Is it accurate to say that Marxist organisations like the SWP are more dominated by middle class intellectuals than most anarchist and libertarian Marxist organisations? I say this on the basis that the SWP seems to be almost completely top down in its approach to decision making and so forth. I am not suggesting that organisations made up of majority workers are completely immune to such a non-democratic hierarchical structure, but would it be preferable to being dominated by middle class intellectuals?
Dec 19 2011 01:14
Dec 19 2011 02:00
question: if i wear a blazer and a collared shirt does that make me a rich cunt? it's cool, i'll leave the communist movement if it does.
Dec 19 2011 03:47
Harrison wrote:
question: if i wear a blazer and a collared shirt does that make me a rich cunt? it's cool, i'll leave the communist movement if it does.
But then again:
Dec 19 2011 05:58
hmmm. history and mass movements may be all well and good, but i think i'd rather take my advice from a subcultural punk mag.
Dec 19 2011 11:41
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
Last time I wore a suit and tie on a demo I got accused of being a lawyer.
Dec 19 2011 12:14
It's so typical of this fetishistic society to care more about symbols like accents and what clothes someone wears than what people actually think and do.
Dec 19 2011 13:42
Quote:
‘Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society’
- Mark Twain.
Mind you when I saw the movie, ‘I am curious - yellow’, I was mildly impressed.
Dec 19 2011 13:54
The Observer Colour Supplement
I asked my mum,
"What class are we?"
"Middle." she said.
"Oh, good!"
My gran'ma was in the kitchen
boiling up some food.
My daughter wrote, "What causes
this instability?"
It could be lack of fish and chips
and too much hot curry.
Dec 19 2011 14:08
Railyon wrote:
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
Last time I wore a suit and tie on a demo I got accused of being a lawyer.
I don't think you're taking into account that those hats were the hoodiesovercaps of the day and those suits were what only bums would wear. 
Time changes everything...
For clarification:
Dec 19 2011 18:56
I actually got a coat like the dude front right.
Makes me totally look like a Leninist. Which is funny because my fat mutton chops and the long hair make me look like I'm straight from the late 60s. Interesting style clashes. Now I only need a hat like that.
Ach, I digress...
Dec 20 2011 04:20
The lounge suit (what we now call a suit) originally (late 1800s I think) marked its wearer as a proletarian with the male bourgeoisie wearing frock coats.
Dec 20 2011 23:25
Identity politics aside, I believe it is clearly possible for materially privileged people to value egalitarian ideals and post-capitalist ideals more than their privilege positions
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Well, the question is then, are "the middle class" neutral to the effects of capitalist or state oppression?
I think the answer heavily depends on your conception of middle class, and from what I could gather you mean to imply the middle class are well-off. That doesn't mean I don't agree with your general points though, just some random thoughts.
Can't say I particularly like this poorness fetish either ("college educated white males with a mere smattering of genuine poor"). It doesn't say much really.