BIRTH OF A PAPER TIGER
May 8 2009 17:20
BIRTH OF A PAPER TIGER
On the level of appearances, which is always their main form of existence, Whitechapel Anarchist Group (http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/) is essentially a marketing concept of the '80s - a kind of anarcho-Saatchi and Saatcchi. Like the New Labour under Thatcher...sorry Tony Blair, they are trying to reinvented a new way to sell politics to the working class. Thatcherism achieved a crushing victory in the arena of class conflict, and its tactics have been copied by ruling classes across the globe. Politically it has even succeeded in redefining its opposition; Gordon Brown's New Labour is only the most obvious example, but we can also see WAG as the bastard child of Thatcherism. At a time when Thatcherite policies were destroying or radically restructuring the industries and communities that had been the strongholds of class struggle (and thereby also destroying the old forms of struggle) WAG responds by publicising themselves as the defenders of the traditional working class values of these communities. This takes the form of various kinds of opportunism such as the G20 “Storm The Banks”; media spectacles designed only to publicize the organization and keep its personnel occupied.
The Bank of England G20 “riot” was not allowed anywhere near the Banks (except the windows of an RBS branch left for media manipulation) and was instead diverted by the TSG thugs into a gigantic kettle. It was hilarious to see bankers watching from their offices as a couple of hundred predominantly anarcho-ninja types marched down their streets with a banner proclaiming 'Behold Your Future Executioners'! Publicising a riot in advance is like informing the law beforehand of your intention to hold up a bank.
Whitechapel Anarchist Groups other main stereotype is of the typical proletarian rebel as young, white, living in a squat and swearing a lot; like all organizations looking for a constituency to recruit from and sell to WAG reduced all the individual and collective diversity of real people down to a convenient lowest common denominator.
WAG always projects an anti-intellectual pose as part of their identikit working class image; in effect this means being generally anti-theoretical and ahistorical. This denial of an historical perspective led them to define the working class, its interests and consciousness in terms of their most immediate, temporary and shallow manifestations. This was the basis of WAG adopted tabloid style.
Obsessed with the powerful social influence of the content of the media, and constantly prostituting the organization as a public image, WAG has failed to grasp any real understanding of the social function of the media form. Populist journalism is an invention of middle class tabloid hacks which claim to speak for and represent the working class - but like all media representatives, the real function is to pacify and manipulate. Its intention is to mould working class identity, not merely to reflect it. The desired effect of all populist journalism (of whatever creed) is to suspend critical thought on the part of the reader and encourage predictable (Pavlovian) responses.
WAG fails to see tabloid populism as an historical trend needing to be ridiculed, but instead takes it at its face value and embraces it. As the mass media came to invade daily life more and more, this and other factors combined to close off areas within working class culture where people could find time and space to think, read, reflect, discuss and debate social questions and organize struggle around their needs. There has been a massive and unprecedented decline in class struggle in the UK since its high point in the '70s. A working class under attack and in retreat from Thatcherite monetarism, a more repressive architecture and policing changing the use of public space, new more isolated forms of leisure consumption etc. - all this contributed to a withering of a combative proletarian culture. More than ever before, opinion is no longer created but only received.
We live in the age of the sound-bite, where carefully constructed pre-arranged fragments of words and images are constantly recycled in the media. (On average television is now packaging politics in a form of 40-second sound-bites.) As always, the media is a one way transmission belt from Power to the passive spectator, offering only various impotent false choices. The whole process is a closed circuit, completely stage managed, denying the possibility for collective discussion and development of complex ideas and realities. An historical development of the repression of critical thought or cretinization process - influencing the whole of society - is at work here. With their anti-theoretical attitude, WAG has unconsciously became a part of this process.
WAG 's anxiety and awkward self-consciousness about using long words, abstract concepts, political terminology etc. is a symptom of the retarding effects of their populism. (It was sometimes implied that being theoretical was 'elitist' or 'middle class' - a patronizing insult to the self-educating efforts of the historical working class movement. This is quite dishonest, as many WAG members have studied for degrees, and many are well read in what they might call 'difficult theory'. The assumption seems to be that while politicos like them can grasp it and are influenced by it, your mythical average prole cant or wouldn't be interested.)
This retarding influence means that WAG 's analysis and coverage of events is usually quite limited and shallow, avoiding dealing with the real contradictions within the working class; especially the conservative aspects of working class culture, e.g. the internalized and conditioned values, attitudes and practices that are an obstacle to liberation.
