Defy Tesco article in Direct Action

Submitted by ronan on 30 August, 2007 - 23:59.

Hi guys, not meaning to have a go here (ok, a small one wink) but I was just wondering what the story is with that 'Defy Tesco' article in the previous Direct Action (the Notional Health Service issue). here
To be honest I thought it was totally mad, Tesco (and all the major supermarket chains besides the discount operators) gather information about their consumers. Okay, so what? They're not doing it because they want to rob our children, they're doing it to identify market trends, develop products etc (I really like shopping in Tescos actually..). That article just came across as hysteria.

31 August, 2007 - 00:02

Yeah it seems a little reactionary -- start with one of the biggest enemies and complain that they're big!

31 August, 2007 - 00:09

you should have heard jack rant about that shit on MSN to me.

Frankly articles like that should be left for liberal leftist rags or SU papers.

31 August, 2007 - 00:11
revol68 wrote:
you should have heard jack rant about that shit on MSN to me.

Frankly articles like that should be left for liberal leftist rags or SU papers.

I said nothing.

black bloc This is me outdoing the Platformists and showing what collective discipline really means.

31 August, 2007 - 00:41

what's your editorial policy?

31 August, 2007 - 08:52

I started a thread about DA a while back, didn't get much response though...
http://libcom.org/forums/organise/direct-action-magazine

31 August, 2007 - 16:16

yeah that's interesting. from that thread it appears that there's no real policy for what content to use, that it just accepts whatever SolFed members happen to write about. For both our English language publications we have an editorial board that sits down and looks for what good issues to feature (we also have a spanish language journal). Red and Black (which is probably the best comparison to DA) tries to have quite an involved process for deciding on content. They look for things we've done and need to analyse, other initiatives we can learn from, important theoretical discussions etc. Actually next Red n Black is going to be deadly, you have been warned.
Maybe SolFed should think about a similar process? but then again, I'm not sure if the target audience is comparable.

31 August, 2007 - 18:26

DA used to have "themed" issues, with the themes decided in advance by the editorial collective. A decision was made to drop this a few years back. This was either before or just after I joined, so I can't recall the thinking behind it.

31 August, 2007 - 20:31

i often think the front covers are pretty good, and there is a surprisingly pleasant DIY zine feel to the articles and layout for what you assume would be mostly industrial journal.

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31 August, 2007 - 20:35
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what's your editorial policy?

I think you would have to ask the collective, but like all libertarian publications it doesnt have nearly enough contributors.

31 August, 2007 - 21:29

Last time I read it nearly every article was written by someone who insisted on using the phrase "higher orders" many, many times, unless there's more than one such person in solfed.

31 August, 2007 - 21:45

Just don't let anyone get in the way of me cashing in my Sainsbury's loyalty vouchers. I'd support them in an armed conflict with Tescos any day.

1 September, 2007 - 00:48
ronan wrote:
yeah that's interesting. from that thread it appears that there's no real policy for what content to use, that it just accepts whatever SolFed members happen to write about. For both our English language publications we have an editorial board that sits down and looks for what good issues to feature (we also have a spanish language journal). Red and Black (which is probably the best comparison to DA) tries to have quite an involved process for deciding on content. They look for things we've done and need to analyse, other initiatives we can learn from, important theoretical discussions etc. Actually next Red n Black is going to be deadly, you have been warned.
Maybe SolFed should think about a similar process? but then again, I'm not sure if the target audience is comparable.

If I were to be on the DA collective, I'd argue for a similar process, and also for conference to give the DA collective the ability to assign locals to write locals as part of their membership - I think if a libertarian organisation is going to have a magazine it should be done well and centrally based on what makes a good and useful magazine, not what people want to write.

And WSM have a Spanish language journal? confused

1 September, 2007 - 04:55

Ay caramba!

1 September, 2007 - 08:15

Holy fuck, I almost made a sensible post when too pissed to stand up. neutral

1 September, 2007 - 09:56

Any SF member can be co-opted by the collective and every member as the right to attend any of its meetings, I see alot of people grumbling but not moving with their feet, Im not being techie but its the truth.

1 September, 2007 - 10:14

At least its not a rant against 'chemi-coke'. There's a picture of dublin's anarchist youth in your latest mag though so it's forgivable.

1 September, 2007 - 11:12

I thoight AY were finito?

