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Plain English Anti-Cuts Leaflet

Here's the text of an insert that people in the Bristol and District Anti-Cuts Alliance have done, and are handing out in city centre stalls. Its long (needs to be printed on 2 sides of A4 to be an easy read) but has gone down well, especially alongside a 'cuts myths dispelled' insert we also put with the standard contact leaflet.

Hope it will be useful to other groups.

whats going on here?

In 2008 The government borrowed £109 billion from the money markets to give to the banks to stop them going bankrupt, because this would have meant that shareholders in the banks would have lost their money. Some of the shareholders were pension funds, some were rich mates of the people making the decisions.

Now the government has a huge debt that it needs to keep 'refinancing' (a bit like the debt consolidation schemes we get offered when we have debts). The international money markets decide the price they charge for borrowing this 'refinancing' money.

The international money markets are made up of rich, selfish people who don't want to pay for the crisis THEY created. So they tell the governments “do what we say or we'll charge you an arm and a leg to borrow the money”. They tell the governments “make cuts in a way we like and we'll give you the money cheap”.

Luckily for the money marketeers, in Britain we elected a government that wanted to cut spending anyway – they think that the poorer people get too much in 'handouts', and the rich should be able to keep the money they 'worked' for. 23 out of the 29 members of this government are millionaires.

So, in October the government said it was going to make cuts of £109 billion to pay for the bank bail-out. They said this was because of 'overspending' by the previous government on benefits and tax credits, not because of the bank bail out. This is a lie.

Now, a third of the money that the government gives Bristol City Council will be cut. That means a third of the services will be cut. Services like Meals on Wheels, libraries, help for physically and mentally ill people. help for carers – all will be cut. Some of Bristol's parks and open spaces will be sold off. The new council houses Bristol needs to cut the waiting lists are not going to be built any more. Council rents are going up by A LOT. Thousands of council workers will lose their jobs.

Housing benefit will be cut. Working Tax Credits are going to taken away. EMA is going to be taken away. If an unemployed mother with 2 toddlers turns down 3 jobs because they are too far away, or at night, or pay less than her benefits, she will be punished and lose her benefits for TWO YEARS. If an Iraqi war veteran with shellshock can't convince a doctor that has never met him that he's not ready to work yet, he will be forced to, or lose his benefits for TWO YEARS.

There are a thousand other cuts that will affect everyone in a different way.

Most of us agree that this massive debt needs to be got rid off. The way the government and the media talk, you would think that there is no other way of doing this than making these cuts. This is not true. Turn over to find out more.

Do the cuts have to happen?

No. There are other ways to pay off the debt.

First off, we could get the money back from the banks themselves. We could do this by taxing their bonuses and profits, or nationalising them and putting them to work for us, not for the profits of their shareholders.

Or, we could refuse to pay, or 'default' on our debts to the money markets. This sounds serious, and it is, but at the moment these money marketeers are running our country, they are making all the decisions, not the government we elected. We are going to have to get free of them some time, it may as well be now.

Or, even easier than either of those, we can increase the money we make, rather than cut the money we spend. The poorer can't afford to pay more, we're already struggling as it is, having to take on debts ourselves. So, why not get the money from those that can afford it? Why not tax the corporations, and The Richest 5% of the population (who own 40% of the wealth)?

A 50% tax rate for people earning over £100,000 – raises £4.7 billion every year.*

The same rate of tax for people earning over £50,000 – unknown, but A LOT!

Make the top 700 UK companies pay what they should pay – £12 billion a year.*

Stop the rich using offshore tax havens to avoid paying tax – £25 billion a year.

Taxing people who keep properties empty, while thousands wait on Bristol's housing lists – raises £5 billion*

A tax on the buying and selling of shares: raises £20-30 billion.*

Doesn't sound too painful, even for the rich, does it? Certainly less painful than cutting benefits and services for those that most need them!

So, why isn't this what is happening? A simple answer - The Rich run Britain, and as the old saying goes “turkeys don't vote for Christmas”, do they!

The only way The Rich will pay is if the rest of us show that we WON'T pay for them. It can be done – if us adults show the fight the students have, it will all be over in a week!

Come over to our stall to talk more and to sign up to the Anti-Cuts Alliance.

Or email us at admin@bristolanticutsalliance.org.uk to find out more.

* figures from UNISON's “alternative budget – budgetting for a fairer society”. Google for more info.

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Dec 19 2010 12:30

This advances nothing. Aimed to draw in the crowds. So as to what, other than " sign up to the Anti-Cuts Alliance."?

It's banal at best. All it does is promote a populist ideology of "good government" - i.e. leftist government. Tax the rich. In the current circumstances, it's an impossible demand - typical leftist crap. Fuck that popular frontism. Besides, what are taxes for? This stupid miserable society. Given any essential question, tax has fuck-all to do with it.

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at the moment these money marketeers are running our country

Whose country? Where is it any different?

Could it be any different when it comes to running countries? Please answer No or No.

Most people know that it's the banks who created the crisis - but many resign themselves to this, and justify its repercussions so as to adapt themselves to this "inevitability". The real theoretically written tasks are not this populist superficiality, but questions such as "why do people resign themselves to this horror and what are the consequences of such an acceptance?", "why we should support the - minimal so far - violence against the State and attack the stupid pacifism of many students and those who claim to support them", "what is education/the welfare state all about?", "why creating leaflets that can be acceptable to the left of the labour Party, the SWP and almost everybody who accepts stupid hierarchically entrenched social relations aslong as they appear to be against the rich is at best useless", " why/how ....................................?" (fill in your own question/theoretical development).

A film by the famous winner of the Palme d'Or at Cannes, Jean-Luc Hitchcock, implicitly deals with some of these questions - "Trouble At Millbank".

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Dec 19 2010 17:48

Samontaf - I wish you luck in your gleaming palace of ideological correctness, where 'populist superficiality' is something you shake your fist at as it passes under your level of acceptance as to what 'theoretically written tasks' the general public should be set, in line with what you have decided is good for them.

I find such pristine retreats cold and lonely places, and so rather than scream at my own reflection I'm going to give people a leaflet that i hope they will understand, and maybe empathise with. I've done this a few times with this leaflet, and it has gone down well, leading to interesting conversations, and guess what? I even learned a few things from the person i had built an understanding with.