Apart from opportunism, they also embody the other side of practical anarchism, elitism. There is no doubt that readers of WAG are supposed to be recruited opportunistically. The perfect reaction would be for Joe Worker or Joan Housewife to say, " WAG is the only group which really puts the verbal boot in against the rich in real working class language; they really know the business."
Underlying this populism is certain patronizing assumptions about what the 'average prole' is capable of comprehending and what projected image of WAG would make them most popular to the largest number of 'average proles'. While WAG remains on the terrain of wanting to escalate class struggle, their chosen methods only reinforced certain tendencies of existing society. Being basically anarchist, there could be no hierarchical leader figures to worship (although inevitably there is some informal internal hierarchy) but the real star of the show was the media image of the WAG organization itself - and all those associated with it can bask in its reflected glory. This is the source of the boring arrogance often displayed by WAG, along the lines of ' WAG is the bizness and does the bizness.'
For most of the history of the proletarian movement, a demanding critical thought was not seen as alien or elitist. In fact research into the use of union libraries, workers' book collections, radical publishers etc. shows that 'deep' theoretical works were often far more widely read amongst sections of the proletariat than the upper classes. Knowledge was something that had to be fought for collectively and did not come cheap to the poor, and was therefore all the more highly valued. Proles were open to theory if it could be seen to be useful and related to their own reality and struggle. There were also many lectures, debates, meetings and workers educational events regularly held; "it can be estimated on the basis of published speakers' lists in various journals that between 1885 and 1939 there were approximately 100 street corner meetings per week throughout London." Self-educated artisan/worker theoreticians produced by this international culture include; Weitling, Proudhon, Dietzgen, Bill Haywood, B. Tavern, Paul Mattick, Lucy Parsons, Makhno, Arshinov, Jack Common, Fundi the Caribbean Situationist etc.
All this is mentioned not in the interests of romantic nostalgia, but to show how much autonomous working class culture has been repressed, and the consequences of its loss that we have to suffer today. WAG 's resort to tabloidism can never be a solution; you can never cure the problem by using the very form that had helped to create it.
The contradiction between WAG 's stock-in-trade populism, which is their basis of existence, and the growing need of some members for greater theoretical clarity can not be resolved and ultimately will threaten WAG’s internal stabillity. The tabloid form, although a dead-weight, can not be abandoned without robbing WAG of its only identity and character. But this form is, by its very design, simplistic and reductive; wholly inadequate for and incompatible with theoretical expression and development.
WAG 's main fault, and it includes all the others, is to be a political organisation as hundreds have existed in the world before, imbued with ideology, unable to look at the past and gain knowledge from it, more concerned with denouncing this society than with searching for its weaknesses and go on the offensive in a considered and coherent manner.
In any future proletarian social movement channels of direct collective communication will need to reappear as practice; in exactly what forms remains to be seen. WAG 's populism pandered to the anti-intellectual/anti-theoretical tradition within British culture; as one of them put it, 'We want action not theory' - a slogan fit only for headless chickens. Many of the criticisms in this article are shared by some of WAG and were voiced internally; but these contradictions are never allowed to surface publicly, so as to preserve a 'sussed' group public image. This is the opposite of what is necessary - rather than the working class itself searching for an adequate theory and practice by confronting openly its own contradictions, instead a political faction attempting to recruit people around a false image of unity which is the result of repressed contradictions.
At the Anarchist Bookfair in 2008, when WAG was in their ascendancy, intoxicated by media attention and believing their own hype, a WAG celebrity got on stage and drunkenly announced to the assembled anarchos, "You workplace class struggle types and climate camp eco-liberals have had the anarchist movement for long enough - now it's our turn. And if we haven't stormed a bank within five months then you can have it back". Well, 7 months on and it's seems it's WAG that are having difficulty fulfilling their promise, with little but a collection of Daily Mail newspaper cuttings to show for it, while this society carries ruthlessly on. Testimony to the fact that you can't fight alienation with alienated means.
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Disclaimer: This is a piss-take of an original article, http://www.geocities.com/aufheben2/auf_6_cwar.html, was not produced by aufheben and is NOT in anyway connected to the present collective.
May 8 2009 22:31
#2
Jesuslovesme, how is your understanding of the group?
And as for this,
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You workplace class struggle types and climate camp eco-liberals have had the anarchist movement for long enough - now it's our turn. And if we haven't stormed a bank within five months then you can have it back
this was actually said?
May 8 2009 23:48
#3
No, it's just a rewriting of the Aufheben article about CW to fit WAG.
