Take Back the Night, Ipswich

Jess "Go back to Myspace and TKmaxx with your bullshitter friends."
Posts: 1817 Joined: 26-11-04 Location: Brighton
Submitted by Jess on 14 December, 2006 - 15:16.

This idea has been mentioned on other threads, and now that I've spoken to some other people about it I think it will probably happen soon.

Basically I've been speaking to someone from Ipswich who's really up for it. He's been talking about it on other websites (indymedia etc) and has got a very positive response. He says he's going to go round the brothels in Ipswich within the next couple of days to talk to some prostitutes about it.

This will be a mixed, not female only, event. If anyone has issues with that we can discuss it here.

One concern thats been raised is that TBtN would take up police resources when they are at the moment badly needed elsewhere. To that I'd say the whole point is that this doesn't need chaperoning, but then I don't know anything about organising protests, do official protests have to have police escorts? Does this have to be an 'official' protest?

Also it'd be nice if we can use this thread to start thinking about the demands that should be made by the protest.

Please post any 'constructive criticism' here, and you can email anything non-offensive to ipwichqueers [AT] yahoo.co.uk

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Steven. "not online much for a while"
Posts: 1516 Joined: 27-06-06 Location: London
14 December, 2006 - 15:21

I wouldn't've thought it'd put a strain on socially useful police resources really, I'd think they'd have separate public order police, and something like that probably wouldn't need any chaperone. Police don't have to be at all demonstrations AFAIK. Though they probably would be present for this...

As for demands, well it's difficult to think of anything concrete, other than just a general gesture of defiance against violence against women. Also it looks like all the women killed were drug addicts, which is what pulled them into the trade, so there is some potential legalisation angle there, but pretty obscure...

Joseph K. "the thinking man's idiot"
Posts: 7666 Joined: 14-03-06 Location: Brighton
14 December, 2006 - 15:22
Jess wrote:
do official protests have to have police escorts?

if you can persuade them you'll have enough bibbed stewards and have done a health and safety risk assessment (!), and your demands are non-radical, then the police presence will be token.

Jess wrote:
Does this have to be an 'official' protest?

tactical call. there'll be terrible press if it isn't, all sorts of logistical problems if it is neutral

madashell "KSW, LOL"
Posts: 2997 Joined: 19-06-06 Location: Merseyside
14 December, 2006 - 15:26

You might wanna break that e-mail addy there, otherwise it'll get spammed to fuck.

Sounds like a decent idea to me, though I'm unlikely to travel to Ipswhich for it wink

Using this to promote initiatives like the IUSW would be a good idea, I reckon.

http://www.iusw.org/start/index.html

Steven. "not online much for a while"
Posts: 1516 Joined: 27-06-06 Location: London
14 December, 2006 - 15:30
madashell wrote:
Using this to promote initiatives like the IUSW would be a good idea, I reckon.

http://www.iusw.org/start/index.html

Good call, you should definitely contact them to get feedback. Ot would also be worth getting in touch with $pread magazine - a radical sexworkers mag based in new york.

ticking_fool
Posts: 551 Joined: 12-03-05 Location: UK, Liverpool
14 December, 2006 - 17:11

Might be worth getting in touch with this lot (http://www.prostitutescollective.net/). I've no idea who they are, but they seem to be the talking heads of choice for the BBC at the moment so if you're after publicity, or even smoothing things with the police a bit, they could be useful.

madashell "KSW, LOL"
Posts: 2997 Joined: 19-06-06 Location: Merseyside
14 December, 2006 - 17:55

Hmm, I've heard some not good things about the ECP, like that there aren't actually any prostitutes involved in it. This is all second hand though, so it could be bollocks.

tumble-weed
Posts: 95 Joined: 22-11-04
14 December, 2006 - 19:24

Friends,

After the bodies of 5 sex workers were found murdered within 10 days of each other and the police advising women to stay at home we call you to...

********RECLAIM THE NIGHT - 29TH DECEMBER - 7PM ONWARDS - IPSWICH TOWN HALL STEPS**********

WE HAVE COMRADES VISITING ARRIVING FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO SHOW THEIR LOVE AND SOLIDARITY; IF YOU ARE ABLE TO OFFER TRANSPORT OR WOULD LIKE IT PLEASE CONTACT US AND WE WILL TRY OUR HARDEST TO ORGANISE LIFT SHARES ETC.

