Postal workers' national strikes, 2007

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Mike Harman
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Oct 10 2007 14:05

More going on - as well as the late start provocations, RM may also take all four days wages out of one wage packet (i.e. this week's) - not sure if this is standard or not but either way the two combined looks like a starve-back attempt.

More bits and pieces - they're stopping people taking tea breaks within certain hours, enforcing particular meal times, lots of petty shit - all this morning.

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Oct 10 2007 14:36
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Isn't that the third time SW16 has walked on a wildcat since this started?

angry Yeah! Don't they know they're infringeing on the individual liberty of the 19119 postal workers who voted against the strike!?

lol - only joking!

No, the reason I mentioned it is because I worked there for five years. It was reasonably 'militant' back then. It was the first office to walk out again after the 1989 national strike.

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Oct 10 2007 16:35

Discussion about East London events this morning and whether it should go all out unofficial here: http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=63570#63570

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Oct 10 2007 16:39

Glasgow went back in after four hours - Branch and area rep had (from the look of it completely pointless) discussions with manager, but persuaded workers to go back anyway - because it "might jeapordise the offical strikes and force a reballot" etc. etc.

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Oct 10 2007 16:44
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No, the reason I mentioned it is because I worked there for five years. It was reasonably 'militant' back then. It was the first office to walk out again after the 1989 national strike.

Wasn't gesting about your bringing it up Dev - just wasn't feeling particularly serious earlier.

What do you think is different about SW16 then?

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Oct 10 2007 17:03

Glasgow and Liverpool have been out at least twice as well, Burslem (Stoke on Trent) several times now. There's clearly some offices that are much more willing to walk out, and stronger on the job as well. Fortunately most of these are also in the city centres so can jam up most of the less militant offices.

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Oct 10 2007 17:19
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What do you think is different about SW16 then?

Nothing, as Catch says other places have been out at least twice. It could be down to many things.

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Oct 10 2007 17:37

http://libcom.org/news/royal-mail-battle-plans-leaked-10102007

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Oct 10 2007 18:01

[anecdotal tangent]
grrr just had a foretaste of the 'consumer-friendly private sector efficiency' they've got planned if this strike is lost. ordered something off the net, was sent by a private courier, but they insist on a signature even though the item's only worth a fiver, and only deliver during working hours. phoned them to try and authorise them to leave it on the doorstep, was put on hold for half an hour, someone, clearly rushed off their feet answered, and asked me to hold, waited another 15 minutes then they picked up and hung up. now the item will be redelivered when i'm not in, despite this being known in advance, then returned to their apparently understaffed depot in the arse-end of sussex somewhere which is no doubt cheaper to rent than Royal Mail's town centre one. When i don't go and collect it from somewhere i've never heard of since petrol/train would cost way more than the shitty item in question, it will be returned to sender. ffs bourgeois 'efficiency' sucks ass, must be pretty shit to work for too angry
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Oct 10 2007 18:47

The discussion on royalmailchat was interesting,especially the post by left789 describing the meetings; there were however a number of expressions of fear about breaking out of the official framework, perhaps the majority of posts were like that.
It's difficult to assess the overall dynamic of this movement. Prior to today's wildcats I had the feeling that it was being sown up and that the suspension of the strike in the summer had been a very serious blow to the tendency for workers to take independent action, but the new walk-outs pose further questions.
We've done an article for the new paper - http://en.internationalism.org/wr/308/postal-strike - but it's already a bit out of date. Hopefully you will shortly get an update from our man on the spot up north.
I don't know whether this is the place to raise this, but what's the thinking about the new Dispatch in the light of these events?

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Oct 10 2007 20:25

Streatham similar discussion although more in favour of all out: http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5895&highlight=

Dispatch discussion should go on Dispatch thread I think, keep this for updates/discussion specifically about the post. Our postal colleague is probably caught up in this so that may have either positive or negative effects on him meeting deadlines.

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Oct 11 2007 09:06
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BBC breaking news
Liverpool staging a sit-in - police called.
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Oct 11 2007 11:12

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7038899.stm

Includes SE London - could mean whole of London by the end of today.

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Oct 11 2007 11:22
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BBC breaking news
Liverpool staging a sit-in - police called.

Damn...

One thing with this - the strikes are holding up ballot papers for 850,000 Unison members in local govt, myself included. If it goes all-out I don't know what we'll do. I dunno if the PCS ballot is postal as well, or if it's workplace based. Unison strike was proposed for 14-15 November.

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Oct 11 2007 11:23

Offices on unoffical strike,SW4,5,6,7,10,15,16,17, Nine Elms Mail Centre,distribution hubs at SW11 and SW19.

