I read the thread you linked on jobs 'after the revolution', twice now. Noone seemed clear if it meant post-revolution or just how those jobs could be improved now. I made a big list of the comments on the education industry.
- smaller class sizes
- Less rigid timetables
- Less exams
- Freedom to choose which subjects to do (not clear whether this refers to kids or teachers)
- Keep subject specialisms
- Keep age divisions
- Stigma removed from people who work at a slower pace
- Less bureacracy and managers
- Less judgements on pupils and staff, unless sought, and then it should be constructive
- No people who hate kids
- No uniforms or staff dress codes
- School open to everyone to use facilities
- Schools might specialise depending on community and workplace
- Teachers still teach but also facilitate
- Parents allowed to come in and work with kids
- More practical activities
- Much less paperwork for teachers
jef costello wants:
- Cut teachers hours
- Less teaching hours to allow teachers more lesson planning time
- More trips
- More visits from people in the community
- Combine lessons with other disciplines
- Schools should stay
- Classrooms should have more resources
- Schools should be more open to the community
- Targets should go
- Less exams
- More choice for students
- Compulsory language studies
- Interesting teaching methods
- Teaching should be enjoyable, rewarding, and useful
- Children have the right and need to an education
- Society is obligated to provide that education
stateless crow wants:
- More funding
- Less testing
- More non teaching time, and more learning time, for teachers
- More trips
- Smaller classes
- More non-lesson time for kids
- Kids in committees with elected delegates etc
- Workers self management
- Kids and parents have more of a say in how schools operate
- Ecologically practical and fun buildings
- Education landscapes that provide resources
- Pro-social ecologically sound communal activity
- Collective socialisation for kids
- People who specialise in helping kids learn and
- Collective supervision of kids
- Schools of a sort still exist
- Specialists in different fields involved in
- Schools less defined by location
- No division between study and play
- Adults from all parts of the community cooperating
to teach kids
- No management, local authority meddling, testing
lettersjournal made some points, which I thought were mostly fair, about it all being reformist and therefore not revolutionary, and was accused of:
- 'uncharitable' reading
- being 'touched in the head'
- of having an agenda
- of imagining things
- of not reading the posts properly
- of trying to fit what was said into their own 'little narrative'
- intentional misreading
- that nothing they write would be taken seriously.
But the lists are reformist. Stateless crow's ideas seemed to move furthest away from schooling, into just community spaces, with childcare facilities.
I didnt straw man you about old-school schooling - you said modern schooling was rubbish, it wasnt clear if you thought it used to be better, or if it had always been crap but might still have potential - so I tried for clarification.
I dont think that reformism, by people working within a system, in response to what they experience there, to use their limited power to improve that system, is in itself a bad thing.
I think we are miscommunicating because we understand words differently - schooling and education are not synonymous to me, for one thing. A lot of what you have said seems well intended, but I cant help but see a lot of assumptions and that makes me want to ask questions. Youre into science, so you get that, right?
So far youve twice accused me of straw-manning you and of not reading your linked post and its comments, and youve accused me of making deliberately misleading interpretations. I dont want you to feel like everything I say is a personal attack, and I definitely dont want to be insulted in retaliation. For me this is like talking to someone who believes in God but wants the church to be a bit nicer, and maybe to you im just someone with an anti-education agenda who hates teachers and wants to disparage your work. So thats that really, lets not waste each others time.