IF YOU REQUIRE ACCOMODATION BEFORE OR AFTER LET US KNOW ASAP AND IT WILL BE PROVIDED (THOUGH THE QUALITY MIGHT NOT BE GREAT!)

PLEASE BRING BANNERS, FOOD TO SHARE, YOUR THOUGHTS, EXPERIENCES, LOVE, FRIENDS.

****THIS WILL NOT BE RESTRICTED TO A WOMEN ONLY EVENT****

TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW!

FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT ipswichqueers[AT]yahoo.co.uk

(if you are planning on coming; it would be wonderful if you could contact us so we can get an idea of numbers)

For those in the Ipswich Area we DESPERATELY need your help in organising this potentially mammoth event; please meet us at Cafe Direct, Suffolk College at 7pm Monday 18th December (for directions use the above numbers)

tumble-weed
Posts: 95 Joined: 22-11-04
14 December, 2006 - 21:17

Can this be made sticky please?

Steven. "not online much for a while"
Posts: 1516 Joined: 27-06-06 Location: London
15 December, 2006 - 11:13
tumble-weed wrote:
Can this be made sticky please?

Stickies aren't very good really - I'd just post again in Announcements.

madashell wrote:
Hmm, I've heard some not good things about the ECP, like that there aren't actually any prostitutes involved in it. This is all second hand though, so it could be bollocks.

Yeah that prostitutes collective I think are linked to the Crossroads Womens Centre, who are pretty Stalinist. Can't remember which communist party think they're linked to though, if any.

Jess "Go back to Myspace and TKmaxx with your bullshitter friends."
Posts: 1817 Joined: 26-11-04 Location: Brighton
15 December, 2006 - 12:43

We've been condemned!

London Feminist Network wrote:
Reclaim The Night is a Feminist event, that is a title
with a herstory which should not be used for events
which are not in keeping with the Feminist women-only
tradition of that name... If it is mixed then potentially you could be marching
along next to the murderer of these young women - who
I'm sure would think it was very clever to take part
in such an event

They're doing their own womens only one in January roll eyes

Jack "In it for spite"
Posts: 9898 Joined: 22-09-03 Location: Brighton
15 December, 2006 - 12:47

...You made that up, right?

revol68 "MILF Hunter"
Posts: 17240 Joined: 23-02-04 Location: Belfast
15 December, 2006 - 12:49
Jess wrote:
We've been condemned!

London Feminist Network wrote:
Reclaim The Night is a Feminist event, that is a title
with a herstory which should not be used for events
which are not in keeping with the Feminist women-only
tradition of that name... If it is mixed then potentially you could be marching
along next to the murderer of these young women - who
I'm sure would think it was very clever to take part
in such an event

They're doing their own womens only one in January roll eyes

You are pretty out of order Jess, I mean do youse really think it sends out a positive message when you have men showing opposition to violence against prostitutes and women in general?

Afterall you could be walking beside the murderer.

I take these clowns have stopped mingling with all their male relations and friends on the basis that they might be mingling with the murderer?

Steven. "not online much for a while"
Posts: 1516 Joined: 27-06-06 Location: London
15 December, 2006 - 12:49
London Feminist Network wrote:
herstory

roll eyes

Jack "In it for spite"
Posts: 9898 Joined: 22-09-03 Location: Brighton
15 December, 2006 - 12:51

Do they even know the murderer is a man yet?

revol68 "MILF Hunter"
Posts: 17240 Joined: 23-02-04 Location: Belfast
15 December, 2006 - 12:52

actually i've had a think, Jess is just winding up? No?

I mean why is it okay for me to go march for abortion rights but not against violence to women?

stinkerbell
Posts: 171 Joined: 01-02-05
15 December, 2006 - 12:54
Jess wrote:
We've been condemned!

London Feminist Network wrote:
Reclaim The Night is a Feminist event, that is a title
with a herstory which should not be used for events
which are not in keeping with the Feminist women-only
tradition of that name... If it is mixed then potentially you could be marching
along next to the murderer of these young women - who
I'm sure would think it was very clever to take part
in such an event

They're doing their own womens only one in January roll eyes

Is this for real? For fucks sake...
Probably won't be able to make this, but good luck with it all and I hope that loads of men (sorry, potential rapists)make it along to show their support too.

revol68 "MILF Hunter"
Posts: 17240 Joined: 23-02-04 Location: Belfast
15 December, 2006 - 12:54
Jack wrote:
Do they even know the murderer is a man yet?

good point, though let's be honest it's 95% likely to be man.

stinkerbell
Posts: 171 Joined: 01-02-05
15 December, 2006 - 12:56
revol68 wrote:
Jack wrote:
Do they even know the murderer is a man yet?

good point, though let's be honest it's 95% likely to be man.