May 9 2009 01:44
#4
The CW critique was not written by Aufheben; they just printed it (or reprinted, not sure). If memory serves me right, it was either BM Blob, BM Combustion or maybe both who wrote it.
May 9 2009 06:43
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If memory serves me right, it was either BM Blob, BM Combustion or maybe both who wrote it.
It was neither. Though they knew the writer.
May 9 2009 15:39
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Ret Marut wrote:
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If memory serves me right, it was either BM Blob, BM Combustion or maybe both who wrote it.It was neither. Though they knew the writer.
That makes sense. I went back and looked at the Aufheben and they don't credit to anyone except for a "comrade" -- I suppose if it was any of those guys they would've said so. Thanks for setting me straight!
May 10 2009 17:27
#7
october_lost wrote:
Jesuslovesme, how is your understanding of the group?
They embody all that is presently idiotic about Anarchism. At a time when we need be taken seriously by various layers of society, workers especially, we find ourselves held hostage by fools who regurgitate tactics that should have been buried 10 years ago.
May 12 2009 12:55
#8
Jesuslovesme wrote:
BIRTH OF A PAPER TIGERAt a time when Thatcherite policies were destroying or radically restructuring the industries and communities that had been the strongholds of class struggle (and thereby also destroying the old forms of struggle) WAG responds by publicising themselves as the defenders of the traditional working class values of these communities. This takes the form of various kinds of opportunism such as the G20 “Storm The Banks”; media spectacles designed only to publicize the organization and keep its personnel occupied.
Even on your own terms, this is a load of shit. Leaving aside your 'humorous' disclaimer, it's a) very much an anachronism to talk about Thatcherite ideas; b) bollocks to suggest that we (WAG) were involved in G20 activity purely to publicise ourselves, or to keep our members occupied. We've been publicising ourselves quite well enough around our local area, thank you, without having to invent activities simply to keep busy.
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The Bank of England G20 “riot” was not allowed anywhere near the Banks (except the windows of an RBS branch left for media manipulation) and was instead diverted by the TSG thugs into a gigantic kettle.
This shows how much you know about the day. If it wasn't 'allowed' anywhere near banks, what was it doing, er, immediately outside the Bank of England? The only other people to describe it as a "riot" were some of the more rabid papers immediately afterwards - which goes to show where you stand on this. As for being 'diverted' into a gigantic kettle, the people from the four marches went into the corral of their own accord. The TSG were stationed behind lines of level 2 public order trained officers, and after the marches' arrival formed a cordon. The TSG did not therefore need to move anyone to get their wicked way with the kettle.
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Whitechapel Anarchist Groups other main stereotype is of the typical proletarian rebel as young, white, living in a squat and swearing a lot; like all organizations looking for a constituency to recruit from and sell to WAG reduced all the individual and collective diversity of real people down to a convenient lowest common denominator.
This shows the paucity of your research: we do not sell the paper, we give it away free. All organizations recruit, even libcom - does this mean that you reduce all the collective and individual diversity of real people down to a convenient lowest common denominator? What about Aufheben, who seek to sell their wretched magazine? Incidentally, perhaps you could give me an example of this 'typical proletarian rebel' from the pages of our paper. I won't hold my breath, though.
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WAG always projects an anti-intellectual pose as part of their identikit working class image; in effect this means being generally anti-theoretical and ahistorical. This denial of an historical perspective led them to define the working class, its interests and consciousness in terms of their most immediate, temporary and shallow manifestations. This was the basis of WAG adopted tabloid style.
You've clearly missed the historical bent of our papers. Perhaps if you bothered reading them, you'd be well aware that we see ourselves as part of Whitechapel's radical tradition. If by 'anti-intellectual' you mean that we don't know what we're talking about, it's somewhat surprising that we have probably the largest library of anarchist material outside academia in London, and - what's more - between them our members have read it.
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This is the source of the boring arrogance often displayed by WAG, along the lines of ' WAG is the bizness and does the bizness.'
Example?
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Self-educated artisan/worker theoreticians produced by this international culture include; Weitling, Proudhon, Dietzgen, Bill Haywood, B. Tavern, Paul Mattick, Lucy Parsons, Makhno, Arshinov, Jack Common, Fundi the Caribbean Situationist etc.
I think you'll find it's Traven. From the sounds of it, you've spent too long in the pub.
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At the Anarchist Bookfair in 2008, when WAG was in their ascendancy,
Don't think we'd been launched then.