Therefore, as i feel its proved its tactical worth, i thought i'd share it. I hope others will use it as i think it works.

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Tax the rich. In the current circumstances, it's an impossible demand - typical leftist crap.

So instead we should demand answers to these questions:

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"why do people resign themselves to this horror and what are the consequences of such an acceptance?", "why we should support the - minimal so far - violence against the State and attack the stupid pacifism of many students and those who claim to support them", "what is education/the welfare state all about?"

You obviously have many qualities, but i don't think plain english leaflet writing is one of them, and so i'll take your criticisms with a pinch of salt.

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Dec 19 2010 18:30

Hi Boydell, I hope you won't take this too personally but I've also got a few criticisms of your leaflet.. I mean, generally, I like the tone and the ethos behind it (something easily understandable, for eg) but to me, there are a few bits that don't chime well with my politics.. for instance..

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Luckily for the money marketeers, in Britain we elected a government that wanted to cut spending anyway [...] 23 out of the 29 members of this government are millionaires.

sounds a lot like you're saying we should have voted Labour (coz at least they wouldn't have wanted to cut spending..).. now I don't know you're politics or that of the group handing this out but I would certainly disagree with this and wouldn't want to give anyone the impression that ANY of the political parties would be doing anything different..

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First off, we could get the money back from the banks themselves. We could do this by taxing their bonuses and profits, or nationalising them and putting them to work for us, not for the profits of their shareholders.

Hmm, again, I'm not sure.. I mean, Labour DID nationalise Northern Rock and that still saw redundancies, repossessions etc.. I don't think there is anything inherently progressive nationalising the banks. I mean, what does it mean to "put the banks to work for us"? In what sense can banks be used for the benefit of the working class?

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Or, we could refuse to pay, or 'default' on our debts to the money markets. This sounds serious, and it is, but at the moment these money marketeers are running our country, they are making all the decisions, not the government we elected. We are going to have to get free of them some time, it may as well be now.

I feel there are a lot of problems with this bit. First of all, it implies that we should have faith in the electoral system (you know, coz if we vote for the right people, it should be all right, no?) and secondly, I don't like how it singles out "marketeers".. who do you mean by marketeers? The banks, finance capital etc? Not sure about you, but I'm against bosses generally not just banks specifically and I don't think it particularly matters if a country (regardless of if it's 'mine' or not) is run by business owners or bankers.. the point is it's not run by me and my class..

Finally, I think it misunderstands the relationship between capitalism and the state.. it acts as if they are two independent organisations that just chose to get along and can just 'unchoose' to.. The state HAS to act in the interests of capital because that's what makes up a nation-state's economy; if it doesn't then businesses will say 'nah, reckon we'll invest elsewhere' and an economy will collapse (further)..

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Or, even easier than either of those, we can increase the money we make, rather than cut the money we spend.

The money who makes? Who is this 'we' you keep referring too?

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The poorer can't afford to pay more, we're already struggling as it is, having to take on debts ourselves. So, why not get the money from those that can afford it? Why not tax the corporations, and The Richest 5% of the population (who own 40% of the wealth)?

See, this touches on something that needs to be made more of.. that capitalism is fundamentally unfair and unequal.. but then in the following stats it doesn't take into account that actually these things are virtually impossible to enact (for the very reasons that this society is fundamentally unfair).. yeah, 'tax the rich'.. they'll put their money in offshore accounts.. 'stop them from using offshore accounts'.. but how? Surely they could just leave the country, go somewhere more pleasant for those with large savings..

Finally, and really it's the biggest problem with the text, is that short of a couple of words here or there about 'not putting up with cuts' or whatever, there is very little practical stuff about what we can do.. I mean, there's a brief mention of the students but beyond that, nothing..

We need to be encouraging struggle (like what we've seen recently in Greece, France, Italy etc - which I also noticed there was no mention of), not restructuring capitalism in a way that we've got no ability to effect at all..

Anyway, I hope these criticisms won't be taken too harshly.. they're just some thoughts I had when I was reading it.. will knock it on the head now, I've got to cook dinner..

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Dec 19 2010 19:00

Ed: good post, I would agree with all of that

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Dec 19 2010 21:28

Thanks for taking the time to do that Ed, much appreciated.

As for as myself, i'm from the anarchist tradition, fairly heavily involved in my local 'scene'. I only say that as a shorthand that i basically agree with you and Steven in terms of broad politics (and also probably with Samontaf if we hadn't got off to such a bad start...), from what i've seen all of you post in other places.

I've been a part of a lot of campaigns over the last few years, and have become frustrated with what i see as a culture of failure in the anarchist movement, at least where i am. I find it hard to believe that the message is wrong, and i find that if you get the chance to talk to people you end up agreeing that 'the way things are going' (i.e. the progress of capitalism in western society) is wrong and that something should be done (once you've waded through some shallow thinking about Somalis, Roma, the EU etc.).

So, i don't think the message is wrong, but i do think we as a movement underestimate the hatchet job that has been done on working class consciousness since the 1970's, in terms of the perception of left libertarian politics.

Anyone who moves or works outside political circles will be aware of the lazy stereotypes that have been developed - get a job, have a bath, you'll grow out of it, "the lost deposit brigade", hypocrisy, mindless violence, pie-in-the-sky, impractical. You may disagree with that, your experiences on the street, in the pubs, at the workplace may be different, but that's what i've found.

So, i believe, like it or not, we need to keep that in mind when we are writing propaganda for distribution. We also need to be aware that we are a long way from being in the position where the schisms that loom large on Libcom are the stuff of Lounge Bar rants in the average pub. Therefore in order to get to the stage where the relative strengths and weaknesses of anarchist / libcom theory can be discussed, i believe we need to move the general debate closer to our position, and we need to do this in a manner that avoids playing to the above stereotypes.

Some would see this as sell-out, populist, underhand, reformist - i see it as a tactical issue rather than a moral one. Remember, i am not advising that we lie about what we believe in, only that we present it in a way that does not alienate or switch off the working class reader that we are aiming to sway, so that they will actually consider what is being said, rather than who is saying it.

