A whole anarchist society?

Submitted by Christopher on 22 June, 2008 - 20:06.

I've already read a lot of topics here on libcom.org ( many were very interesting, thanks for that), however I have the feeling that we are in a lack of ideas for organizing , let's say a whole city or country such as London/England. Atleast in my opinion there seems to be a problem in how several places of productions (or organisations, when I read through a few topics it seemed to me as if already small anarchist organisations had a problem with organizing) can be managed effectively without leadership and produce enough wares. I could also list a few other problems like the problem of how to handle criminals, keep the infrastructure working , etc...
As some people in this forum already have noted, anarchists are, atleast compared to communists/marxists, in a lack of theories and need more concret models for a libertarian society. I invite everyone to post their ideas about a new system and hope my first topic ain't that newbish as it looks like.

24 June, 2008 - 11:02

There are plenty of "models" of an anarchist society, or a society that at least some think is compatible with anarchist principles. They vary in detail.

After the Revolution by Diego Abad de Santillán
Participatory Economics
Workers' Councils and the Economics of Self-Managed Society by Cornelius Castoriadis
Guild Socialism
Ideas on Social Organisation by James Guillaume
ParPolity: Political Vision for a Good Society by Stephen R Shalom
Section I - What would an anarchist society look like? in An Anarchist FAQ
Principles of Syndicalism by Tom Brown
The Economics of Freedom: An Anarcho-syndicalist alternative to capitalism by [url=Enter URL here]Solidarity Federation[/url]

On crime etc, there would probably be some force in each locality for protection from what small amount of crime amy remain in changed social conditions. Probably not a specilaised force but a duty rotated among everyone capable of doing it.

12 July, 2008 - 06:23
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I've already read a lot of topics here on libcom.org ( many were very interesting, thanks for that), however I have the feeling that we are in a lack of ideas for organizing , let's say a whole city or country such as London/England.

Here you ignore basic Marxist theory. The working class (proletariat) will be the ones who engage in the revolution, for they are the exploited and those who must seize hold of the means of production. Hence it is impossible to "organize" a whole city, country, etc... without class consciousness on the part of the workers involved.

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Atleast in my opinion there seems to be a problem in how several places of productions (or organisations, when I read through a few topics it seemed to me as if already small anarchist organisations had a problem with organizing) can be managed effectively without leadership and produce enough wares.

If each center of production is run and controlled by the workers themselves, these workers can then communicate with other centers of production to coordinate whatever is needed. Furthermore, it is assumed within the context of a revolution that economies will be highly de-centralized, thereby making the 'problem' of distribution null.

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I could also list a few other problems like the problem of how to handle criminals, keep the infrastructure working , etc...

Why is there crime? Because people don't have what they want. Given that anarchist/communist theory is a movement towards a society based around the principle of 'to each according to need, from each according to ability,' this problem will not exist. But even if there is crime, why would you require others to deal with problems in your local community? Are you and your community not capable of handling your lives yourselves?

Infrastructure is dependent upon the workers who allow it to be constructed and maintained. If the revolution were to occur, these people would be in charge of the infrastructure, thereby leading it to be improved due to the absence of exploitation and disassociation of labor.

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As some people in this forum already have noted, anarchists are, atleast compared to communists/marxists, in a lack of theories and need more concret models for a libertarian society.

Anarchism and Communism are practically identical. They differ on the sole issue of the 'transitional period' between capitalism and communism (known as 'socialism'). Aside from this, they share they same values of freedom and equality, oppose the same economic system of capitalism, oppose the same cultural/social systems of inequality, discrimination, and subordination, and work towards the same goal (a society based around the principle of need/ability).

- August

17 August, 2008 - 15:56

That's a very useful list from Sam Sanchez - thanks for that. I've put it up, with two extra additions, to http://afraser.com/reading_on_future.html

17 August, 2008 - 18:45
Christopher wrote:
Atleast in my opinion there seems to be a problem in how several places of productions (or organisations, when I read through a few topics it seemed to me as if already small anarchist organisations had a problem with organizing) can be managed effectively without leadership and produce enough wares.

It seems you've fallen into a productivist trap. Productivism is an empty philosophy that is nowhere near as utilitarian as it would seem; it mostly results in a waste of resources on huge amounts of useless goods and generally relies on poverty to do so.

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I could also list a few other problems like the problem of how to handle criminals, keep the infrastructure working , etc...

Direct democracy doesn't preclude collective action against those types of crimes which will occur in any society, and that the vast majority of criminal behaviour is either a direct product of capitalist culture (most property crime) or is only really criminal because the state defines it to be.

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As some people in this forum already have noted, anarchists are, atleast compared to communists/marxists, in a lack of theories and need more concret models for a libertarian society.