May 12 2009 12:08
#9
Jesuslovesme wrote:
october_lost wrote:
Jesuslovesme, how is your understanding of the group?They embody all that is presently idiotic about Anarchism. At a time when we need be taken seriously by various layers of society, workers especially, we find ourselves held hostage by fools who regurgitate tactics that should have been buried 10 years ago.
Fools who regurgitate tactics which should have been buried ten years ago? I think what our movement needs more is rid of fuckwits who can do no more than vomit wanky analyses which never fit the situation they were originally written for.
If, after six months existence, we wield such influence in the anarchist milieu that people believe we hold the movement hostage, we're clearly doing far better than I'd thought.
May 12 2009 12:51
#10
Firstly, I would just like to say how cowardly it is to hide behind a brand new username just for the sake of vilifying WAG. It really does speak volumes. Whatever happened to comradely criticism?
Unlike yourself, I dont have the time or the inclination to get embroiled in lengthy internet-based bitching. Whilst there may be many things wrong with WAG, i think Libcom is just as guilty of having a retarding effect on the movement through its ability to provide an anonymous platform for those who have issues with their self-esteem and a distinct lack of social skills.
So, in light of that, im simply gonna set the record straight.
WAG started 6 months ago, as part of a new initiative for comrades in london to organize locally, pushed by Haringey Solidarity Group. As far as i am aware, were the only people - along with Action East End - to have actually taken it up to the extent that we have, although i am informed that others are on their way.
We started by producing slick freesheets to promote the need for a WAG before the group was even really formed - this was handed out at the Bookfair and people were encouraged to come to the founding meeting one month later to get involved and shape WAG how they want to see it. You were more than welcome.
Since then we have had regular film screenings, regular paper distros on brick lane, radical history drinking tours of the area (hows that for ahistorical?), promoting and organizing events in coalition with other london anarchists, getting more people involved in the LARC library (anti-theoretical, anyone?) maintained a blog and a youtube channel and - above all - provided a regular open monthly meeting comprised of people who are actually welcoming and friendly.
Oh, and yes...there has been media interest, and we arent ashamed of that. As far as i'm aware, people on the whole are wising up to the need to get some kind of media exposure (however distorted), from WAG to L&S.
As for the WAG paper, its a work in progress! We try to make papers that are eye-catching, with good design and short, straight-to-the-point articles. The reason why you dont see lengthy theoretical articles is not because we think people are stupid, but that we dont think a free, locally-orientated folded A2 newspaper is the best place for it. We do, however, promote the freedom bookshop in every paper we have. Anti-intellectual my arse.
There are also many other things in the pipeline for WAG. We are by no means a one trick pony, and you havent seen anything yet. I find it interesting that you chose to use an article about CW towards the end of its heyday to slate a group which has only been around for 6 months.
Far from being "held hostage" by our influence, you actually want us to repeat the mistakes of the past so you and all the other conservatives of the anarchist movement can utter a collective "i told you so" and then have something to talk about for the next 10 years on stale internet forums. Through this article you also attempt to portray WAG as an anarchist group against all others - this is absolutely fucking slanderous (oops, there I go...patronisingly sterotypical prole rebel with my swearing!) as we put alot of work into networking with and supporting the efforts of other groups. Just look at our blog!
If you see something that we arent doing well enough, then why not lead by example? We actually want a better movement, and a stronger, more militant working class. We are keen to see groups get out there, try new and different things and we know that inevitably people will do it better than us. Sweet. Because "while society carries ruthlessly on", as you put it, we realise that this is no time to be precious, bitter or divisive. Weve got to be contructive in our criticism and dynamic in our responses if were gonna get anywhere.
Anyway, enough from me -
A, WAG
May 12 2009 14:18
#11
Bravo comrades,
A cunning comparison of Whitechapel Anarchist Group to Class War, though of course this is a very funny article it does have many problems ( mainly because as we all know the article was written about Class War and not WAG) so here’s a couple of things I have problems with.
“Basted child”– of course, were a product of the society were in, any group that hasn’t been effected by the political landscape of the last 100 years should properly stick to the sound track of ‘1917 the greatest hits’
“G20 ‘Storm the Banks’; media spectacles designed only to publicize the organization and keep its personnel occupied”
Our group name did not appear on the posters put out, though our members did spend much of our time handing them out in an attempt to get some people that weren’t activists to turn up.