I don't think that in 2 pages of A4 you can combat all of the stereotypes, offer a easy-to-access critique of capitalism, a class based analysis of the cuts as well as outlining a practical alternative that can start to shift the dialogue back towards the bigger picture. I think, tactically, the most important aims must be to present our analysis in a way that is 'translatable' to people who have not followed events that closely, and to offer the hope of an alternative way than cuts.

I have no faith in representative democracy, i don't see nationalisation as an end in itself, i think all Tory politicians are turds and other politicians as only a smudge above them in the toilet bowl. But i also think that putting all that as an 'introductory leaflet' for general distribution would move the argument away from what i want it to be about, and lead to a confirmation of the 'extreme' stereotype we are currently labouring under. Anarchism is not extreme, parts of it are the natural law of every old school housing estate in the country. But if we try and 'be spot on' in a leaflet like this, i think it comes across as extreme, so tactically it would be better to fight some battles and leave others for later.

Sorry to go on so long, but i do feel people have got the wrong end of the stick about the leaflet. I would LOVE to see us agree a better wording here, whilst accepting the overall tactical objective, and i hope that people can come up with some suggestions. The only thing is, if you put something in you need to take something out, as its too long already!

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Dec 20 2010 09:30

Hey Boydell, I know what you mean and I think it's good that you want to move away from the anarchist ghetto in focus, language etc. My experience of anarchism in the UK has been that a lot (most of?) the scene is quite happy where they are (though perhaps this is changing now)..

Thing is, I don't think that my politics are that complicated.. to be honest, I don't think most good ideas are that complicated (and I'm suspicious of anyone who acts otherwise).. so yeah, we're a long way from pub banter related to the minutae of class politics but I still think that we can say what we want without it baffling/alienating people. In fact, if I thought that my politics weren't understandable by most people I'd probably have given up on them by now!

So when you say "Some would see this as sell-out, populist, underhand, reformist", I kind of have to say (with the utmost respect, this isn't intended to cause offense), yeah, it is.. I mean, some of the stuff in that leaflet, I would say, is actually a million miles from what I think we should be advocating (the stuff about nationalisation, or that the government can act in our interests etc).

And yeah, I know the 'utopian' criticism well.. but funnily enough, I've only ever heard it from other anarchists! Because the alternative to advocating this leftist stuff isn't "REVOLUTION NOW! ANARCHY ON THE STREETS!" and when I talk to workmates/friends etc about this stuff I talk about the things we have in common (i.e. we're facing cuts, scary innit, how can we oppose them?). We talk about the things we've seen on TV (protests in Greece, France, UK etc) and how that might effect things..

So when we write leaflets, this is where I think our focus has to be.. moving away from the idea that the government did 'the wrong thing' and towards the idea that if we want to come out of this situation better (I'm not even thinking about libertarian communism here.. just not being completely fucked in five years time!) then we have to get ready for action: like the students are doing, like the workers in Greece and France (and Spain and Portugal).. who knows where it will get us but it's got to get us further than continuing this pretence that if the government was better or made better decisions then everything will be fine (which, in my opinion, is far more utopian)!

I don't think this takes a mass of economic theories or whatever.. In my opinion, this is as easy as talking about what you do every day (work), why (for money), for whose benefit (your boss), new problems (cuts) and how you imagine this could be improved (working class struggle, see above examples). Apart from the last one, everyone could tell you this themselves and the last one isn't a stretch either (again, in my opinion)..

Anyway, I dunno what your thoughts are on this.. maybe I'm so detached from working class life now that I don't even realise but I don't think I am.. or at least I hope not! smile

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Also, if you wanted some articles that I think generally have a good line on anti-cuts stuff, I'd recommend the following.. not suitable exactly for a leaflet (too long, too wordy etc), but I think the general tone and the line pushed in them are more what we'd agree with while not being pie-in-the-sky utopian stuff..

http://libcom.org/news/not-all-together-23082010
http://www.solidarityfederation.org.uk/sites/default/files/uploads/bh-solidarity-web1.pdf
http://solfed.org.uk/?q=newsletter-3

EDIT: that last newsletter doesn't seem to let you read any of the articles, if any of the Brighton SF lot are reading this do you reckon you could sort that out? I remember that lead article being quite good..

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Dec 20 2010 10:16

Boydell,

Have to say I generally agree with the Ed. Leaflets should be about making our politics accessible, but not at the expense of watering them down.

I thought this might be helpful. It was my attempt to discuss the cuts within the context of capitalism and make it as accessible as possible. If you think any of it is useful, please feel free make use of it:

What's Next?

National day of action called for Sunday December 5th.


As of the time of publication, there's been two big developments. The first was a another day of action on 30th November. Much like the 24th, students walked out, protested in the street, and occupied even more universities. Then, there was a callout for a day of action on the 5th. Recognizing that many supportive workers had been previously unable to attend, organisers called for demonstrations and solidarity actions this Sunday.

It's imperative the movement builds, expands, and spreads. This Sunday is the perfect opportunity for that to happen. Workers can come out to tell the government and the bosses that this isn't just about fees, cuts, or students. It's about us standing up and standing together as students, workers, the unemployed, and pensioners. It's about making demands, showing solidarity, and building organization.

No doubt this Sunday will see marches and rallies around the UK. Get involved, but get creative. Go to occupied universities and offer support. Call a meeting with your co-workers (or your trade union branch) and discuss how the cuts will affect you and what can be done to fight them in your workplace.

For students, make links with workers! Tube workers are involved in an on-going dispute. Get down to picket lines, getting talking to tube workers, and see what sort of practical acts of solidarity would be helpful. Talk to the workers in your school at workplaces near your home. Find out their issues and what could be done to support them. This is the kind of activity that could crystalise into a movement where, when the call goes out, not only do students walk, but workers do too!

For students, we also give one more word of warning regarding “the kettle”. Police know how to deal with a big march through the centre of town. What they can't deal with is small roaming marches bent on spreading direct action all around town.

