May 6th, London. Return of the Angry Mob?

Submitted by Inigo Montoya on 9 April, 2008 - 19:53.
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In an unprecedented show of unity, London Anarchists decided tonight to organise against the London mayoral elections on May 2nd by calling for the ‘return of the London mob’ at the GLA building on the South Bank at 6pm when the result will be declared.

Here’s a bit from the agreed leaflet: ---- NO TO THE CROOK, THE TOFF, THE COP AND THE FASCIST ---- ‘Everyone knows the politicians are lying,corrupt, self-serving parasites - it’s time we let them know -THIS IS OUR LONDON not theirs, their pasrty’s or their paymasters. On Friday May2nd at City
Hall we will confront our class enemies at the Mayoral election results reviving a great radical London tradition - ITS TIME TO TAKE TO THE STREETS AND CLAIM BACK OUR CITY’

This promises to be the biggest anarchist intrvention for some time. Thousands of
stickers, flyers and newspapers are being produced. Tonight’s meeting was attended by people from IWW, CLASS WAR, ANARCHIST FEDERATION, NO BORDERS, HARINGEY SOLIDARITY GROUP, HACKNEY SOLIDARITY GROUP, EX-WOMBLES,SOCIAL CENTRES MOVEMENT, CLASS WAR YOUTH DEATH BRIGADE, CAMDEN ANARCHISTS,INDYMEDIA, ANTIFA and FITWATCH as well as individuals.

It was also agreed to take up HSG’s plan to set up an anarchist group in each of London’s 32 Boroughs - and a LAMBETH get together came directly out of tonight’s
meeting.

Things are on the move at last - ALL OUT MAY 2ND - KING MOB RETURNS!

‘The history of London is a culture of rebellion and discontent - challenging the domination and power of the privileged few - from peasant’s revolt to Cable Street and the poll tax riot. On May 2nd we are adding to that tradition - an active resistence against the power of the office of mayor represents and the political parties that reinforce it. WE WANT OUR CITY BACK FROM THE CROOKS, THE
TOFFS, THE FASCISTS AND THE COPS.’

http://www.londonclasswar.org/newswire/

9 April, 2008 - 20:02
9 April, 2008 - 20:26
Inigo Montoya wrote:
[b]In an unprecedented show of unity...

I'm sorry, but how exactly? And why is there a sudden trend for this sort of sub-Class War stuntism? I mean, wasn't it perfectly obvious how much of a flop the empty symbolism of Bash the Rich was? Once again, there'll be 5 times more cops than anarchists and probably 3 times more drunk punxxx. You're just enabling the establishment of some kinda shit scene where people think spending 3 hours swearing at cops represents "anarchism". Frankly it really fucks me off.

9 April, 2008 - 20:58

Alan, the proposed mob gathering as a means to an end aside, I think the anti-election material produced by LA(or is it LAM?) is half decent, admittedly I dont have it to hand but it beats the 'Vote Nobody' people were enthusiatic about previously.

9 April, 2008 - 21:10

Well yeah there's definitely potential to do something around the Mayoral elections (although my personal dislike of Boris is so strong I found myself trying to persuade one mate who was gonna vote for him to vote Newt instead). In general terms though, isn't the expected turnout below 50%? Never read a statistic on this so perhaps I'm wrong and shouldn't speculate, but hey. Might it not be a better idea to highlight that whoever wins, they won't really have a democratic mandate even by the logic of bourgeois democracy?

9 April, 2008 - 21:12

Incidentally, who's projected to win? If it's fucking Boris, I'm proper not returning.

9 April, 2008 - 21:52

It's neck and neck in the polls. But if the Evening Standard can keep dishing up enough dirt about Livingstone and his clique that might swing it.

9 April, 2008 - 23:09

Ret is right the Evening Standard as hit Livingstone with both the Jasper smear and now the nonsense about his personal life, I dont think its totally clear who will win tbh, news coverage is saying Boris - but then they would.

9 April, 2008 - 23:20

It's probably not a 'smear' - or rather it's being used as such but it sounds like there is truth in the allegations. But the mutual dislike between Livingstone and The Standard goes back decades.

10 April, 2008 - 02:40

I remember that time he was drunk and he compared a Standard hack harassing him to "a Nazi camp guard", only for the little cunt go "but I'm a JOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!! That's WACIST!!!" and whimper all over national TV for a week.

10 April, 2008 - 02:52

Is there actually an organisation called class war youth death brigade ?