The press focused a lot of attention on our group, but they also focused a lot on the Wombles and Class War which does suggest maybe their reporting was a little bit flawed (which we addressed in our online article Evading Standards)
We did not ask for this attention, the only interviews we gave were to Dissident Radio, one interview to Radio 5 and one interview to Radio 4, and were actually quite worried that the media lies would destroy any links we had made in the Whitechapel community.
But your right it was a media spectacle we should have all tuned up with guns an killed every world leader, or maybe shown some solidarity an marched with the trots to the American embassy.
The tone of April 1st was very different from what I understand any of the Bash the Rich events were like (though I can not be sure because I never attended any of these) with live music , street performs and a couple of horsemen providing a slight carnival feel i think this was good thing.
“anti-intellectual pose” We are guilty of not printing 20,000 words essays focusing on obscure aspects of activist theory and practice, but we thought ... well maybe ...since most groups do produce articles along these line and don’t mange to distribute any of their literature we might try a different method of writing articles that people want to read.
I know, what were thinking? We stop intellectual masturbation for one second and all of a sudden were talking about issues like unemployment, housing and police brutality.
Still one day we hope to adjust this problem with our group, we often sit around reading anarchist literature whishing we could understand it well enough to write about a new revisionist article concerning an obscure Labour movement from 1923 so we could really connect with the working classes, but till then I guess we’ll have to keep writing a paper people want to read.
Most of us do have degrees, but personally I’ve never found a person’s knowledge of theory to be a measure of intelligence, I didn’t find endless arguments concerning theory to be an interesting pass time as a student and I do not think it is now.
The idea that were against a historical tradition of working class critical thought is insulting, most of our members dedicate our spare time into the up keep of the LARC Library, and two of our three covers were taken from old copies of The Blast
With many groups consumed by theoretical discussions we don’t see the need to cater for this type of activism. WAG involvement is not exclusive so if you want that type of debate a person can attend and be a member of those organizations then come to our meetings when they feel like doing something.
“WAG is the bizness and does the bizness.” This is true.
“unable to look at the past and gain knowledge from it” Our first paper had an article relating to local history, we have organized one radical history pub crawl and are organizing a second.
“Many of the criticisms in this article are shared by some of WAG and were voiced internally; but these contradictions are never allowed to surface publicly” our main place of debate are our public meetings (so public that the Daily Mail attended the last one) though we do argue we see this as productive and far better than petty factions or splits.
Since we are a local organization we don’t have vast amounts of members if anyone really disagreed with the group style of politics I’m sure they would express their views or stop being involved, after all why would anyone want to be in a group when they don’t have the freedom to express their politics openly?
I don’t know who wrote the article, and don’t really care, but good on you for having a dig at our small local group that’s only been going a few months whilst it’s trying to establish its identity and put on community events.
The writer of this (I say writer ...person that changed the name Class War to WAG) has fallen into the same hole as the lazy journalist hack, seeing only the group’s media image and not the people involved.
If you have more criticisms of our group the best I can suggest is for any person reading this to come along to our meeting on the 21st of May in LARC at 7.30, you could call us Class War wanna be’s or a bunch of stupid tossers, sexists, fascists, counter revolutionaries or you could try help us build an alternative to the shit world we live in.
Gawain
WAG (Whitechapel Anarchist Group) – aka the Bizness
(the views here are not representative of WAG as a whole)
May 12 2009 14:33
#12
Just read the last WAG newsletter which seems to have a good local focus plus stuff of more general interest.
How many of you actually live in whitechapel as opposed to choosing it a the focus of your activity? Also, the local area is largely non white muslim - so, how do you approach that reality.
May 12 2009 14:52
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the vast majority of us live in the locality
as for how we relate to our muslim neighbours, we aim to try and cut across those boundaries somehow. Were looking to set up some public debates and discussion groups actively engaging with the muslim community. Issues such as fascism and squatting have been intrinsically tied in with the history of the bengali community in whitechapel, and are still relevant today.
May 12 2009 16:56
#14
Jesuslovesme it sounds like you write for the Daily Mail or something? Maybe that's where you do your research?
Here's a few facts for you:
- Whitechapel Anarchist Group was founded on 23rd October 2008 (The Anarchist Bookfair of 2008 occurred on 15th Oct) after producing 1000 free sheets and handing them out locally over the course of september. The inside featured a map of the area and points of historical interest.
View it here:http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/free-sheet-out-now-and-news-on-the-bnp/
- To date the group has produced three issues of a free local news sheet.
