an attack on anarchists!

Submitted by anarchyjordan on 5 July, 2008 - 19:22.

hi everyone, this was sent to me and i thought to myself, instead of just "tearing him down" myself as I usually do over and over, why not see what the libcommies have to say...

QUOTE:

ANARCHY IS STUPID. Its useful for whining about everything- but as for actually doing something useful- ha!

I am amused by your foregone conclusions but sadly you are wrong- I have done/ am doing numerous things I believe in. There is no such thing as anarchy without chaos. There are so many obvious flaws with anarchy its laughable people still defend it. Lets tear it all down- fascist pigs........... please! Anarchism really is pathetic.

laugh all you want. Anarchy is for pathetic people who love complaining but do nothing productive about it. And of course there are flaws with the system. It will never be perfect because people are involved. I have never claimed it is. But its 100 times better than being in anarchy- maybe you would prefer to live in Somalia? Tell me just one productive thing anarchists have done....... Here are just some of the many flaws;
1) Anarchists claim to be anti-politics and yet constantly endorse political ideologies- 'Anarcho- Capitalism', 'Anarcho-Communism' for instance.
2) Anarchy by its nature is against structure. In an anarchist society institutions like hospitals, schools, police stations and so on could not function because they all require management and positions of responsibility, which anarchists oppose- without these institutions, society would be a mess.
3) Anarchists have yet to provide concrete proof as to how they would re-organise the world to fit anarchism. There is no anarchist leader and anarchist groups tend to be badly organised. Whatever exposure they do get is usually spent burning cars at G8 summits- very productive! Like Dubya's invasion of Iraq anarchists are very good at shouting about their believes but appear to have no set plan about what to do afterwards. How do we know when a state of anarchism is 'achieved'- how would people cynical of anarchy be accomodated? What would stop one individual alternative. As a conclusion I am not 'brainwashed' by the government- I am aware of the many flaws of democracy but I would choose that any day over anarchy. There is no such thing as anarchy without chaos. Anarchy may work in micro- societies but most people would miss capitalism too much for it to develop as the status-quo. The world is very far from perfect but it is considerably better than the nightmare world that would develop if anarchists ever got their act together. trying to gain power over others? What would stop potential Hitlers, Maos or Stalins? Even if a state of anarchy is reached how is it maintained? The few examples in history where anarchy has existed it has lasted for a very short time. On that point I am aware you will probably say 'thats because fascists/capitalists stopped them'- yes so how would anarchists prevent that?
4. In an anarchist society criminals would be free to run wild as there would be no prisons. Mob rule would flourish and paranoia and a trigger-happy self-defence attitude would reign. On the surface anarchy sounds like a great idea- most people, including me, get pissed at the government for one reason or another, but the world and society is not half as bad as the Boschian image anarchists love to paint. I am yet to see an anarchist do something useful- they are good at complaining but thats it- when do they ever back up their complaints with productive actions. For instance the losers who were violently rioting at Heilengendamm last year claimed they were expressing their disgust at world leaders perceived lack of action on poverty. But what did they do about it. Fuck all. To work for charity would be to work in an organised system and this would be un-anarchist. I have a lot more respect for someone trying to change society rather than someone who just complains about it. You don't vote- well then either don't complain or do something useful as an I don't really care if you people label me a fascist pig because in my eyes you're extremely naive, spoiled brats who aren't interested in helping the world but rather 'tearing it all down'

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5 July, 2008 - 20:57

Min hatha waleish bidna ya3alam zaina?

Seriously, calling this an "attack" on anarchy. It's just some dude having a pissing contest with you. Why is he worth your effort?

5 July, 2008 - 22:03

he's not, that's why i thought i would give it to you and see what you had to say ... i know these arguments are easily refuted, but perhaps some creative responses might come of it.

5 July, 2008 - 22:29

Another person who thinks anarchism is anti-organization. *sigh*

6 July, 2008 - 00:26

here's a link to the video this comment was posted on
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuRhY1XkMqc

6 July, 2008 - 01:02
anarchyjordan wrote:
here's a link to the video this comment was posted on
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuRhY1XkMqc

I would hate anarchism too if I was introduced to it by shit music.