True. I therefore plan on only talking to 5% of my male friends, and 95% of my female ones, and expext to see LFN doing the same.

jef costello "Beautiful, just like Nuremburg"
Posts: 9185 Joined: 09-02-06 Location: Self-flagellation: bad for the skin, good for the soul
15 December, 2006 - 12:56
revol68 wrote:
Jack wrote:
Do they even know the murderer is a man yet?

good point, though let's be honest it's 95% likely to be man.

No evidence of rape, couldn't possibly have been a man.

revol68 "MILF Hunter"
Posts: 17240 Joined: 23-02-04 Location: Belfast
15 December, 2006 - 12:58
jef costello wrote:
revol68 wrote:
Jack wrote:
Do they even know the murderer is a man yet?

good point, though let's be honest it's 95% likely to be man.

No evidence of rape, couldn't possibly have been a man.

well in that case it's clearly a male identified women and therefore we should ban men and any woman with cropped hair or a husky voice.

Jack "In it for spite"
Posts: 9898 Joined: 22-09-03 Location: Brighton
15 December, 2006 - 12:58

Yea I'd he astonished if it wasn't a man.

But still, what a bunch of fucking mentalists, I really hope Jess *is* winding us up.

If not, does anyone else have any experience with these headcases?

revol68 "MILF Hunter"
Posts: 17240 Joined: 23-02-04 Location: Belfast
15 December, 2006 - 13:00

I never thought they existed anymore, i thought it was just the residue they left behind we had to deal with in varying degrees.

Jess "Go back to Myspace and TKmaxx with your bullshitter friends."
Posts: 1817 Joined: 26-11-04 Location: Brighton
15 December, 2006 - 13:29

I didn't make it up, I did crop some bits out of the email so that only the worst/best bits were left. They had one semi-salient point which was that the point of the march was to show that women don't need escorting by men - but seeing as the official police line is for women to stay in groups (NOT just to have a male chaperone) this doesn't make sense, and personally I'd rather the march was about everyone marching together in solidarity against violence against women anyway. The bastards.

I hope all you men are going to show up to this, imagine how annoyed the LFN will be! cool

powertotheimagi...
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15 December, 2006 - 13:39

Why the rolled eyes for herstory, I think its great.

Joseph K. "the thinking man's idiot"
Posts: 7666 Joined: 14-03-06 Location: Brighton
15 December, 2006 - 13:41

well for one the etymology of 'history' isn't gendered, iirc

revol68 "MILF Hunter"
Posts: 17240 Joined: 23-02-04 Location: Belfast
15 December, 2006 - 13:44

i don't care if the words gendered or not i'm get one back for the cocks, youse don't have a monopoly on dissident theology y'know, i'm a himetic!

Steven. "not online much for a while"
Posts: 1516 Joined: 27-06-06 Location: London
15 December, 2006 - 13:45
Joseph K. wrote:
well for one the etymology of 'history' isn't gendered

That's correct, it's not related to the word "his"; it's coincidence.

BB "Insurectionists suck donkey cock!"
Posts: 1482 Joined: 12-08-04 Location: Brighton
15 December, 2006 - 13:59
Jess wrote:
We've been condemned!

London Feminist Network wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.

They're doing their own womens only one in January roll eyes

WTF!

winjer "holocene death beat"
Posts: 80 Joined: 04-05-04 Location: London
15 December, 2006 - 14:06
John. wrote:
I wouldn't've thought it'd put a strain on socially useful police resources really, I'd think they'd have separate public order police

There's no such thing in any UK force, all the TSGs/TAGs ('riot cops') are used for many other things, including the type of many-bodies-few-brains searches and door-to-door inquiries that a large investigation like this will involve - it might not actually be useful, but the march could be presented as putting additional strain on it.

revol68 "MILF Hunter"
Posts: 17240 Joined: 23-02-04 Location: Belfast
15 December, 2006 - 14:09

not true in Northern Ireland we have special DSU units, renowned for being full of macho twats who've been stuck in a landrover all day just waiting for something to kick off, even the other cops think they are wingnuts.

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