Principia Dialectica Commits Collective Suicide
Nov 6 2009 06:44
#32
Jason Cortez wrote:
dense Kurzian turdrid language for you to understand.
Kurz is not turgid; he's great fun to read. He's one of the best polemicists writing in German today. The dude isn't an academic, he's a publicist.
His writing style is not the problem with Kurz. It's his completely wrong notion of a "final crisis" of capitalism that is the problem.
Nov 6 2009 10:43
#33
Funnily enough its JC here I bought my only Postone and Kurz pamphlets off. Its just all "omgzr, value".
Great debating tactics there from BR, if you don't support a bunch of post-situ art posers protesting alongside fascists then you don't support student protests in Iran. I wonder do those students have a critique of value?
Nov 6 2009 16:26
#34
Is there any Kurz in English on the web?
Nov 6 2009 16:43
#35
I quite like this piece - http://www.mail-archive.com/marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu/msg04209.html
Nov 6 2009 17:04
#36
RedHughs wrote:
Is there any Kurz in English on the web?
http://www.exit-online.org/text1.php?tabelle=transnationales&index=1
Nov 6 2009 18:05
#37
One of the PD-bloggers can't stomach the fact that Zizek is "now" "praising" Postone on the "blogosphere", for surely "now" that Zizek has been "taken apart" by Adam Kirsch as a deadly jester, this can only be proof of what exactly? That Postone isn't the unique intellectual property of PD. That these "nows" are actually one year old news, already discussed elsewhere long ago. That Zizek only will "praise" someone, if he can add some criticism of his own (see his polemical remark on Postone made in his First as tragedy book).
Nov 6 2009 20:48
#38
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One of the PD-bloggers can't stomach the fact that Zizek is "now" "praising" Postone on the "blogosphere", for surely "now" that Zizek has been "taken apart" by Adam Kirsch as a deadly jester, this can only be proof of what exactly? That Postone isn't the unique intellectual property of PD. That these "nows" are actually one year old news, already discussed elsewhere long ago. That Zizek only will "praise" someone, if he can add some criticism of his own (see his polemical remark on Postone made in his First as tragedy book).
Maybe PD's afraid that Zizek is like a king's jester while they are more like the kind of clowns who scrape for birthday party gigs at upper middle class homes.
Nov 6 2009 20:52
#39
How the hell can the leninist Zizek be praising Postone? Or is it just a pat on the back, from overhyped academic to overhyped academic?
Nov 7 2009 11:17
#40
Vlad, I think it has to do with Žižek's critique of "cultural" (as in cultural studies) and "political" (as in Ranciere, Mouffe etc.) marxism, which are both characterized by the "degradation of the sphere of economy". Postone's interpretation of Marx, on the other hand, emphasizes the critique-of-economy aspect in Marx and that's probably why Žižek likes it.
Nov 8 2009 22:16
#41
Vlad336 wrote:
How the hell can the leninist Zizek be praising Postone? Or is it just a pat on the back, from overhyped academic to overhyped academic?
Is Postone really "overhyped"? My impression was that he was pretty much ignored in the English-speaking world, aside from a few oddballs who are interested in German language discussions and who therefore have re-imported Postone back into the English-speaking world. Time, Labor and Social Domination was published back in 1993, but for example the journal Historical Materialism only did a themed issue on it after the German translation was published around 2003/2004.
Nov 9 2009 20:18
#42
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Is Postone really "overhyped"? My impression was that he was pretty much ignored in the English-speaking world, aside from a few oddballs who are interested in German language discussions and who therefore have re-imported Postone back into the English-speaking world. Time, Labor and Social Domination was published back in 1993, but for example the journal Historical Materialism only did a themed issue on it after the German translation was published around 2003/2004.
So perhaps Postoned is "appropriately hyped" instead of "overhyped"? Really, "overhyped" is one of those unfortunate insults the spectacle likes to throw at itself and so teaches us to unthinkingly regurgitate. "Floating in the world of hype" would be a better description since it doesn't assume any "hypeworthiness" to anyone. For example, PD is almost completely unknown to 99.99...% of the world's population and laughed at by 99% of the rest. Yet PD still floats in the world of hype, relating to who's "a serious, published Marxist" and which "Marxists" get the hype and so forth. And as far as I know Postone, whether under-hyped or over-hyped, still swims only in the hype-pool world as well.
(Oou, he said "spectacle"...)
Nov 9 2009 21:53
#43
lol, spectacle
Nov 10 2009 03:28
#44
I love you w
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Nov 18 2009 23:46
#45
The point Zizek likes in Postone is the explanation of abstract labour, which Isaac Rubin already made in the 1920s, in a much more clarifying way. All the rest of Postone is garbage and Zizek knows it.
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His writing style is not the problem with Kurz. It's his completely wrong notion of a "final crisis" of capitalism that is the problem.
Joachim Bruhn has devoted an entire article analyzing Kurz's writing style, so at least some consider it a problem.
Nov 19 2009 19:43
#46
Noa Rodman wrote:
Joachim Bruhn has devoted an entire article analyzing Kurz's writing style, so at least some consider it a problem.
Oh yes, Joachim "the commodity is a really-existing logical contradiction and is therefore inconceivable" Bruhn, that model of stylistic clarity and rigorous thought!
Please, let's not subject the English-speaking world to Joachim Bruhn. Now that the Anti-German trend is thankfully finally dying out in Germany, and no longer has any novelty character for commies outside of Germany, I see no reason to breath new life into it.
Nov 21 2009 23:02
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Oh yes, Joachim "the commodity is a really-existing logical contradiction and is therefore inconceivable" Bruhn, that model of stylistic clarity and rigorous thought!
He might become PD's candidate to out-Postone Postone.
Do you happen to know if 'EXIT! No. 6 Krise und Kritik der Warengesellschaft' is anywhere available online for download, or if not, did you read Robert Kurz's article in it on Gaza, or Roswitha Scholz's article against dialectical realism where she discusses Postone, Holloway, Badiou and others?
going to student demos? that's what PD replaced the 'obsolete' proletarian struggle' with? Oy vey....