For all involved, we stress the need for self-organization. Organizations like unions and political parties will try control this, so far, self-organized movement. Already we've seen the National Union of Students brought in as 'responsible leadership' to denounce the militant tactics that are actually capable of changing government policy. Thankfully, students at universities all across the UK already view the NUS as a top-down bureaucracy whose interests do not coincide with those of the students they supposedly represent. As struggle moves from universities to workplaces, trade unions will act the same way—controlling protest and struggle to keep it under their control. In all instances, workers and students must control their own struggles, make their own decisions, and always spread struggle across universities, workplaces, unions, and industries.

This was from another part of the leaflet:

Only by spreading and co-ordinating struggle between different elements of the working class will we create a movement capable of beating back the cuts. And it doesn't need to end there—life wasn't all peachy before the cuts, after all. Only a widespread class movement can ultimately create a different economy based not on profit for the few, but that instead functions to meet the needs and desires of the world's population.

It's from this thread, but never got published:

http://libcom.org/forums/organise/new-tea-break-planning-thread-27112010

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Dec 20 2010 10:15

Cheers mate, of course no offence taken, but i think i'm going to 'agree to disagree'. This is a leaflet that a wide range of people in the local anti-cuts coalition will be handing out - union activists, various SP and SWP, concerned ordinary Jo's - in a group where we are lucky enough to have the lib com wing of things as a respected senior partner (partly because we're the only ones doing anything at the moment).

I feel the risk of appearing gradualist or selling out is worth taking if it means there is a chance of convincing the rest of the local campaign to adopt an outlook that i agree with you a lot of working class people already have - Bristol group recently agreed a 'no cuts whatsoever' stance and that nearly split the coalition, so it shows how delicate things are.

Why am i so concerned about keeping the coalition happy? Because i desperately want to win this battle, and i don't think we can do it on our own - because i have been made aware of the horrific damage that is going to be done, and also because if i don't have a clear victory in a battle soon, i am going to start to get morbidly cynical about winning the war.

Cheers for posting links up, i'll see if there's anything we can use and nick it, and cheers again for taking the time to respond, i appreciate it.

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Dec 20 2010 10:18

cheers chilli sauce, just seen your comment. Looks good, and i'd definitely nick from it in other capacities, but again, for a 'coalition' leaflet i prefer the one we have written.

Cheers for posting it tho :0)

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Dec 20 2010 10:26

Mate, I do wish you the best of luck, but have you ever been in a broad left coalition before?

I moved to London from the States a few years back and it was my first experience living anywhere that had any sort of "Left" to speak of. I got involved in a bit of broad left stuff and even got active in my union. It didn't take long for me to be sorely disappointed. If anything, it's really sharpened my critique of Trade Unions, Trots, and old Labour, but it's also made me realize that what's not needed is a "movement" that unites the 5% of British Public who identify as socialists. Instead we need to build struggle across the working class. It will be that experience of struggle that politicizes those involved. The machinations, institutional interests, central committees, front groups, jargon, and sectarianism of the left will only inhibit that.

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Dec 20 2010 12:35

On concealing one's real views for the sake of 'unity';

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"An alliance concluded between two different parties turns to the advantage of the more reactionary of the two; this alliance necessarily enfeebles the more progressive party by diminishing and distorting its programme." - Michael Bakunin.

On 'unrealistic utopianism' being offputting to 'the masses'- promoting "pie-in-the-sky, impractical" ideas such as faith in nationalisation, electoralism etc are a clear example of utopianism.

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Dec 20 2010 12:58

Got the day off today, and its too snowy to go out - the perfect day for internet discussions! :0)

To be honest, you're right, i haven't been in many broad left coalitions, but my background is more in the broad left - i was a rep for the CWU when i worked in call centres, and before that i was 'just another number', getting high and surviving (or at least i thought so at the time). It was only in the last 6 years that i have started doing anything significant in the lib com area of politics.

Without blowing my own trumpet i've done a fair weight of stuff in the last 6 years, so when it comes to my local area, i'm fairly up to speed.

Almost all of this has been within a lib com aspected environment, and a fair weight of it has been aimed at increasing working class involvement in politics and developing solidarity: debt advocacy, anti-casualisation campaigns, various forms of 'outreach' from 'the anarchist ghetto', and other ways.

So, in my eyes, this has been attempts to build a struggle across the working class. Ok, only 6 years, could have worked harder ( the Rhyme of the Anarchist Organiser) , some successes, you never truly know the effect of what you are doing etc.etc.

But, my feeling at the end of 6 years is one of failure. The struggle has not been built up, and no other group in my area since Class War and the Poll Tax has managed to do it (and obviously there are a lot of critiques of both of those flying about).

I live in Bristol, seen by many as an area on the up in terms of lib com politics. Yet even here, despite a huge amount of effort by a lot of people, i would (controversially) rate our impact on the working class consciousness as barely registering. Of course, a lot of people are involved in struggles not aimed at impacting it, and so are succeeding in other ways, but i hope you get my drift.

So, i have developed a yearning to be part of something bigger, that will make a difference, whilst being fully aware of the dangers of doing this.

I may have been only kicking around for 6 years, but i've got mates who have been front and centre for decades. They have many tales of betrayal by Unions, trots, Militant, Labour - you name a group, and they've sold us out at some point, left us high and dry either politically (backstabbing, manoeuvering, subverting and capturing campaigns) or physically (not backing up at demos, giving info to the police, drawing support away to their own ends).

I am going into this with my eyes open. The group i belong to has debated our membership to the Anti-Cuts Alliance long and hard. Some are still unconvinced. But the decision we have reached is that it is better for us to join an alliance with the Old Left, with all the risks involved, EXPECTING a betrayal at some point, than try and do everything off our own backs, which we recognise we don't have the time or energy to do.

So, the way i see it, if i write this leaflet, and union reps and Old Labour lags agree with it, they will pay for it to be printed and help hand it out. If i write some of the leaflets that comrades on here have suggested, i am guessing they would block the printing of it and not help distribute it, because they would feel (however wrongly) that it was divisive or the wrong message. I might be wrong, but thats the feeling in my water.

Tactically, at this moment, I would rather help combat the myths that Labour overspending caused the crisis, that everyone is in it together, and that the cuts are the only way, than argue for self-organisation or call for a preparation for revolutionary action.