10 April, 2008 - 07:12

10 April, 2008 - 07:21

is this a joke? They know the election's on May 1 right, not 2?

I reckon Ken'll win again

10 April, 2008 - 09:20
Alan wrote:
Incidentally, who's projected to win? If it's fucking Boris, I'm proper not returning.

You just completely tipped the polls for boris.

10 April, 2008 - 10:01
Steven. wrote:
They know the election's on May 1 right, not 2?

it's a plan to cause a fuss at the announcement of the results. kind of a barn-door-horse-bolting thing really, but that is the main time when supporters of all the parties will be in one place.

10 April, 2008 - 12:19
ftony wrote:
Steven. wrote:
They know the election's on May 1 right, not 2?

it's a plan to cause a fuss at the announcement of the results. kind of a barn-door-horse-bolting thing really, but that is the main time when supporters of all the parties will be in one place.

indeed.

10 April, 2008 - 12:23
Alan wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
[b]In an unprecedented show of unity...

I'm sorry, but how exactly? And why is there a sudden trend for this sort of sub-Class War stuntism? I mean, wasn't it perfectly obvious how much of a flop the empty symbolism of Bash the Rich was?

Cos ian bones back in london slowpoke!

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Once again, there'll be 5 times more cops than anarchists and probably 3 times more drunk punxxx. You're just enabling the establishment of some kinda shit scene where people think spending 3 hours swearing at cops represents "anarchism". Frankly it really fucks me off.

oh come on, no it doesn't friend grin You couldn't give a tug and i think you are probably quite happy when this stuff goes on grin

This actually isn't bad - as long as decent groups and campiagns take the opportunity to put forward alternatives. Obviously if ity doesn't go further than "You're all cunts, la la la" it's useless.

10 April, 2008 - 12:45

Alan, stop being so negative, this has the potential to be the best initiative since Boo a Bobby.

10 April, 2008 - 13:28

Just to be clear as it isn't from the intial post, HSG does not support the anti election mob. It doesn't oppose it either mind, it just doesn't see the issue as that important to organise around.

10 April, 2008 - 13:46

The stunt is obviously ridiculous. Don't vote propaganda is regressive, stupid, and anti-working class. Please don't.

Also, I like the way they use 'our' in the leaflet as if they've got any sort of popular mandate, or even a reasonable belief that many people agree with them.

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Thousands of stickers, flyers and newspapers are being produced.

Oh good. Just like Sack Parliament.

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peasant’s revolt to Cable Street and the poll tax riot

I wish people would stop appropriating real mass movements for their shit ideology and fringe sects.

Steven. wrote:
They know the election's on May 1 right, not 2?

Yeah, I think they want to 'confront' the person who's going to be Mayor for the next few years.

All this would be excusable if there weren't perfectly obvious and useful things to be getting on with. But there are. And people waste their time on this nonsense?

10 April, 2008 - 14:50

The event is actually May 2nd at City Hall when the results are due to be announced. For more correct information.

http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/04/396079.html

This has been put together at the newly formed movement-wide initiative of class struggle anarchists which meets monthly and is composed of local anarchist groups and members from federations as well as the groups which were mentioned in the OP.

Unfortunately the meetings cannot be publicised on web forums, public e-lists or websites as they are currently invite only.

10 April, 2008 - 14:58
posi wrote:
The stunt is obviously ridiculous. Don't vote propaganda is regressive, stupid, and anti-working class. Please don't.

Also, I like the way they use 'our' in the leaflet as if they've got any sort of popular mandate, or even a reasonable belief that many people agree with them.

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Thousands of stickers, flyers and newspapers are being produced.

Oh good. Just like Sack Parliament.

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peasant’s revolt to Cable Street and the poll tax riot

I wish people would stop appropriating real mass movements for their shit ideology and fringe sects.

Steven. wrote:
They know the election's on May 1 right, not 2?

posi wrote:
Yeah, I think they want to 'confront' the person who's going to be Mayor for the next few years.

All this would be excusable if there weren't perfectly obvious and useful things to be getting on with. But there are. And people waste their time on this nonsense?

Posi, many of the people involved will be down on Saturday to support LCAP. Many people involved are doing other political activity as well. Again you jump the gun on something that you know fuck all about and people you have never met.

posi wrote:
The stunt is obviously ridiculous. Don't vote propaganda is regressive, stupid, and anti-working class. Please don't.