I really wouldn't say that, it's just that you have some examples from state communism of a communist economy in practice. Communist in name, at least. If you really think about the economic theories and models that were in place prior to the emergence of capitalism or state communism, there wasn't a body of work any more involved or complex or unitary than what is present in anarchist literature - it's not like reading Adam Smith is going to give you a blueprint for a capitalist economy, or indeed, much more than a justification of the market based on its mystical properties, by which it's "magic hand" will make everything work out for the better.
Anarchism can - and has - organized real-world economic systems which provided for the needs of a populace, in the few instances it has briefly surfaced such as Spain or the Makhnovshchina. Like capitalism or communism, economic organization didn't emerge from theory so much as from situation and practice. Generally its problems lay in its inability to resist incursions by conventional military forces, but arguably, the battlefield has since changed to favour small actions and more decentralized and redundant forms of organization. A recent example among many:

Israel has defeated larger Arab armies repeatedly since its creation in 1948. The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) enjoyed a reputation of invincibility among its Arab neighbors until last year. Israel got bloodied and bogged down in Lebanon by a stateless military organization: Hezbollah's military wing, the Islamic Resistance (IR). The Israeli high command expected the air force alone to crush the IR. Instead, the air force killed many civilians and destroyed property but could not stop the IR rockets and missiles that rained daily on Israel. When IDF troops tried to push their way into a well-prepared defense, they failed. It seems that the Israelis have lost their ability to conduct high-intensity maneuver warfare. (from Infanty Magazine)

17 August, 2008 - 20:19

I'd rather work for free and have everything for free than work for pay and pay for everything.
I don't want communist guns at my back forcing me to work to prove my contribution to society, and I don't want capitalist poverty on all sides cornering me into work either. We are all pretty trapped and powerless, but working with anarchists and communists is hard; sometimes it seems like everyone's on an ego trip.
But as for a whole anarchist society? Well, partial anarchist societies are everywhere, and advancing all the time.

17 August, 2008 - 20:36

Name one.

17 August, 2008 - 20:58

everything that happens every day has a little anarchy in it. every time people get together there's a little anarchy going on. no one tells you to do it, but you freely associate with people. it's partially anarchistic. the universe is anarchistic, self-organized in circles with no beginning or end, high or low. They don't have names, these partial societies, but they're everywhere... in my opinion, without anarchy there couldn't even be capitalism, since i see people's cooperation as having an anarchistic element, and any social getting together, autonomous activity, or creativity also has an anarchistic element... it's not some great grand glorious thing, but it's a tension in society that will exist as long as there is hierarchy.

17 August, 2008 - 21:04
treeofjudas wrote:
Name one.

There are lots, and many have been around for ages ... the aynuqa system in native communities in Peru, though it exists in the context of a capitalist state, is more or less a system of direct democratic control of land and resources, and a mix of usufructuary and collective property.

18 August, 2008 - 11:46

Big thanks @ afraser and sam sanchez, a wonderful list.

@Edgewater

I never heard of productivism before you just mentioned it, can you give me a better idea of why it is an empty philosophy?

18 August, 2008 - 12:41
Christopher wrote:
I never heard of productivism before you just mentioned it, can you give me a better idea of why it is an empty philosophy?

Productivism is, basically, the idea that more production is always good.

Lacking a productivist mindset doesn't necessarily mean that one denies that the fruits of production can have value, it simply means that one denies production itself has any value - production is a process, not a goal. Having enough food or shelter for everyone is a good thing, but this isn't what productivism is about. Productivism is a form of process worship, where the method is blindly valued over the outcome. If greater production can be obtained by assigning land that could be used for food or shelter, to the production of, say, fibres to be used in the manufacture of unnecessary, disposable packaging, then that is desirable according to productivist doctrines.

To give a very common example - let's say a company designs some new product. It is produced by means that have an externality cost, in terms of damage to the environment. It is found that demand for the product is very low or nonexistant, even among consumers who have seen or heard of the product. So the company expends more resources on advertising to generate demand that never existed. It employs television, eye-catching packaging and so on to make the product more enticing. Demand fluorishes and so production rises. Supposedly, according to productivists, value has been increased and wealth has been generated.

But the productivist doesn't like to look at the externality cost. The environment is being damaged. This has real inherent value - it sustains life and enhances the quality of life. Value is being diminished, which is a cost even though it is not represented in the value of the product itself (an externality cost). The product itself has no inherent value at all - demand for the product had to be engineered, so there is nothing inherent about any value assigned to it. Productivism trades away things that have real, inherent value for things that have no inherent value at all, because it blindly worships the process of production, without regard to outcome.

Our economies are filled with useless products and millions and millions of workers are employed in work that they instinctively know is utterly useless and has no real value - very few people in call centres or working the floor at Wal-Mart actually feel they are doing anything of importance or value, it just pays the rent because of the way productivist economies distribute wealth. We've long surpassed the productive capacity to meet needs, heck, we've passed the productive capacity to meet wants - we must now employ advertising to generate wants which never existed. And we're destroying the environment, depleting natural resources, diminishing the quality of life with billboard eyesores and contaminated air, bankrupting future generations and denying billions access to basic needs, just to meet these engineered wants - a direct result of the productivist mindset. Yet still more production is deemed a good thing - even if it produces goods that have no inherent value at the cost of life-sustaining things that do. This is why blind productivism is a problem, especially today.

18 August, 2008 - 16:52
edgewaters wrote:
treeofjudas wrote:
Name one.

There are lots, and many have been around for ages ... the aynuqa system in native communities in Peru, though it exists in the context of a capitalist state, is more or less a system of direct democratic control of land and resources, and a mix of usufructuary and collective property.

How does it survive in the context of a capitalist state?