Criticism of Scandinavian Economies?

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kerryhall
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Nov 25 2011 10:35
Criticism of Scandinavian Economies?

I talk to a lot of people who see Scandinavian countries as something to emulate. Is there a leaflet or something from a libertarian communist perspective regarding this issue? I know in Sweden a lot of the wealth comes from oil, but what about Denmark? It might be useful to tackle those economies one by one.

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Nov 25 2011 22:18

If you put any scandinavian country's name in the search, you will find plenty of articles suggesting that the situation is far from ideal. Whilst in terms of social wealth and levels of equality they do seem better than many other countries (unless you are a recent immigrant) but the people living there are still subject to the alienation and exploitation of a capitalist society.
A few links of scandinavian groups here
http://libcom.org/tags/k-mpa-tillsammans
http://libcom.org/tags/sac
http://libcom.org/news/planka-freeriding-in-sweden-and-finland-09022006

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Nov 26 2011 17:12
kerryhall wrote:
I talk to a lot of people who see Scandinavian countries as something to emulate.

I don't know where you are from but in the UK many people have a totally absurd image of Sweden that bears no relation to reality. Germans seem to be even more deluded. People form their opinions based on various media including stories for children then selectively picks out more and more information to support the thesis.

kerryhall wrote:
I know in Sweden a lot of the wealth comes from oil, but what about Denmark? It might be useful to tackle those economies one by one.
Thanks!

Sweden has no oil and Denmark have no natural resources. I'ts Norway that has the oil. Sweden has the advantage of being outside the euro, having a mixed economy and has had a supposedly Social Democratic government from day one which has moderated some of the issues.

Only the last couple of years have seen a liberal/conservative party in charge. The society has change a lot over the last 15 years including more people voting liberal and the whole tone of conversation becoming more conservative. All the freaky aspects of UK/US such as putting your kids in "correct" schools, housing prices skyrocketing, struggling for childcare and other signs of a competitive cutthroat society are making an appearance if only in mild form. I'ts very rapidly moving in the wrong direction.

Organised crime is quite widespread, lots of issues with immigrant labor being abused. Generally the vulnerable are getting a kicking atm. Saying all that it's probably a lot worse in the uk but it doesn't make the news in the same way cause in the main swedes are still pretty lefty and the outrage on these issues still exists.

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Nov 27 2011 03:13
Cooked wrote:
I don't know where you are from but in the UK many people have a totally absurd image of Sweden that bears no relation to reality. Germans seem to be even more deluded. People form their opinions based on various media including stories for children then selectively picks out more and more information to support the thesis.

I'm from the USA, and it's like that here too haha.

Cooked wrote:
Sweden has no oil and Denmark have no natural resources. I'ts Norway that has the oil.

Whoops haha.

Cooked wrote:
Sweden has the advantage of being outside the euro, having a mixed economy and has had a supposedly Social Democratic government from day one which has moderated some of the issues.

Only the last couple of years have seen a liberal/conservative party in charge. The society has change a lot over the last 15 years including more people voting liberal and the whole tone of conversation becoming more conservative. All the freaky aspects of UK/US such as putting your kids in "correct" schools, housing prices skyrocketing, struggling for childcare and other signs of a competitive cutthroat society are making an appearance if only in mild form. I'ts very rapidly moving in the wrong direction.

Organised crime is quite widespread, lots of issues with immigrant labor being abused. Generally the vulnerable are getting a kicking atm. Saying all that it's probably a lot worse in the uk but it doesn't make the news in the same way cause in the main swedes are still pretty lefty and the outrage on these issues still exists.

I understand that these things are happening, but I still need like....a leaflet or something for people to read that is like "Why we need anarchist communism vs social democracy"

kerryhall
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Dec 4 2011 03:50

Still looking for a leaflet about this

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Dec 4 2011 11:55

Kerry, lets research and write one together!

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Dec 5 2011 19:55

It's as if the Scandinavian countries embody the achievements of social-democratic reformism in Europe as a historical victory over workers struggle, as the farthest capitalism has been obliged to concede. But maybe it's just the nature of Scandinavian society that enabled the development of a more socialistic economy . I don't really know but this article might be useful: http://libcom.org/history/prevention-communism-radical-chains

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Feb 21 2012 22:20
John E Jacobsen wrote:
Kerry, lets research and write one together!

How's that pamphlet coming along? Would sure love to read it, or something like it!

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Feb 22 2012 17:57

Found something with statistics on poverty, unemployment, long work hours, low pay, crime, literacy skill levels, etc. for Sweden - comparing these stats with the USA and Canada. It shows that even Sweden has its problems, even if it's not as bad as other countries.

Jackson, Andrew. “Canada Beats USA – But Loses Gold to Sweden.” (08 Mar 2002) Canadian Council on Social Development. http://www.ccsd.ca/pubs/2002/olympic/indicators.htm

Also found a 2005 report saying there was 17,800 homeless people in Sweden. With a population of over 9 million that’s a very low percentage. But one homeless person is one too many.

“Homelessness in Sweden 2005 – scale and character” http://www.feantsa.org/files/indicators_wg/ETHOS2006/200613123.pdf

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Feb 23 2012 23:39

Thanks for posting these up. I haven't started doing anything on this, but I think something on Scandinavian economies would be good propaganda. Liberals are always proclaiming how grand they are - how they're the answer to our problems in the U.S. "The middle way" between communism and capitalism" they say.