncitizens.org.uk, who originate in socially-engaged Christianity in the US. They first came to prominence here as TELCO telcocitizens.org.uk/ - basically they are an alliance of religious groups, unions and community groups. The full-time organiser is basically a fact in most US campaigns, including quite grass roots ones. Several IWW organising drives over the last 15 years have focused on them. The campaign group train people up on how to relate to people, interview, basic organising skills and then try to build a campaign. It's been successful as far as it goes in a number of US cities. Here, they managed to score a victory against Waltham Cross hospital over the crap pay it was giving its cleaners and has been highly involved in the Canary Wharf cleaners campaign.

I've asked before if any anarchs in E London or Brixton have had any involvement but none has ever come forward. While I think there are problems with the approach, not least the overt religiosity of it and the appeals to a mythic civil society, the work they are doing is certainly worthwhile. The left in the T&G in London are apparently quite enamoured of them, and Lambeth Unison have done joint things with them.

Their presence is patchy (a bit like ours!) and they don't appear to do anything much in Lewisham, for example.

I'd be interested if you dig up anything more - the Solidarity Collective that some on this board are involved in is looking at similar areas of work but with a much more sussed political stance, IMO.

Martin

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Cool cheers for the info.

Yeah there is a Living Wage campaign at uni which came to light with debate over the strike. Its targetted at the cleaners etc. I think im going to go alon to some meetings and see what its like. My intital question to the person i was talking to was whether the staff were involved in it and this was the answer:

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Dialogue is about to get started, as we have been building capacity and doing a lot of research; its not going to be an on-the-hoof campaign, we're keen that we are successful so have spent quite a lot of time organising, and working through the union and building relations with staff.

So yeah seems to tie in with what you have said Martin. Will let people know!

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there's a girl at my college (queen mary's) who is just finishing a PhD about this campaign, and telco (the east london communityorganisation i think) in general. Shes nice, and has gone out to palestine with the solidarity movement, although very much a wiberal i'm afraid.

alas she hasn't got a space on the college website unlike most of the PhD students, but her name's Lina Jamoul. do a google scholar search for her and you might find an article or two about her research

[nb if you do but it won't let you access it, i have ways...]

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Cool will check that out... yeah i have the ways as well.. thanks for the offer!

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rkn wrote:
Someone was tell ing me about it the other day, and everything about it seems pretty good, a bit to good maybe..

Mm. I beg to differ. Aufheben are good on the problem with these sort of demands in the current climate :-

http://www.geocities.com/aufheben2/stc_intro.html

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Reading their introduction, I dont find that too convincing tbh. I know where they are coming from - unless you are gunna summarise something from all the other articles they link to, i still think its a good idea to support workers claims for higher wages!

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I don't disagree that it is vital to support campaigns for higher wages. There is, in my view, the world of difference between that and the sort of campaign which beauracratically decides on some value of a 'living wage' and then campaigns for it on behalf of workers. Very quickly we get drawn into debates like those on this thread - does it fall within the decency threshold set by such-and-such State body?

All of which misses the not minor point that the wage as such is a form of both forced labour and robbery.

Call me old fashioned, but I want to see the abolition of the wage system. Solidarity with real concrete struggles, issuing from workers, for higher wages are both good in themselves and a means of building the confidence of the only force in capitalist society capable of doing away with the wage system, the working class. Initiatives such as the 'Living Wage' campaign, by contrast, are at best a waste of time, and at worst a misleading distraction.

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rkn - the articles are actually well good, and much more nuanced than your reading of the intro is getting you.

They're actually pretty worth reading, and are all pretty short.

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Cool will reply when i have a chance to read them

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Still havent read them, but thought i will mention some stuff...

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There is, in my view, the world of difference between that and the sort of campaign which beauracratically decides on some value of a 'living wage' and then campaigns for it on behalf of workers.

Yeah I agree with that. I guess i wasnt clear with my explanations so far. The campaign at my university - i'm not sure how it is related to the London campaign - but it involves workers, staff and students working togther, rather than campaigning for a figure which is drawn out of a hat by someone not involved.

Obviously i agree with the destruction of the wage system for the reasons you cite, however in the particular circumstance I see it active in (my university) I think it is worthwhile:

- Its a collaborative project between academic staff, students and 'workers'. Who dont see themselves as often on the same side, as something which draws them togther and reinforces links between 3 groups which would usually have little contact.

- In this situation where the workers are not recognised by any formal union, it is leading to them forming their own Workers Association through which to voice their demands.

- And of course it just helps maintain a general culture of struggle in the workplace and hopefully improves the standard of living for certain people.

I dont see this as a end, only a means for other things. I dont think we can really ask for anything more in the current climate, and i'm certainly not one to just leave it because its not enough. I dont think its a waste of time from what I have said above - and a misleading distraction? That would imply there is something to be distracted from - which there isnt.

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https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/05/339408.html

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The London Citizens Workers' Association was launched today, May 1, 2006 at Westminster Cathedral, London. Before I arrived there was a procession into the building for a "mass for workers."