Issue 1 (Dec/Jan) : http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/free-sheet-issue-1-available-december-7th/
Issue 2 (Feb/Mar) : http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/wag-free-sheet-issue-two-available-sunday-15th-february/
Issue 3 (Apr/May) : http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/issue-3-of-wag-out-now/
- The papers articles have covered local history, housing, squatting, gentrification, the olympics, bnp in bethnal green, unemployment, police brutality, campaign for market traders rights etc etc etc.
- Each print run, produced by local printers Aldgate Press, is of 2000 (Thats 6000 in total over 6 months) which are handed out on sundays on Bricklane getting a very warm response locally.
- We have held one Radical History Pub Crawl on January 31st 2009:
http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/east-end-radical-history-pub-crawl-sunday-cinema-cafe-and-next-public-meeting/
And have a second Radical History Pub Crawl planned (And publicised in Issue 3) for Saturday 30th May.
- We hold regular open public meetings which have a rough attendance of 20-40 people each time from various back grounds including traders off the market.
- The age range of the members in the group is from 14 - 60 with diverse backgrounds in class, race and sex. Predominatly everyone involved in the group lives in the area or they are closely attached through work or studies etc.
- We hold regular Cinema Cafes on Sundays screening independent and disregarded gems of cinema.
- Members of WAG are heavily involved in the running and up keep of the library at LARC.
- WAG write a local news collumn for Freedom Paper, the oldest anarchist paper in Britain.
- Groups we have worked with so far in some form or manner include: London Coalition Against Poverty, Space Hijackers, Freedom Bookshop, RampARTS Social Centre, Fur Free Brick Lane, Antifa, Haringey Solidarity Group, Camden Anarchists, Action East End, Walthamstow Anarchist Group, Hackney Solidarity Network, Fitwatch, Dissident Island Radio, G20 Meltdown, Liberty & Solidarity, Industrial Workers Of The World, Zine Symposium etc etc.
- Whitechapel Anarchist Group are also part of London Anarchists - networking with people from varying groups and organisations city wide - as well as Radical London - the building blocks of local groups across London.
- We run a popular blog: 19,000 views.
- A Popular Youtube Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Whitechapelanarchist
Which includes filming and uploading shows like "Anarchism In The Uk" featuring John Rety, Martin Wright, Phil Ruff etc. As well as the Anarchist Rallies on March 28th 2008 in Speakers Corner and the Anarchist Mayday Rally 2008 in Clerkenwell Green.
- Members have played key roles in organising the Militant Workers Block on the Put People First march as well as helping organise the above mentioned rallies.
- WAG have had a presence at key political demonstrations over the course of the past six months including the Gaza demonstrations, G20 protests and the Smash Edo events.
- We are planning a massive summer festival off Brick Lane called "The Return Of The Spitalfields Fair" which has a fancy dress theme of ghosts from the east end. We will be producing 5000 copies of Issue 4 of WAG to promote this event.
- We have developed strong ties internationally with groups in Italy, Greece and Australia.
- Other future events include "The Big Debates" to be held at a local town hall and deal with important local issues and themes on religion, politics etc. As well as also producing a one year annual full of facts and information on setting up your own local group to be launched in October 2009.
This is all fiction:
The Daily Mail
The Independent
The Evening Standard
The Daily Mirror
Jesuslovesme
Ask any member of WAG (Come down to the public meeting on the 21st?) and no one will say we have things perfect. But we are doing something productive and worthwhile which is developing as we develop as a group.
Why do people like yourself feel the need to spread such poisonous and malicious lies?
Are you a little bit jealous and bitter about our success? I mean we have only been going for 6 months. What is it you have ever achieved? And I don't just mean in the last 6 months but ever in your life that has been worthwhile and relevant to people? What group(s) are you involved in? What have you ever done of any significance? Or are you content in your armchair wasting time attacking people on the internet?
Your article made me laugh to be honest. Laugh at the fact there is somewhere sad enough somewhere to waste their time doing this.
Here's a theory for you: Get up off your arse and get a life.
Greg WAG
May 12 2009 17:02
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WAG, probably best not to assume it was a libcommer who attacked your group. In fairness nobody on this site really needs a pseudonym to talk shite and there is no history of animosity towards you.
May 12 2009 17:18
#16
Fair enough, maybe we jumped the gun a little.
Look forward to working with you in the future...
May 12 2009 19:34
#17
WAG.
Bunch of do nothing students.
Wow, that old article critiquing Class War still really bugs some people - ie, CW's inheritors? Insofar as they still feel the need to refer to their resentment of it without being able to come up with any coherent critique of it?