Tell me how not voting is "anti-working class", in which text book did you read that? Aren't you aware that large swathes of working class people DO NOT vote - are they regressive and stupid? Please explain.

posi wrote:
I wish people would stop appropriating real mass movements for their shit ideology and fringe sects.

Thanks for the support! My god you are a weasely little boy.

10 April, 2008 - 15:00

Text of the leaflet:

We all know politicians are lying, corrupt, self-serving parasites - its time we let them know.

This is our London, not their, their party's or their paymasters'.

On Friday May 2nd we will confront our class enemies at the Mayoral election results, reviving a great radical London tradition.

Its time to take to the streets and claim back our city.

6pm
City Hall
The Queen's Walk, Tower Bridge
South side of the river

++ London Revolting ++

We're told London is one of the wealthiest cities in the world, playground to the super rich, a global financial centre where city workers, paid in excess of £19bn, keep the institutions of power going.

But London has some of the poorest, most deprived areas in the country (50% of children here are living on or below the poverty line), as we are left to fight amongst ourselves for the most basic jobs and necessities.

As ordinary Londoners we are being priced out of our own city - either exiled to the outer reaches or pushed together in cramped expensive living conditions. Local councils sell off our housing to get-rich-quick developers, breaking up communities and further alienating us from each other as we struggle with increasing debt, fear and security.
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++ Power mad ++

The office of Mayor (with its annual budget of over £9 billion) is a massive government institution designed to keep us from making real choices and decisions about our own city. Despite endless public announcements about helping Londoners THE CROOK still puts his full financial backing behind the 2012 Olympics, against local objections, where public money will go to staging a 2 weeks sports show, while private companies reap the rewards; owning the Olympic land, property and sites in the east end that once belonged to us!

All over London THE CROOK is promoting property speculation an private development (selling off public facilities, and open spaces for luxury housing) at the expense of our needs while siphoning off taxpayers' money for his own pet projects and personal cronies. But would THE TOFF, THE COP or THE FASCIST act any differently? Aren't all politicians the same - out to line their own pockets, lying to protect their own interests and influential friends?

When it comes down to it, don't all political parties really represent the interests of the rich and not those of ordinary people?

And isn't it about time we did something about it?
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++ BNP / Anti-Fascism ++

Our so-called political leaders, along with the media, continually deflect our anger from the main enemy onto other working class people - immigrants and unemployed. They use people's genuine concerns to create false divisions and promote their own agendas. Is it any surprise that the BNP leadership, like Cameron and Brown, come from the same privileged backgrounds?

Our class heritage has always been one of defiance and dissent - a refusal to bow down to authority and oppression, be it the fascists during WW2, Thatcher during the Miner's Strike or Murdoch at Wapping - this is our real history, solidarity and self-organisation, and despite the language they use the BNP have always had a vicious anti-working class tradition.

Which is why we should be out in force to stop them taking the platform at City Hall.
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++ Get rid of 'em all ++

The history of London and Londoners is a culture of rebellion and discontent - organising ourselves against the domination of the privileged few - from the Peasant's Revolt to the Battle of Cable Street and the Poll Tax riot.

On May 2nd we will be adding to that tradition - an active resistance against the power the office of Mayor represents and the political parties that reinforce it. We want our city back from THE CROOKS, THE TOFFS, THE FASCISTS and THE COPS.

Its time London joined together making our anger count by getting rid of the lot of them.
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++ MAYORAL COSTS - HOW WE PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE: ++

- £100 million a year spent on publicity alone
- £33 million a year to staff City Hall
- £120 million a year on the 'Core GLA Budget' (ie, the Mayor's personal projects)
- £300 a year the average London household pays for the office of Mayor.

10 April, 2008 - 15:17

Why would dont vote propaganda necessarily be so regressive or anti-working class?
Theres a whole history of anti-parlementarianism within the anarchist tradition, or even within the socialist/communist tradition before communist parties began to flourish under Russian influence, co-opt communism and turn it into it some sort of parliamentary popular front.

I agree with the rest of your criticisms though, posi. Mainly, this is just a demo. Placing it in the lineage of mass popular movements such as cable street or the poll tax is pushing it a bit.
Especially if it turns out to be like the Sack Parliament demo from a year or two ago, which was rather rubbish... much ado about nothing.

However i think this has more potential. Various groups got together to talk about it and to publish flyers promoting alternative ways of organizing, remembering past initiatives and calling for further action, locally or not.
Basically if this ends up not just being an anti- event it can be interesting.
The idea to create anarchist groups in all different boroughs as initiated by HSG is on that point a good one.