6 July, 2008 - 10:08
anarchyjordan wrote:
here's a link to the video this comment was posted on
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuRhY1XkMqc

wrong, bad, and wrong.

7 July, 2008 - 08:02
anarchyjordan wrote:
here's a link to the video this comment was posted on
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuRhY1XkMqc

your main problem here is that your actually reading youtube comments, don;t do it

8 July, 2008 - 01:55
cantdocartwheels wrote:
anarchyjordan wrote:
here's a link to the video this comment was posted on
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuRhY1XkMqc

your main problem here is that your actually reading youtube comments, don;t do it

yeah, isn't there some sort of pre-requisite that you have to be a complete fucking idiot to post comments on youtube????

9 July, 2008 - 16:04

out of the whole internet i have seen the most racism on youtube comments by far
it could be a video about firemen putting out fires and someone will bring up white power

9 July, 2008 - 17:29
Quote:
shit music.

oh "noes", maybe he was introduced to anarchism by 'life at the outpost'

9 July, 2008 - 18:05

yeesh.

the guy's not criticising Anarchism. he's criticising a straw-man. you could always just reply that what he's just described is not your ideology, and that, in spite of how smugly confident he feels that he knows what Anarchism is, he honestly knows nothing about it. like he's pointing at rocks and calling them trees.

9 July, 2008 - 19:09
anarchyjordan wrote:
Quote:
shit music.

oh "noes", maybe he was introduced to anarchism by 'life at the outpost'

That song rules.

9 July, 2008 - 22:51
Feighnt wrote:
yeesh.

the guy's not criticising Anarchism. he's criticising a straw-man. you could always just reply that what he's just described is not your ideology, and that, in spite of how smugly confident he feels that he knows what Anarchism is, he honestly knows nothing about it. like he's pointing at rocks and calling them trees.

Why bother trying to argue with a rock?

10 July, 2008 - 10:06
juozokas wrote:
out of the whole internet i have seen the most racism on youtube comments by far
it could be a video about firemen putting out fires and someone will bring up white power

Until blacks on benefits GET THERE SHIT 2GETHER and get a job and stop listenin to RAP MUSIC all day and drinking fried chicken i don't see why white ppl who have jobs, like fireman which is a job, should risk there lives trynna put out the fires they start whislt smoking crack with there buddy jamal.

I'm not racist or anything, but when will black ppl get there shit together???????????????????????

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10 July, 2008 - 12:52

tl;dr

Anarchyjordan, Libcom is not your personal army. Maybe write a bad song replying to his easily refuted arguments.

10 July, 2008 - 14:35

jesus i dare you to make ONE post JUST ONE which doesn't rape e/baumsworld weeler.

faaaack me

10 July, 2008 - 15:00

Hi tacks, at least I make it work.

10 July, 2008 - 15:08

you make it work for you, yes. This says a lot but nothing we did not know already.

10 July, 2008 - 15:12


A stalinist mudkip is fine too.

10 July, 2008 - 15:21

BULLSHIT!

Show me your war face soldier!

10 July, 2008 - 18:46

This is heading into bin territory the way its going...

10 July, 2008 - 21:28

Jordan, point him to the anarchist faq and tell him you won't discuss politics with him until after he's read it
Feighnt's right, the guys making up strawmen and knocking them down. Plus, yeah, possibly the dumbest people on the internet are youtube commentors, don't waste too much time on the matter.

The song's not that damn bad guys!

11 July, 2008 - 01:55

Wait a sec...
I thought you did hate anarchism?
wink

oh yea!
just the anarchists right?

11 July, 2008 - 02:54

<shameless self-promotion>
well thanks dave, glad to hear you like my music a little...
welp, you can go ahead and drop this into the bin i guess, since i don't really care anyway, just wanted to see what you folks would say to all this. thanks personal army! you guys are the best.
PS if you want to read more insane reactions to the mindblowingly masterful video and musical works ANARCHYJORDAN (whoever that is) has gifted to the world just check into the comments on all 24 of the "detournements" he's made, especially "ann coulter wins the 2006 stupid bitch award" and "the mises institute gets a pie in the face" (the latter video AKA "adolfleeza mcthinktank gets lei'd" and/or "money is debt is slavery is murder") at
http://www.youtube.com/anarchyjordan

</shameless self-promotion>

11 July, 2008 - 09:17
anarchyjordan wrote:
But its 100 times better than being in anarchy- maybe you would prefer to live in Somalia?

