On the 1960-today: Skinhead culture post there is an interesting exchange of views on class between libcom admin Steven and regular contributor Red Marriot:
Whoops, this is a little embarrassing. I have unpublished the article for the time being. TBH I hadn't looked at this article since I copied it over from the old site six years ago. I know nothing about skinheads, so am happy to defer to those who are more knowledgeable.I'm not that surprised about this being reproduced: this has been one of our most popular articles for a long time…
Red, not to get into this with you again, but we have no problem with the idea of a "middle class" but this doesn't have a distinct economic interest separate from the proletariat.
Steven wrote:
Red, not to get into this with you again, but we have no problem with the idea of a "middle class" but this doesn't have a distinct economic interest separate from the proletariat.Well without 'getting into it again' too much - and ignoring the 'not really a valid category' implication of your usual "m/c" in inverted commas - the above "libcom"-signed article claims a distinct economic disparity of income and resulting disparate "economic interest" in consumption;
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While the middle class Mods were able to carry on pursuing the latest Carnaby Street clothes and fashionable haircuts, this was out of reach to most working class Mods. In a scene so heavily based on consumerism, this undermined the working class Mods' status and ability to take part in the scene.There are also pretty clear "distinct economic interests" and outcomes energetically pursued by the middle class in the 'consumption' of education; eg, for their offspring via the stratified public/private education system and relative disparate working and middle class access to it.
You disagreed with the point about consumption in the article. But regardless of that, having different consumption habits does not equate to having not having a shared economic interest under capitalism in the abolition of capitalism, and resulting in the abolition of their own exploitation.
Well, as an abstraction, that's just as true for all classes (whether they realise or not), including for the ruling class - we'd be all hopefully be happier, more fulfilled beings in a classless society (bit pointless otherwise).As I pointed out - and as functional definitions of classes must take account of - consumption habits aren't abstractions detached from the economic role of classes, those habits are defined/made possible largely by the economic role; by the available spending power and so access, by leisure as cultural reproduction of distinct classes etc. Your error is to repeatedly and absurdly pretend that 'middle class' is merely a description of consumption habits without bothering to define what the material basis of those habits is and their origin and function in socio-economic reality of class relations. With this sleight of hand you avoid explaining how a purely "cultural middle class" supposedly emerged historically (and subsists) as a class supposedly without any socio-economic base to its culture - surely an idealistic impossibility for any class. Hence my reference to educational privilege - but I have to remind myself that I'm talking to someone who has previously denied to me that UK public schools (for foreign readers; the most expensive, exclusive schools) are an educational form of class privilege (rather than just some supposed abstract non-class privilege). But rather than waste time re-running our previous disagreements here I'd rather just publish our earlier private message debate on this.
Sometime ago on Libcoms intro to class I raised a similar points Red Marriot has about the "middle class" and got dismissed by Libcom editors of the article (which was fair because it would have lengthened the article):
Maybe a section on 'pro working class' organisations like trade unions and 'workers' parties and the bureaucrats that have a hand in running them.Quote:
When talking about history and social change it can be useful to refer to this group as a middle class in order to understand the behaviour of different groups. Class struggle can sometimes be derailed by allowing the creation or expansion of the middle class - Stakhanovite workers in the USSR received extra benefits in return for identifying with the Soviet government and working hard as individuals for example, and in South Africa the creation of a black middle class helped derail workers' struggles when apartheid was overturned. Bosses try to find ways to materially and psychologically divide the working class.Might be worth expanding on the sociological development of the middle classes in advanced 'free market' economies (opposed to state capitalist ones) and the decisive role competitive educational establishments have in determining social position and status (both psychological and material).
My personal feeling now is that limiting the scope of that intro article was wrong. Like the Libcom skinhead post I think it's too simplistic and fails to take into account the historical track record and function of the "middle class" (trade union and soviet party beauros included) as a mediating and stabilising force within capitalist society.
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We've done a separate introductory article on the unions: http://libcom.org/library/unions-introduction
the unions' role is the same regardless of the social class of the activists within it