Maybe the point is to try and make this initiative a good one...

10 April, 2008 - 17:43
raw wrote:
Posi, many of the people involved will be down on Saturday to support LCAP. Many people involved are doing other political activity as well. Again you jump the gun on something that you know fuck all about and people you have never met.

I know that many people who are involved in this are involved in doing good stuff. I know plenty of people involved in the groups listed above. I like them personally and respect the work they do - e.g. No Borders, HSG, HSN (Hackney has a Network, not a Group), Antifa. That does not mean that I respect the stunt. For one thing, I suspect a person from the Communist League will come to the demo on Saturday as well. Does that mean that I have to respect everything else they do, or even not be rude to them about Castro? Obviously not.

This is why I think the demo is obviously ridiculous. 1) it will win nothing for anyone. 2) it is not even intended to win anything for anyone. 3) The stated aim of the demo is to 'let them [i.e. the mayor] know' that 'we' (that is, the people at the demo) 'know they are lying corrupt, self-serving parasites'. a) why would I care if the Mayor knows I think that? b) even if they didn't know that already, why would they care when they found out? c) even if they did care when they found out, why would I, or anyone else, care? What is the Mayor going to do? Jump of the top of city hall? 4) I think it is the job of radicals (anarchists, libertarian socialists, whoever) to propose effective means of social change - not go propagandising for things that won't achieve anything. 5) Events promoted in the past on the basis of a similar language were obviously ridiculous as well. 6) It falls into the liberal ideology of demonstrations having an abstract value because they 'send a message' which is one of the most dangerous popular myths abut how change happens. 7) You're seriously demonstrating against the existence of municipal administration - or the fact that under capitalism municipal administrations are necesarily capitalist in orientation? Or is it that you're protesting against capitalism, or for communism. It just makes no sense. 8) Given the low ebb of all kinds of struggle at present, and the low general confidence of the class, wouldn't it be a good idea to do something which seems a leeetle bit more relevant to people's day to day lives, thereby to up the popular belief in the effectiveness of grassroots struggle? 9) Are you either thinking that lots of people will see you do it, or you'll get any sort of sympathetic press coverage? Neither are plausible assumptions. You'll either be ignored or ridiculed by the press.

raw wrote:
My god you are a weasely little boy.

oh calm down and stop being pointlessly rude. all these things I'm quite prepared to say to you in person and have a discusion about. Let's chat after the thing on Saturday, i can't be doing with internet animosity. Also, I think I might be taller than you.

nico wrote:
Why would dont vote propaganda necessarily be so regressive or anti-working class?

Having the vote doesn't get working class people much, but it gets them something - that is, a low level of influence in an election every three to five years, in which politicians have to pander to a degree to the concerns of constituencies likely to vote. The less likely a constituency (a class, an age-group, a gender) is to vote, the easier it is, for practical purposes it is to ignore. Let's say that the whole class took your advice and didn't vote. What would happen? It would just be like the bloody 19th Century. The largest mass movement of the class this country has ever produced (arguably) was Chartism for, among other things, the vote. For the very simple bloody reason that it aint much, but it's something. There is no necessary connection between not voting and doing anything useful. It's not like even saying 'don't vote' is some sort of way into a conversation about doing other things, since most people will realise that there's no connection right away, and just wonder what you're on about. I can see that a propagandistic 'don't just vote' campaign would have some value, if it focussed on clearly proposing other, more effective, things to do... but that's not on the table

raw wrote:
aren't you aware that large swathes of working class people DO NOT vote - are they regressive and stupid?

Yes I know that, and no they're not. I didn't say not voting was regressive and stupid, I said that producing don't vote propaganda was regressive and stupid. The reason large numbers of working class people don't vote is because it doesn't seem to (or in fact) make very much of a difference (at least not on the margin - if no working class people voted at all, it would make a big difference). This is a roughly similar reason why they would also not decide to produce don't vote propaganda. They would probably go to the pub instead, which is both progressive and clever.

nico wrote:
Maybe the point is to try and make this initiative a good one...

Good luck, but it's not the first time this sentiment has been expressed at this stage. It's not that hard to think of things that are useful to do in themselves.