Tactically, at this moment, I would rather build a movement to force the richest 5% and large corporations to pay taxes to pay for the crisis, or even to nationalise the banks to recoup some money, than to argue there is no crisis, this is capitalist business as usual, and the only permanent solution is the working classes to reject politics entirely and build a better way on their own.

The reason i say both of these things is not because i think they are better ways of solving the problems, but because i judge that, with this issue, to get from A to D we need to go through B and C. On other issues, such as racism and migration, or global warming for example, i would think differently. On this, one, i think we need to go one step at a time.

Don't worry, i realise that the above leaves me wide open to all sorts of accusations, and may leave many of you to feel that i don't really belong on Libcom any more. But, as i said before, at this moment my personal priority is to stop the cuts happening - a huge task in itself, but possible, if we build a consensus in the working class communities that are going to be hardest hit.

If we are part of a coaltion, of (nearly) all sectors of society, involved in the dirty politics that it requires, i believe that makes it more possible to defeat the cuts proposals. If we do achieve the aim of stopping the cuts, of making the rich pay, i believe that working class consciousness would have been inevitably developed along the way.

If we act on our own, refusing to mitigate our demands, or the language we express them in, then i believe that we will become even more marginalised right at the time that our arguments should be entering the mainstream, and our aims should be becoming more achievable. Working class unity may not be advanced, or it may go off in a different way that we actually oppose (i've noticed the EDL pushing the class angle in the student demos for example).

You may not agree, but thats what i think. Anyways, enough from me. I would be very interested to hear what you and other people have to say on the 'sell out / act tactically' issue.

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So Ed already dealt with it, but on the tactics point:

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Tactically, at this moment, I would rather help combat the myths that Labour overspending caused the crisis, that everyone is in it together, and that the cuts are the only way, than argue for self-organisation or call for a preparation for revolutionary action.

I don't think this is either/or - it's quite possible to have a leaflet that only criticises the economic/political basis for the cuts without proposing any solution. For example http://libcom.org/library/frequently-asserted-fallacies-crisis-how-quash-them

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Tactically, at this moment, I would rather build a movement to force the richest 5% and large corporations to pay taxes to pay for the crisis

So this is roughly the line that UK Uncut takes in terms of targeting tax avoiding companies, but it's pretty clear that the government is absolutely not going to put much effort into this - in fact they're cutting the inland revenue staff by several thousand instead.

Now, the fact that billions of tax is avoided, and the government has no interest in it, is worth pointing out. As noted on another thread, the practical tactics and organisation that UK Uncut are using are interesting even if the actual message is a bit lacking.

However in terms of 'building a movement' - we know already that the government is not going to be passing major legislation to lower the top tax rate threshold, or charge the ftse 500 an additional levy, or even close many tax avoidance loopholes (although I'm sure they'll make some minor tweaks - any of which will likely be offset by the thousands of jobs being cut by Inland Revenue). This for two reasons - 1. because they think it's 'not fair' to tax high earners or successful corporations too much 2. because if they did, there would be even more capital flight from the UK than there is now.

Also, taxing high earners and corporations more, while it might make some people feel good, doesn't necessarily lead to less cuts - it could mean more spending on police, on PFI, on defense, on MP's expenses - on all kinds of things that I've got no interest in defending. The question of cuts is not really one of the actual amount of money allocated to different departments as a whole, but the material effects of those cuts in terms of job losses, pay freezes, reductions in services. i.e. if the cuts only meant that a load of councils cut down on PFI deals and highly paid consultants would anyone care? Of course they won't.

And to anyone who might read such a leaflet, it is the job losses, pay freezes and service cuts that are going to affect them, not the specific numbers of the budget cuts to any one department or how that money is found in the first place (VAT hike notwithstanding). So this isn't abstract, it's not revolutionary posturing, it's actually focusing on the real issues that will affect people rather than the bizarre abstractions of public policy, which so much of the Left likes to go on about.

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, or even to nationalise the banks to recoup some money,

Like Ed said, how will that recoup money? I'm not aware of Northern Rock being a net-win for government income yet.

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than to argue there is no crisis, this is capitalist business as usual

I don't think anyone's arguing this. Certainly I would put these cuts and austerity measures in a much wider context of retrenchment, but this is clearly a major cycle of attacks we're seeing at the moment, and it's one that is taking place internationally, and provoking international resistance from the working class (if patchily on both counts).

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, and the only permanent solution is the working classes to reject politics entirely and build a better way on their own.

And here I think you're misunderstanding what people are saying. It's quite possible to talk about self-organisation in terms of the university occupations, UK Uncut (despite it's limitations), the protests themselves, in terms of strike action etc. etc. without having to end a leaflet with "and that's why we need to oppose capitalism/have a revolution" etc. Managing our own struggles, avoiding representational politics, avoiding arguments around the management of capital - these are practical approaches to politics in the present, not long term goals - and they're reflected in the actual struggles people go through on a day-to-day basis, let alone historically.

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The reason i say both of these things is not because i think they are better ways of solving the problems, but because i judge that, with this issue, to get from A to D we need to go through B and C. On other issues, such as racism and migration, or global warming for example, i would think differently. On this, one, i think we need to go one step at a time.

The cuts are happening right now though - people are already losing their jobs. So the years and years it would take to get the tax system reformed (if it even happened, and if it really had anything to do with the cuts) are a bit late no? Shouldn't actual resistance to the cuts themselves be the current focus?

Or a shorter version:

Question: How can people facing cuts defend themselves against them?

Answer in the leaflet: Lobby the government to force corporations and rich individuals to pay more tax and/or nationalise the banks in the hope the extra money which might or might not be raised will be spent on the things being cut.

Rough paraphrase of what I'd hope the leaflet should say: Organise directly with other people affected by the cuts to cause as much disruption as possible, so that imposing the cuts becomes an extremely difficult process.

The leaflet wants a specific solution for capital, as an 'alternative' to what the coalition is doing. The latter doesn't propose any solution - it's their fault, they can figure it out - but simply does not accept the logic of capital at all, and is based on the idea that a massive increase in overt class struggle from our side usually forces concessions.

