school ban on smoking

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Jun 11 2012 22:39
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stateless_crow wrote:
If you did organise around it and it became a popular cause at your school smoking would become seen as cool and a statement against authority when in fact it is anti-social and serves to enrich tobacco barons and destroy the health of workers and waste their money on pointless shit.

And all of the things that non smokers spend their money on instead of tabacco doesnt enrich the capitalist class? where does your electricity petrol electronics and everything else come from? your food? Your advocating drop out/self sufficiency lifestyle politics not libcommunism.

Woah there, I might smell like a hippy but don't read too much into that comment. I'm not saying 'boycott tobacco and grow your own tofu'. I'm a smoker, I don't know how to grow tofu. Obviously under capitalism lots of stuff makes the bastards rich.

I still say don't promote smoking by making it the cause which is associated with radical politics at your school. I don't want to (and I hope I didn't) make any point in favour of lifestyle politics but some things we buy are genuinely useful and others are addictive health destroying substances that do nothing but make someone else rich at your expense. I see the logic of the arguments to the contrary but I still don't think organising around the right to smoke in schools is the best course of action for a fellow comrade who is eager to make the most of their organising energies. I got addicted to smoking at school, I regret that.

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Jun 11 2012 22:49
doam wrote:
Honestly though, I don't understand most of what you posted (for instance: where did free will come from?) but I think recognizing personal reasons for doing things is important.

Saying that everything you I do is just the result of a complex collection of deep seeded psychological desires and experiences instead of as a being who's choices come from free will

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Jul 3 2012 12:11

here Iexist, came across this when I was looking for books online, thought you might get something from it:
http://www.studentliberation.com/main-resistance.html

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Jul 3 2012 16:30
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Just do it anyway? What are they going to do about it?

Yeah this is actually the point. If there is a strong and pissed off smoking contingent at your school, then presumably they'll flout the new rule and then get disciplined for it, which is when you can be useful, organising their mates to do things in support of them. Some ideas:

-an impromptu demo outside the headmaster's office while they're being bollocked

-walkout from classes

-a Spartacus-style thing where ALL the smokers collectively light up in the old place, challenging the school to discpline all of them (careful with this one though, might be hard to garner support from non-smokers. I'd probably hate all of them cos I'm an asthmatic. wink )

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Jul 5 2012 21:07

The problem is my school is tiny (100 kids) and the kids can just go to the deli and smoke, but only the seniors can smoke all day.

arf
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Jul 6 2012 11:09

you must be so bored to claim to want to run a campaign so that some other kids can walk a little less far to have a smoke, and then find excuses to do nothing anyway.

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Jul 6 2012 15:14

Boredom, or wanting to get of his ass and start organizing and trying to start his theory into practice. Yes some of us can sit from our high horses of experience and knowledge of historic struggles and say oh you should not be organizing around this or that, but at least he wants to do something.

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Jul 6 2012 15:37
arf wrote:
you must be so bored to claim to want to run a campaign so that some other kids can walk a little less far to have a smoke, and then find excuses to do nothing anyway.

I just found out about the deli yesterday.

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Jul 6 2012 15:40

Habitat for Humanity is big in my area, it has a large youth segment, would it be a good idea to work with them and try to push them in a more radical direction?