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Mad Marx 3
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Jun 12 2015 22:46
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When a disaster happens in a poor nation, like a flood or an earthquake, why do the rich nations give aid to them? For example in Nepal, an earthquake, and 22 million euros from EU. Why, and how does this work?

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Jun 15 2015 06:49

Helloooooooo?????
Comrades?
Can i have some aid with this question? Maybe you are taking your time to make a point? Im waiting here for some relief and im waiting and waiting and waiting. But nothing happens. So you are saying, there is no aid. But some stuff certainly gets there. Sometimes, a lot of money and resources. So why are the rich nations doing this exactly? I mean, why do they even bother. What do they get from it?

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Jun 15 2015 06:51

What do you think? It's pretty stupid question, isn't it?

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Jun 15 2015 08:07

Your question is vague and as we've had a bunch of ancaps on here no one can see the point of writing a long post to explain this issue so that they can then have to explain the same couple of things.

If you actually want to know something think about it more clearly and ask a question that leads to an answer. You also want to be polite, people choose to answer questions here.

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Jun 15 2015 08:15

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'So you are saying, there is no aid. But some stuff certainly gets there. Sometimes, a lot of money and resources.'

Not if Jack Warner has anything to do with it.

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Jun 15 2015 13:03
Mad Marx 3 wrote:
When a disaster happens in a poor nation, like a flood or an earthquake, why do the rich nations give aid to them? For example in Nepal, an earthquake, and 22 million euros from EU. Why, and how does this work?

It gives the rich nations power and influence over the recipient one.

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Jun 15 2015 15:07
plasmatelly wrote:
What do you think? It's pretty stupid question, isn't it?

I guess im a pretty stupid guy then, like most workers(that i know). And if its pretty stupid it should be pretty easy to answer it, so i dont see whats the problem.

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If you actually want to know something think about it more clearly and ask a question that leads to an answer. You also want to be polite, people choose to answer questions here.

I thought about it and really, nothing comes to mind. Why does the EU give a fuck about Nepal. Arent they damaging themselves this way? Its not an exchange so, why? They get something out of it, but what? how? I dont know.
I guess i could spend a couple hours googling about it but, im just a worker goddamnit. I have to work. I dont have time to think about Nepal and shit, i dont even know where Nepal is. Besides, it was just an example. I was asking for more of a "general formula of aid", if that makes sense. Im not looking for a long, boring case study of Nepal or some specific country.

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It gives the rich nations power and influence over the recipient one.

Yes! Thats what im talking about. Short and simple. But, it only answers the why they do it, not the how they do it.

So, how?

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Jun 15 2015 20:41

Nepal is strategically placed between China and India. The UK has for many years been very interested in this whole area as the ruling class wished to protect the ‘jewel in the crown’ - India. Every gate had to be guarded. The Khyber Pass the mountain pass connecting Afghanistan and Pakistan was always heavily garrisoned. The Crimean War was fought to stop Russia destabilizing Turkey (the ‘Ottoman Empire’ in those days) the back door to India. In WW2 the North African campaign was all about stopping the Nazis threatening the same back door, etc., etc.

As a bonus some of the best (tough and brave) soldiers in the British Army are the Gurkhas from Nepal. I understand the Gurkha NCOs were the only ‘native troops’ ever allowed to drink in the NCOs mess. If you understand just how racist the British Army is/was you will understand the complement that was being paid to the Gurkhas.

The British Empire is no more, though all the players are still in the game.
Aid is about spheres of political influence and of course markets. The last thing the West wants is the Russians or Chinese to step in. China is already heavily penetrating Africa economically. It is a war of ‘soft power’, and aid is a weapon cloaked as benevolence.

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Jun 15 2015 17:45

Mad Marx 3 wrote:

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I mean, why do they even bother. What do they get from it?

Does every interaction have to be to buy influence or make money? Clearly not, otherwise the EU would be sending aid to the US.

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Jun 16 2015 02:15
Mad Marx 3 wrote:
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It gives the rich nations power and influence over the recipient one.

Yes! Thats what im talking about. Short and simple. But, it only answers the why they do it, not the how they do it.

So, how?

How?

Basically in several ways.

1. The rich nation gives aid with conditions attached, ie: reform your economy/political system (in a way which benefits us of course), if you want the $1billion aid package.

2. Vote in our interests at the UN, ASEAN, etc...conference, and we'll keep the aid money coming in

3. Allow our NGO's to work in your country and that will subjugate any pesky unions/socialists/anarchists etc...

these kind of things