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may leave many of you to feel that i don't really belong on Libcom any more.

No, I don't think that's true at all. That said, you seem to have your mind made up. Fair enough, I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts in 3 or 6 months and see if they're the same. Like I said, for me, even though I knew the theoretical arguments, it was the experience in the Left that's led me to such an opposition to broad left initiatives.

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If we act on our own, refusing to mitigate our demands, or the language we express them in,

I don't know if that's what anybody's arguing tho, dude. I think we all agree on the need to be accessible and write coherent simple propaganda.

It think it's the content and means folks are concerned about. I agree it's the process of gaining concessions that builds consciousness (through the exercise of working class power). But how we frame and achieve those demands could place a limit on that consciousness--by building a movement that has nationalisation and pro-worker government as its aims, for example--and even lead that movement into the hands of left bureaucrats with their own personal, sectarian, institutional, and party interests.

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Good post MH.

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Yeah, so Boydell, I don't really want to overload you with comments, most of what needs to be said has already been said. Just on this though:

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But, my feeling at the end of 6 years is one of failure. The struggle has not been built up, and no other group in my area since Class War and the Poll Tax has managed to do it

I think it's easy to get disheartened.. I mean, the 90s were fucking terrible for radical politics, the working class etc in the UK.. the year I became involved in radical politics (2002) I think was the year with the single lowest number of work days lost to strike action in British history! And I think it's really only been in the last two or three years that this has started to change.. so in my opinion, it's senseless getting too down on 'your failure' in organising. I mean, it's not like The Left or the unions have done any better!

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Good points Chilli and especially Mike.

I'll try and deal with as many points as possible

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, or even to nationalise the banks to recoup some money,

Like Ed said, how will that recoup money? I'm not aware of Northern Rock being a net-win for government income yet.

Yep, agree, with hindsight this isn't worth having in as an option. When a 2nd draft is done i'll remove it and replace with something else.

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I don't think this is either/or - it's quite possible to have a leaflet that only criticises the economic/political basis for the cuts without proposing any solution. For example

Yep, we've also drawn one up like that, but i think it is important to offer a solution that people will see as possible, such as taxing the rich and corporations

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So this is roughly the line that UK Uncut takes in terms of targeting tax avoiding companies,

I don't agree with you here, as i think the proposal to tax the richest 5% is something very different, and introduces a class aspect to the conversation that UK Uncut doesn't.

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However in terms of 'building a movement' - we know already that the government is not going to be passing major legislation to lower the top tax rate threshold, or charge the ftse 500 an additional levy, or even close many tax avoidance loopholes

This is my central point i suppose: The government is not going to do anything, it will need to be forced. Once it has been forced, and has backed down, my gamble would be that this would lead to an increased political interest and an increased confidence in the power of the individual over the state. Again, its a gamble, but i would expect this to include a rejection of taxing the rich to pay for more police, PFI, defence, duck islands etc, and instead overseeing a reversal of planned cuts.

If a coalition was successful in forcing the government to tax its own constituency to reduce the deficit, rather than implementing cuts, it would be one of the biggest rebalancing of political power since Thatcher sent us all the other way. That wouldn't be an end in itself, (i have no interest in returning to the 1970's "status quo" ) but i believe that in such a political landscape the opportunities for further tilts towards lib com aims would be greater than now.

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Question: How can people facing cuts defend themselves against them?

Answer in the leaflet: Lobby the government to force corporations and rich individuals to pay more tax and/or nationalise the banks in the hope the extra money which might or might not be raised will be spent on the things being cut.

Depends on your definition of lobbying. If you define it as pressure on the government to change policy, then yes - and i would say that also covers what you are proposing as an alternative. The only other option than forcing change in the existing order is to build our own alternative - and you talk about amending the tax system taking too long! smile

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Rough paraphrase of what I'd hope the leaflet should say: Organise directly with other people affected by the cuts to cause as much disruption as possible, so that imposing the cuts becomes an extremely difficult process.

I totally agree with that as a strategy for action, and i would hope that this happens in individual public sector and other workplaces whatever else happens. In terms of organising in other ways, such as the student protests, this also has a role to play.

But this is not an aim - our aim should not be to put up a hard fight, make them battle for every penny of cuts. Our aim should be to force the government to back down and then to switch to a policy that we dictate to them. In order to do that we need to have a mass consensus as to what that should be, to avoid being painted as extremists, and from there easily dealt with. I think the policy that would gain the highest level of consensus, whilst still bringing about a sea-change in british politics, would be to cancel the cuts and tax the wealthy to pay off the debt.

Just my opinion, i don't know. But i am yet to see in this discussion a better rallying call, portrayed in terms as simple and as easy to draw a conclusion from, that would not alienate more than10% of the population (5% affected, 5% aspiring to be affected) and large corporations.

I know i'm coming across as a bit rigid, but thats only because i have been mulling this over for quite a while, and have questioned my thinking along the lines of what has been so far mentioned (altho in my head it wasn't so well put, or backed with so many quotes from Bakhunin).

I have handed out too many leaflets and participated in too many campaigns that were long on accuracy and ideology, but short on effect. A few of you have mentioned that it doesn't have to be one or the other, and i agree, but show me how the balance could be better, along with an example of where it has actually worked. I would obviously be very interested.

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Our aim should be to force the government to back down and then to switch to a policy that we dictate to them

A lot going on there, but I want to pick up on this point. This is what MH was talking about when he said, it's capital's mess, let them fix it; we should just fight for our interests. I don't think it's the place of the working class to propose solutions to capital (and doing so is one of the fundamental problems with the left).

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The only other option than forcing change in the existing order is to build our own alternative

It's the struggle itself that will build the alternative. We argue for and build an unmediated, self-managed movement that acts in the interests of the working class. Those are the sorts of experiences that lead to lib com ideas being widely diffused amongst the class.

Conversely, a movement that proposes solutions to capital and encourages government answers is going to have an entirely different dynamic--both in the short and long term.