3 September, 2007 - 07:18
Alf wrote:
Just don't let anyone get in the way of me cashing in my Sainsbury's loyalty vouchers. I'd support them in an armed conflict with Tescos any day.

Could this be the reappearance of the labour aristocracy, bought off by loyalty vouchers and willing to sacrifice themselves on the altar of supermarket imperialism?

3 September, 2007 - 09:21
Alf wrote:
Just don't let anyone get in the way of me cashing in my Sainsbury's loyalty vouchers. I'd support them in an armed conflict with Tescos any day.

If you weren't the leader the ICC would totally kick you out for that.

6 September, 2007 - 23:16

The editorial board of Red and Black Revolution came up with an idea for generating articles which I thought other groups might find useful. Basically they asked branches to have a brainstorming session based o the following questions:

- What political issue would I like to know more about?
- What was the last discussion I had with another anarchist or socialist about?
- What aspect of anarchist history would I like to know about or think is important for other people to know about?
- What aspects of our own work do I think its important we write about, so we record our own experience?
- What campaigns or groups would I like to know more about, either here or abroad - we could interview someone
-What is the last political book I read that made me think? (either because I really liked it or hated it) - it could be reviewed.
- What problems do we face as an organisation? an article could help us think about solutions

The idea is that branches could produce educationals based on the answers to these questions. The educational and subsequent discussion could then form the basis of an article for the magazine. This takes some of the pressure off the ed group for coming up with topics and also gives someone who wants to write an article some support and feedback.

Anyway, just thought some of you might find that interesting.

7 September, 2007 - 08:09
Tacks wrote:
I thoight AY were finito?

They are but it was still nice to see us in the magazine. smile

http://www.wsm.ie/news_viewer/1948

A.Y. Call it A Day.

7 September, 2007 - 12:45

Re the Tescos article - I'd suggest there have others which were even worse, especially the ones written in a pseudo-prole style which are just embarrassing. It has, however, improved with the last couple of issues.

Red and Black Revolution on the other hand, is much better written and written in a way which assumes an intelligent readership. Personally I'd rate it as the best regular anarchist - anarcho-syndicalist English language journal published in the this part of the world.

7 September, 2007 - 13:36

I agree with Malfunction. except on the "improved with the last couple of issues" bit, I can't say I've noticed much of a change.

Red and Black Revoultion is by far the best english language magazine (in these parts anyway)

Remember when Black Flag was really good?

13 September, 2007 - 22:15

I think it has got better in the last couple of issues. There are some very good articles in DA, like the recent one on the NHS, or the railways.

Like october_lost says, though, it does depend on people writing stuff for it, and the editorial collective having the ability and confidence to commission articles.

Dim, what period of Black Flag are you referring to? Paper, or magazine?

Regards,

Martin

13 September, 2007 - 22:22
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To be honest I thought it was totally mad, Tesco (and all the major supermarket chains besides the discount operators) gather information about their consumers. Okay, so what? They're not doing it because they want to rob our children, they're doing it to identify market trends, develop products etc (I really like shopping in Tescos actually..).

I havent read the article so maybe I shouldnt comment, but there is some chip technology that is being touted as being good which will inevitably be used for surveilance against the population. Im not sure whether that means we go on the offensive or what but its clearly worrying

14 September, 2007 - 09:09
MalFunction wrote:
Re the Tescos article - I'd suggest there have others which were even worse, especially the ones written in a pseudo-prole style which are just embarrassing. It has, however, improved with the last couple of issues.

Red and Black Revolution on the other hand, is much better written and written in a way which assumes an intelligent readership. Personally I'd rate it as the best regular anarchist - anarcho-syndicalist English language journal published in the this part of the world.

Um, okay, except Red and Black Revolution ain't anarcho-syndicalist.

Martinh surely fewer and fewer people can actually remember when Black Flag was a paper... Now, personally I prefered when DA was a paper.

14 September, 2007 - 11:50
martinh wrote:
I think it has got better in the last couple of issues. There are some very good articles in DA, like the recent one on the NHS, or the railways.

Got to agree with you there martin, actually that's reminded me to re-read the NHS article, as i didn't absorb all of it last time, as it's definately becoming more relevant in my life and with those around me, i got a bit lost with the specifics of the trusts and their relationship with the NHS.

17 September, 2007 - 09:10
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Um, okay, except Red and Black Revolution ain't anarcho-syndicalist.

apologies was trying to say anarchist (incl anarchist communist) and/or anarcho-syndicalist.

(does include everyone it should?)