Mike Harman
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Oct 11 2007 14:07

Two offices in Chester out this morning as well. Looks like it's building up rather than slowing down so far.

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Oct 11 2007 14:21

wow! I would've thought it'd slow down before going along with the staggered strikes before, so they put on pressure while losing less money. Guess they want to win fast.

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Oct 11 2007 14:36

I think Royal Mail is deliberately provoking this - not sure whether the strike dates or executive action were announced first, but either both management and CWU leadership must've known this was going to happen. Could equally have happened the same way as the last round with suspensions due to rolling-strike pickets though. Opinion on RMC is very much split - a lot don't want unofficial action, at all - a lot of those comments are along the undisciplined, public support - usual union lines, and a few 'can't afford it' (which is more valid I think given relative cheapness of rolling action).

I think the question is if they go all out will they be left on their own - answer to that is unfortunately likely to be yes.

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Oct 11 2007 15:30
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I think Royal Mail is deliberately provoking this

That was my first thought as well - that by doing this they might go all-out before the rolling strikes, and so get "starved" back to work defeated. Whereas the rolling ones they can afford to do for a long time

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I think the question is if they go all out will they be left on their own - answer to that is unfortunately likely to be yes.

definitely. other strikes won't start for a while, and by law they'll be separate anyway.

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Oct 11 2007 18:44
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LONDON STRIKES UPDATE.
No resolution today issues have got worse,all offices will have sanctions against them. Management will act against individuals they believe to lead strikes. Diversions will happen. It is clear they want to break the union and make us all subserviant to their demands.More offices across London to be called out from tomorrow.

SW are out a few SE went out today as well,and E are out.
Chances are the whole of London could be out tomm.

East London Mail Centre out "200 on picket line".

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Oct 11 2007 23:10

RM have taken 4 days pay of this week's wages http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6062&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 despite posties only being out 1-2 days last week (then two this week).

So there's definitely some starving back attempts going on. Seems like with everything else going on it will just piss people off more and harden resolve, but hard to tell how long that will last.

Also at least two places there's been stopped/pay suspensions for not crossing unofficial picket lines, so a good chance this will get bigger tomorrow at least: http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6135
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6144

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Oct 12 2007 02:22

A mass meeting in Liverpool, today (Friday) at 2pm?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7037419.stm

BBC wrote:
Postal workers who are currently staging wildcat strikes across Liverpool are to hold a mass meeting.
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It is thought that strike action will continue on Friday and between 500-1000 postal workers will attend the meeting at 1400 BST.

Probably a purely union initiative but still seems interesting..

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Oct 12 2007 04:27

Signed up, catch. Cheers for the links.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=6590394#post6590394

http://www.meanwhileatthebar.org/bar/forums/viewtopic.php?p=555372#555372

The journos are a constant feature on urban, might as well have a say as well as encouraging some solidarity from (eg) the RMT.

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Oct 12 2007 07:12
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Offices at N2,3,6,8,12,13,14,16,19,20.21 ARE NOW OUT.

Dunno about West London but that's pretty much the whole lot now otherwise.

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Oct 12 2007 09:07
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Offices at N2,3,6,8,12,13,14,16,19,20.21 ARE NOW OUT.

Dunno about West London but that's pretty much the whole lot now otherwise.

damn...

Firefighters in London now threatening strikes over health pensions as well

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Oct 12 2007 09:20

every liverpool office now out - newsflash 8.30 (all updates via royalmailchat.co.uk)

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Oct 12 2007 10:43
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Just came off the picket line. As far as i know the strike is spreading in london.
More of East london's offices have come out and now a large number of offices
in SW, SE, and North london have joined us. I have also heard that Greenford
Bristol and Leicester mailcentres have come out.
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Oct 12 2007 10:49
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IM IN SCOTLAND WE WERE TOLD THAT LIVINGSTON D.O WERE OUT AND THAT DALKEITH WERE TOO..AND A FEW IN FIFE ALSO...NOT SURE IF ITS JUST RUMOURS THOUGH OUR UNION UP HERE DONT SEEM TO KNOW MUCH THEN AGAIN WHATS NEW..
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Oct 12 2007 12:58

More scotland updates:

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Edinburgh, Fife, Livingston, Dalkeith, Grangemouth, Kilwinning all out.

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Oct 12 2007 15:29

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7038899.stm

The Royal Mail is heading to the High Court for an injunction to halt next week's official postal workers' strike.

Royal Mail says an irregularity in the way the strike notice was issued makes the action illegal.

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