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Just want to say quickly I think this is a really good discussion, I've really enjoyed reading this.. hope that doesn't jinx it and turn it into a flame war! smile

Anyway, Boydell, it looks like there's a lot of common ground here ("The government is not going to do anything, it will need to be forced." for instance).. but I guess the main difference is the view that there will be some central rallying cry/organisation that the anti-cuts movement will be based around.. perhaps (I don't know, I'm not inside your head) this is because you look to the anti-Poll Tax movement as a model for what such a movement would look like. But in my opinion, what we're opposing is so wide-reaching, so varied according locality, industry, even workplace that such a singular movement isn't possible..

So, for instance, when you write:

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Our aim should be to force the government to back down and then to switch to a policy that we dictate to them.

I'm imagining here some monolthic movement organisation that unites the working class against the cuts and then 'dictates' to the government a new policy for the crisis. Now, the problems for me here (beyond the fact that i don't think such an organisation/movement is possible) is that any organisation presenting an alternative economic proposal to the government would be co-opted, used to restrain local initiative (so as not to spoil the 'meaningful negotiations' over the proposals), become a base for local Labour politicians to draw support from etc.

Now, how I imagine an anti-cuts movement emerging/developing, would be that it would begin from the workplace/university/locality outward (depending on whether it were workers, students, unemployed, pensioners, whoever).. so they're cutting 50 people where you work, you organise against it, you then try to find others in your locality fighting similarly and you organise with them etc etc etc.. The aim of local area groups is to spread the struggles locally and to get people to take control of the struggles themselves (because let's be honest, the left and the unions WILL fuck them up, as they have fucked up almost every struggle against redundancies so far - Visteon, posties, public sector, take your pick..).

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In order to do that we need to have a mass consensus as to what that should be, to avoid being painted as extremists, and from there easily dealt with. I think the policy that would gain the highest level of consensus, whilst still bringing about a sea-change in british politics, would be to cancel the cuts and tax the wealthy to pay off the debt.

Again, I disagree (surprise surprise!).. I think rather than lefties (that includes me and you) getting the line right and trying to sell it to all and sundry and thereby encouraging struggle, consensus will arise from the struggles themselves.. so workers going on strike, students/unemployed kicking in Millbank's windows, blocking traffic etc will be what creates the consensus that these cuts are not inevitable. Showing people an alternative economic model might be good for canvassing people for elections but in my opinion, it's bloody useless for getting people to stand up and take the kind of action we're talking about..

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I have handed out too many leaflets and participated in too many campaigns that were long on accuracy and ideology, but short on effect. A few of you have mentioned that it doesn't have to be one or the other, and i agree, but show me how the balance could be better, along with an example of where it has actually worked. I would obviously be very interested.

Okay, so again I reckon this comes from a fundamentally different view of social movements and the power of leaflets.. I'm sure that if I knew more than half a language I could show you thousands of spot-on leaflets from obscure communist groups that were involved in successful struggles. But that doesn't mean that one caused the other. As for recent successful social movements, I guess recently you can go with the anti-CPE movement in 2006.. though again, that was a different context (one law, no recession etc) but still, people weren't proposing alternative labour reforms tongue

However, I would like to ask you the same question: where have the demands of the left/unions for nationalisation/welfare capitalism etc gotten anything of worth for the working class?

Oh fuck, this is so long! Anyway, well done if you made it to here without falling asleep/crying.. laters (potaters)..

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Ooh, also thought I'd post this here as it seems relevant.. Address to the workers and students of Europe by the Assemblie Generale of Gare de l'est in France..

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Yeah, this has been a good discussion. Boydell I don't think anyone would think that you don't belong here anymore!

I think basically we are coming from the same sort of angle.

Regarding the wording of the leaflet, my union branch at work has put out similar leaflets. I think it's pretty inevitable that union and Labour-linked anti-cuts groups will argue for that kind of thing. However, in meetings I have argued against it and said that we should look at things from the perspective of working class, and not from the perspective of trying to manage capital (as you can't manage capital in workers' interests. As outlined by Mike, if the government did undertake those measures then there would be capital flight which would lead to higher unemployment etc).

But of course, I am in a minority so that didn't happen. However, I think it's important to have the discussion still, and not lose a communist perspective altogether. And then I can put energy into trying to get out a working class perspective on cuts etc by other means (through libcom, supporting the Anarchist Federation etc).

Regarding pointing out that the government could avoid the cuts by taxing the rich more I think is completely fair enough from a propaganda point of view, as then you can basically ask "why are they not doing that?". But I think it is a mistake to demand the government do that thinking it would fix the problem.

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Thanks again Chilli and Ed and yep, i've enjoyed this debate as well, very interesting.

One that would probably be better to have face to face really, as i still think there's a lot of misunderstandings that would be a lot easier to avoid and correct that way, but time for face-to-face discussions has unfortunately become a luxury these days, it seems (for me anyway!)

I totally agree with you on nearly all of your post, and of Chilli's post. I think, unsurprisingly as an anarchist, that the goal of the revolution will be born out of the struggle, that no one 'mega-group' will or should form to make it happen, that local autonomous federated collectives will and should be the building blocks of a new way of doing things.

The issue for me, and where we disagree, is not 'what' but 'how'. For example, take the Bristol Anti Cuts Alliance. This could be seen as an attempt at a mega-group, and because of union involvement has real problems. Anyone who reads Bristol Indymedia will have already seen this happen pretty spectacularly, with the 'mega-row' over UNISON allegedly briefing their branches not to be involved, an allegation totally denied by them (you can tell how damaging it was by how careful I'm being with my words!)

But i believe you can also see the Bristol alliance as an autonomous local group, or at least it COULD be if we (lib com left) have a hand on the tiller along with the various other political and industrial organisations. We have already, i believe, had an effect in the decisions to structure the organisation as a series of federated groups, based on region or job group, similar to the IWW model.

At the moment this is almost irrelevant - after a big demo that showed a good level of solidarity (cops attacked a group of anarchos holding a sweary banner, and got pushed out by the rest of the demo including union members) the group is pretty dead. Things will probably pick up in the new year, when the unions and political parties will start looking to set the agenda, mirroring their national agendas.

