What Should Have Been Done in Wisconsin?

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May 6 2011 16:07
What Should Have Been Done in Wisconsin?
syndicalist wrote:
I honestly have all the respect in the world for folks in the IWW, but I thought it was kinda sad that, after all these years, the best that folks could say in WI was "build the general strike".
Juan Conatz wrote:
Unfortunately, like I said before, the IWW often acts like a political-economic organization that has never actually talked about what that means. There's no strategy on dual carding, and there is no strategy in operating within mass movements as a minority. The latter is something many IWW branches who do not do workplace organizing fall into anyway.

Additionally that phrase wasn't the only thing we said. We tried to give examples of job actions and give people the organizing tools and concepts to these to the best of our very limited ability.

My question to you is, what would an anarchist political organization (who were all absolutely irrelevant in WI, I'd like to point out...) do in this situation? I've thought about this quite a bit actually. And I really don't know if any could have done much more or different. In fact, due to what I see as the lack of emphasis on organizing skills in the anarchist political organizations, one might have done much worse.

syndicalist wrote:
I mean the IWW folks on the ground were doing tremdendous work, day and night. Word and respect. But the call for militant action, without other demands, speaks volumes to the waekness of a number of other issues.... not just with building the IWW as a distinct organ in heavily unionized situations, but to the need to attach demands for miliatnt action with some sort of concrete demands (fight the concessions, build inter-departmental solidarity between rank-and-file members, emphasize direct action against the demands by the mainstream for political action and so forth).
Juan Conatz wrote:
Well, as a militant minority, I don't see the point of making demands. That's something that's made by a wider movement, and it didn't really get to that point. That type of thing requires mass assemblies, on the job actions building up, etc. I don't believe in propping up some list of demands and building everything around that.

There's 20 groups out there, all forming their lists of demands, which are absolutely meaningless. I'm more of a 'demand nothing' type though, or at least I'm coming around to it. Far more important is the ability to disrupt the economy and business as usual. Also, there's no need for demands if it's already understood what you want.

So, what should revolutionaries have been doing in Wisconsin? (Or what should be done in the next struggle that arises similarly?) With limited numbers and a small budget, what kind of concrete steps could have been taken to extend workers' solidarity farther than it went?

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May 6 2011 22:12

Errrr,,,, I was just about ready to finalize my reply to the original conversation here: http://libcom.org/forums/organise/political-economic-dual-carding-03052011. yeah, I'll just do that.

Upon second thought.....one thing.

I don't ultimately think Juan and I would disagree about what could have been done in WI, from a libertarian workers' point of view. Do we differ over some stuff, yes, of course. But I would agree say that the Madison IWW was the only group --- on our side of the coin --- that was there. Local folks and those who came into Madision prolly did the best they could and then some.

Additionally, I don't think --- in the long run --- without some form of organic connections to the struggle can "we" have an effect. Obviously members of Madison IWW live and work there and were/are key to making things happen.

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May 8 2011 07:15

In regards to the thread title: It's obviously something I've been thinking about a lot. So much so that I even started a tumblr to wrestle with some of the questions.

But overall, given the situation, numbers of people on the ground and resources, we did all that we could. I think some things could have been better planned, but even that ties into number of people doing things and resources. If you have 5 solid people doing something, if they are doing 40 other things, certain stuff is gonna suffer or not be as good as it could be. That's just life.

But I guess, for the future, in my opinion things that should be done better

-Do not concentrate on pressuring union staff or official bodies into passing resolutions or acting in a certain way. Organize independently as if the union is irrelevant. In any case, a general strike probably could not have come officially from the mainstream unions.

-Encourage mass assemblies, get conversation between workers going, fight against the onslaught of 'talking to' events and promote 'talking amongst' spaces, while having a strategy or plan for them.