Are revolutionary unions part of the State/left of Capital?

Submitted by klas batalo on June 6, 2016

This one is for the left communists or others to explain, make a convincing argument.

meerov21

7 years 9 months ago

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Submitted by meerov21 on June 6, 2016

The revolutionary syndicates at list represented the possibility of going beyond the system. But it was about more than half a century ago. They does not exist anymore.

However, the Russian revolutionary libertarian socialist revolutionaries-maximalists criticized the unions for the fact that even the revolutionary syndicates uniting the workers primarily around the struggle for a salary. It gradually destroys the revolutionary idea and puts the salary in the center of the struggle. So even the revolutionary syndicate sooner or later ends up as a reformist.

SR-maximalists opposed parties and unions, with they concept of dual resistance (as we can call it). On the one hand they create the ideological core of the resistance in the factories United primarily around radical ideology of social revolutionaries-maximalism. On the other hand, they opposed trade unions with workers ' councils - elected committees and territorial associations of committees, created during the uprisings. According to their thinking ideological maximalists nucleis in the factories use the propaganda of the word and propaganda of action, but the political and economic power belonged to the Soviets of workers ' deputies not to the maximalists.

I think their position was similar to the position of the German ultra-left KAPD or part of KAPD

Steven.

7 years 9 months ago

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Submitted by Steven. on June 6, 2016

Well, in this case it's probably most instructive to look at practical examples rather than ask the question in abstract.

The CNT in Spain obviously played a key role in the revolution. However it also played a part in propping up the Republican state which then set about destroying the revolution. So there is not a straightforward answer…

meerov21

7 years 9 months ago

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Submitted by meerov21 on June 6, 2016

P.S.

Let me also emphasize that the maximalists were talking about the revolutionary syndicates, based on the practice of direct action and criticized them. The question of whether the revolutionary syndicate to file a complaint against the boss in the court or state Commission, no one seriously considered and discussed ;)

It is Important to note, however, that the maximalists took an active part in the formation of an organization of anarcho-syndicalists in Odessa during the first Russian revolution, together with the anarchists. However, this syndicate was a) ideological b ) illegal c) had its own armed militia

Today's "anarcho-syndicalists" would be horrified if they saw this syndicate.

Some researchers believe that the term "anarcho-syndicalism" first appeared in Russia in Odessa.
https://libcom.org/forums/history/odessa-homeland-anarcho-syndicalism-01062014

meerov21

7 years 9 months ago

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Submitted by meerov21 on June 6, 2016

The Socialist Revolutionaries Maximalists (SRs Maximalists)
https://libcom.org/forums/history/socialist-revolutionaries-maximalists-srs-maximalists-24092014