At that point, if the national agendas are seen to conflict with the local actions and agendas, then there will be conflict. As we are an active part of that local group, with a good reputation for ideas and actions, we will have a chance to keep the focus local if we can, ultimately, bring results. At the same time we will offer a natural critique of top-down organising, imposed decisions without consultation, and a host of other ideas in a practical way that will chime with many non lib-commers in the alliance.

So, as you say,

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The aim of local area groups is to spread the struggles locally and to get people to take control of the struggles themselves (because let's be honest, the left and the unions WILL fuck them up, as they have fucked up almost every struggle against redundancies so far - Visteon, posties, public sector, take your pick..).

They WILL try to fuck it up, as there WILL be a clash between agendas. I agree this is inevitable at some point. But if we are a respected member of a local alliance, then we have a chance of persuading local political and union officials to stay committed to the local agenda, and for the group to stay an autonomous federation that will continue to attract local independent support. IF this could happen - and of course it is a massive if - we would have the basis for a large-scale experiment in non-hierarchical organisation and the beginning of ..... who knows.

If we stay out of the group, there is no 'IF' at all. The main organising group in the city will become a front for national political and industrial agendas.

If we form our own separate alliance, i believe we are just replicating the effort required to get a group off the ground, and if succesful would STILL inevitably have to have the conflict with the local union and political activists, but this time as 'them and us' rather than 'this wing and that wing'. No difference you may say, but i think, practically, there is.

We can try to help one naturally emerge from workplaces/universities/localities. As i said before, yep, we should try and do this anyway, as a long term political goal, and i think most of us do anyway (certainly in Bristol this has happened). The problem i have is that i don't believe that we have had much success on our own.

Lib coms aid the 'cutting edge' of any movement, going back to Grosvener Square in the 60's and beyond, but when it comes to initial organisation, promoting self-organisation and the consensus model often proves a model for inertia. Its right, definitely i believe, in theory and ultimately i believe it is the only way to get a solid grounding to go forward.

But, again, in my own limited experience i have found that, unfortunately, after the initial 'natural', action-orientated period of the group coming together, self-organisation takes too much time and effort to do right, and trying to do so ends up leeching strength from the movement as a whole, which ends up adding to a loss of direction. So, a good idea at the wrong time can sometimes be a bad thing.

Do i think that self-organisation is a good thing? Yes. Do i believe it should be a pre-requisite for us federating with any new group that forms? No. Do i think that the unions in their present form ultimately have a conservative agenda? Yes. Do i believe that any alliances with unions will therefore be useless? No.

Do i believe in taxation being the answer to our economic problems? No. Do i believe that taxing the rich rather than the poor is a step in the right direction? Yes, and at this moment in the Class War, a big one. Do i believe that enough people would support this simple call to make it a way of forcing the state to back away from cutting public services? 5 years ago - no, now - very possibly Yes.

Sorry, I know i've taken my traditional dogleg around the point, but i hope you still get what i mean, or at least the way i'm thinking. To spell it out: i think that an alliance with the traditional left is initially a good tactic, with our vitality compensating for their relative wealth of resources to make the relationship equal, and i am prepared to make tactical concessions to make that alliance work.

I believe this group could then become the basis of an autonomous local network that could federate with emerging social movements, in an 'accompanying' role, as per Staughton Lynd's concept (sorry, i've just realised i haven't made that bit at all clear before), encouraging the new movements to federate to the alliance.

The reason i think this is needed is for two reasons. I don't believe that the lib com movement on its own could build the strength or reputation quickly enough to make it happen, and i don't believe natural self-organisation works in new groups, due to cultural unfamiliarity with the methods involved (which have been systematically subverted over centuries to nurture obedience and fear).

I believe that in order to make this autonomous local network initially flourish, we will need to compromise on our initial aims, in order to function effectively within the coalition, to give us time and space to test and develop our own philosophy of organisation in a practical, relevant environment, and to earn greater support so that we can become more effective. To me, ideas plus reality equals politics, and so i would unashamedly call this politics.

You may call it entryism, vanguardism, trotskyism or a lot of other things we regard as underhand - i believe the difference is that we would not accept that the end justifies all means, we would never hide our true ideological beliefs, but we would accept that not all of them are practical or possible until other aims have been achieved.

To reflect this, the propaganda we produce should be political and tactical, aimed at bringing as many people into the alliance, and gaining consensus to move from A to B, and then hopefully on to C, and onwards to as close to Z as we can get to.

A lot of ifs and buts, from actually moving from A to B, to successfully resisting national agendas, to attracting new movements into the alliance, to the leaflet being politically and tactically effective. But i feel it is a plan that could succeed, both in stopping the cuts and in doing so creating a lib com ideology that is practical and successful, and therefore much more attractive to people naturally sympathetic to our aims.

Ok, that's another 2 hours burnt, so i think that will have to be my last significant post on here. I really have enjoyed it, and think that we have covered a lot of ground. I know i have come across as a bit intransigent, and haven't covered all the points that people have put to me, but i write streams of consciousness and have a tendancy to 'oxbow'! Again, i wish we could do it face to face in the mythical 'Lounge Bar' of legend, but its been a good substitute.

I'll still read responses but will leave it to others to answer them, or let them stand.

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Hey Boydell, cheers for the long, thought out post..

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If we form our own separate alliance, i believe we are just replicating the effort required to get a group off the ground, and if succesful would STILL inevitably have to have the conflict with the local union and political activists, but this time as 'them and us' rather than 'this wing and that wing'. No difference you may say, but i think, practically, there is.

Yeah, fair enough, it is really daunting - not just getting a group off the ground but even just looking at the task in front of us (opposing the cuts).. and yeah, this possibility of local conflict with the national agenda is a strong one. Ultimately, only you can make the final decision based on the specific character of the local scene (i.e. how hackish are your leftists?, how much influence does your 'wing' have? etc) which no one on the internet can really answer..

The only thing I would say would be to keep an eye on how much you compromise, especially if you and other libertarians are doing so much of the leg work. You don't want to find yourself working your arse off, compromising all over the place, only to find that actually the left hasn't compromised at all and that you guys are essentially being used for 'outsourcing' their grunt work (cheap libertarian labour for leftists! wink ).. not saying that is or will happen, just that it should be watched out for..

Anyway, all the best with everything and keep us updated with how things develop in Bristol!