Somalia is not an anarchist society -- only idiots like "anarcho"-capitalists argue it is....

anarchyjordan wrote:
Tell me just one productive thing anarchists have done.......

Stopped Franco in his tracks on the 19th of July 1936? That is impressive.... Or how about Kropotkin's Mutual Aid, which argued for the standard biological notion of reciprocal altruism 70 years before it was independently rediscovered?

anarchyjordan wrote:
1) Anarchists claim to be anti-politics and yet constantly endorse political ideologies- 'Anarcho- Capitalism', 'Anarcho-Communism' for instance.

Well, as "anarcho"-capitalism is considered a form of anarchism, this person obviously doesn't have a clue. And Communism, Collectivism, Mutualism, etc are all economic, not political, doctrines....

anarchyjordan wrote:
2) Anarchy by its nature is against structure.

ROTFL! Are we to take this seriously? This guy has no idea what he is talking about....

anarchyjordan wrote:
3) Anarchists have yet to provide concrete proof as to how they would re-organise the world to fit anarchism.

Sure, and the collectives and communes of the Ukrainian and Spanish revolutions never existed...

anarchyjordan wrote:
As a conclusion I am not 'brainwashed' by the government- I am aware of the many flaws of democracy but I would choose that any day over anarchy.

I guess the problem is that this person has no idea what anarchy actually is...

anarchyjordan wrote:
What would stop potential Hitlers, Maos or Stalins?

Right, sure, and the state stopped Hitler, Mao and Stalin! What an amazingly self-contradictory argument (if it can be classed as that!).

anarchyjordan wrote:
To work for charity would be to work in an organised system and this would be un-anarchist.

ROTFL! This gets better and better...

anarchyjordan wrote:
I don't really care if you people label me a fascist pig because in my eyes you're extremely naive, spoiled brats who aren't interested in helping the world but rather 'tearing it all down'

Well, better than than extremely ignorant and stupid, and willing to show the world it....

12 July, 2008 - 07:35

i know! i thought it was hilarious too! that's the reason i posted it. i've had so many awesome freak outs on these videos it's really unbelievable.

seriously good responses anarcho.

more music videos....
situationist.gq.nu/musicvids.html

12 July, 2008 - 07:47

oh yeah and i guess he also hasn't seen the anarchist international information service
http://www.anarchy.no
they say that "Somalia with its rivaling polyarchy and heavy ochlarchy is the most authoritarian country in the world."
"official pages of the IAF" smile

12 July, 2008 - 09:14
anarchyjordan wrote:
oh yeah and i guess he also hasn't seen the anarchist international information service
http://www.anarchy.no
they say that "Somalia with its rivaling polyarchy and heavy ochlarchy is the most authoritarian country in the world."
"official pages of the IAF" :)

Those people are pathetic, they vandalized my wikipedia user page because I'm an 'ochlarchical charlatan,' whatever that's supposed to mean. They support the idea of anarchist police too neutral

12 July, 2008 - 09:43
anarchyjordan wrote:
oh yeah and i guess he also hasn't seen the anarchist international information service
http://www.anarchy.no
they say that "Somalia with its rivaling polyarchy and heavy ochlarchy is the most authoritarian country in the world."
"official pages of the IAF" :)

that websight looked vary strange, so i looked around a bit and found this on the real iaf-ifa page

http://www.iaf-ifa.org/documents/anorg_warning_norway.html

some one is pretending to represent iaf-ifa

12 July, 2008 - 11:42

yeah those guys are certainly wacky
i always love anyone trying to say they "represent" the world's anarchists anyway
especially when they have such awesome words as "ochlarchy" and say that a given country is a certain "percent" anarchist ha ha ha
but it's certainly truer that somalia is, as they say, definitely authoritarian, and not, as the commenter on my video says, an "anarchy."
new thread
http://libcom.org/forums/theory/anarchyno-12072008