10 April, 2008 - 17:48

Raw now you've publicised it on the internet and then with A Large Sticker Campaign (wooooahh nelly!!) could you give me some kinda rough approximation in percentage form RE: turnout of the following social demographics:

-policemen

-drunk punxxx (exposed penis with a steady flow of urine optional, but probably not for them after 4 hours of being barricaded by the police with only Scrumpy for company)

-people who think they're anarchists cos they went to this one, Bash the Rich, Sack Parliament, Climate Camp...possibly G8

-undercover journo from The Standard (wildcard option)

10 April, 2008 - 17:49
posi wrote:
I suspect a person from the Communist League will come to the demo on Saturday as well. Does that mean that I have to respect everything else they do, or even not be rude to them about Castro? Obviously not.

I heard a really good joke about Cuba the other day...perhaps you could use it again him?

10 April, 2008 - 18:10
posi wrote:
I wish people would stop appropriating real mass movements for their shit ideology and fringe sects.

I think this is pretty fair, their is some latent leftism about resonating in our movement and too many people are happy to do stunts and demos and not, as you say look to give answers about the day to day stuff. More people need to look at how they can engage their politics in their day to day life and from the poor showing at the workers rights initiative by LCAP I think were a long way from this. I dont however agree with this...

posi wrote:
There is no necessary connection between not voting and doing anything useful.

I think rather than reacting and resorting to negative style politics, elections can be an oppurtunity to air a platform on the premise of what changes we would like to put in place. I think I first came across this suggestion on here by the then Ipswich Anarchist Group. Voting is more or less pointless, so I disagree with you there, and too much of what passes for literature around this time is just pointless politicising of what amounts to basic political apathy. But since its a time when all across the political spectrum converge to express their views on a host of subjects then I dont see why we shouldnt do the same but with the intent of being outside and arguing for a radical overall of the system.

I have my reservations about the style being put across but I think the proposal is a step in the right direction....

10 April, 2008 - 18:33
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I heard a really good joke about Cuba the other day...perhaps you could use it again him?

It sounds just great. Why dont' you tell it?.

october_lost wrote:
Voting is more or less pointless, so I disagree with you there,

does this mean...
a) the marginal impact of an individual voting is miniscule (true, but that goes for pretty much everything else as well, and it doesn't meant the net impact of the class voting is miniscule)
b) if no working class people voted, the same results would come in, not only in the next election, but consistently in the future (i.e. classes do not express any divergent interess when they vote);
c) although different results would come in, it doesn't matter because all parties' policies are exactly the same, not just in terms of (i) 'all being pro-capitalist', but in terms of (ii) having the same affect on the lives of working class people at a given time. (If (ii) is true, that means that whatever laws get passed, they make no difference to people's lives. Only the most ultra-left of anarchists believe this.)

There are a bunch of examples of electoral dynamics (i.e. the natural impulse to vote of people symapthetic with working class causes) being a key determining factor in the success of large social movements - e.g. US civil rights movement. In this case, the voting strength of black and white 'liberal' (non-conservative) northerners (mobilised into action by black and radical white direct action in the South) was crucial in convincing the Democratic party to abandon its old affiliation to its earstwhile key voting bloc: southern plantation owners and other white racists. Of course, the results of the civil rights movement weren't ideal, economic oppression remained. That's why we also have a critique of capitalism. But that doesn't mean ignoring real, observable historical dynamics, which lead to real, important changes. There are plenty more examples where that came from.

10 April, 2008 - 18:42

I'm not going to participate with this debate here as it is pointless. Feel free to debate with me in real life Posi and I promise to be more polite.

all the best

alessio

10 April, 2008 - 21:56

Posi, who on earth are you suggesting we vote for? Those who might be the 'lesser evil' (I fail to see that as an apt term) are so rank outsiders, its a wasted vote. I simply argue against voting on a number of grounds,
1) primarily it sows illusions in where political change is
2) by and large the political centre or moderates or whatever you want to call those who oppose the BNP as fascists/racists etc, actually continually come out with policies which push people to the far-right anyway. Think Browns speech about 'British jobs for British workers' and as the BNP pointed out in Barking, Labour are reiterating their policies almost across the issue of social welfare! If you want to curtail the far-right the logic would be to vote tory, and frankly thats fucking absurd thing to ask people to do.
3) in the last 30 or so years none of the major parties have stood on a platform that was anything other than regressive or a series of attacks on the working class.
Your example of Civil Rights is about co-opting to the level bourgeois politics, when we should be pushing radical agendas and there is nothing ultra-leftist about the position I stated above, a clear platform by a core of the class struggle anarchist/libertarians in agreement declaring our objectives on a number of issues like housing, crime, transport, jobs, social security etc is entirely constructive and on the plane which most ordinary people could identify with. Wheres the ra-ra revolution chant about this?