I don't buy it!
Oct 4 2008 21:47
Realising capialism is economic slavery tying people to value systems, institutions and materialistic aspirations. That demands on my time, energy and finances go directly to benefit and elitist corporatocracy. I don't even feel a part of the equation that is my life much more.
This a zeitgeist related theory to which I am open-minded.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&hl=en
Oct 4 2008 22:09
#2
Quote:
none are more hopelessly enslaved
than those who falsely believe they are free
Yet your tag says 'spontaneously free'? I hope you don't think that dropping out is a form of freedom?
Oct 4 2008 22:17
#3
stop shopping? the only person who would suffer is me, it does nothing to capitalism, what is your point?
Oct 5 2008 16:26
#4
out of curiosity why's this been binned?
'stop shopping' stuff is obviously bollocks but I don't understand why it's 'troublesome'...?
Oct 5 2008 17:03
#5
Yeah I'd second that, seems a bit over-censorious like...
Oct 5 2008 17:26
#6
no doubt binned by a capitalist hit man. i was credit crunched.
art sales are rocketing. the rich are pouring their money into solid assets
image sales. for media and advertising are slackening off.
i believe. we are reaching the apocolyptic peak of consumer frenzy.
boom and bust . sinister forces are pulling the strings.
Call me naive. But I'd decided not to have a 'financial crisis'
i don't watch TV. avoid newspapers like the plague
but while money is important they have control of us. All of us. Globally.
No doubt British interests will be taken care of. The financial pantomime
will correct the value of the pound just as it over-inflated to devalue itself
Our economic elite are greedy and self-interested. Those socio-economics pervade our lives
We don't need to be working so hard. how to be free....
Oct 5 2008 17:38
#7
Jenni wrote:
out of curiosity why's this been binned?
'stop shopping' stuff is obviously bollocks but I don't understand why it's 'troublesome'...?
Rob Ray wrote:
Yeah I'd second that, seems a bit over-censorious like...
it's not locked though. i'm not really sure where else it belongs (it's not theory...). if a half-decent discussion emerges it can always be moved back somewhere more appropriate.
Oct 5 2008 18:03
#8
Footstep what in the name of arse are you chatting on about?
Oct 5 2008 18:19
#9
yep. it should have been posted at the end of the Economic crisis string. Good reading
The Venus Project presents a utopian world view free of corrupt monetary institutions.
Oct 5 2008 18:26
#10
Footstep knows it. In on a Sunday night, dropping acid and reading Vaneigem.
...of course, it ain't conducive to class struggle but fuck it...
Oct 5 2008 19:16
#11
Whatever make you happy dear friend. The struggle has always been against the elite who had the money and had the power and indoctrinated all else to their means. If you take money out of the equation. What are you left with? Personal freedom. Cos you ain't gotta go to work anymore. Let the days roll into each other. Lose track of the systems supporting the economic agendas dictating your life. Forget Sunday nights. Have a Saturday every day. Then get normal with it.
Oct 5 2008 19:46
#12
This shows up on 'latest posts' but not in the forum itself. It does annoying show up on news as new post.
Oct 5 2008 20:10
#13
Ok, Ive stopped shopping but I dont feel any free-er. Just hungry. I do not have the time or facilities to grow anything in time for breakfast. Oh no, Im going to have to go the 24 hour garage........
Oct 5 2008 20:12
#14
Footstep wrote:
If you take money out of the equation. What are you left with? Personal freedom. Cos you ain't gotta go to work anymore.
Its good that youve thought this through and considered the bigger picture.
Oct 5 2008 20:34
#15
How do you get your food, Footstep? How do you pay your rent? How do you use the commercial internet to preach to others about the evils of consumerism?
Oct 5 2008 21:20
#16
Joseph K. wrote:
Jenni wrote:
out of curiosity why's this been binned?
'stop shopping' stuff is obviously bollocks but I don't understand why it's 'troublesome'...?Rob Ray wrote:
Yeah I'd second that, seems a bit over-censorious like...it's not locked though. i'm not really sure where else it belongs (it's not theory...). if a half-decent discussion emerges it can always be moved back somewhere more appropriate.
I binned it because it's flame-bait.
Oct 5 2008 22:42
#17
Zeitgeist was a movie that is on the conspiracy end of the stick. Typical stuff about the fed reserve if I remember correctly (was most likely stoned when I watched it), though no lizard ppl. So I am assuming that Zeitgeistmovement is yet another "truth" movement.
Oct 6 2008 12:53
#18
Hey it's Libcom without the attachment to Marx and a new age gloss to help with swallowing the truth.
TECHNOLOGY IS THE ANSWER!
Oct 7 2008 20:47
#19
The Industrial revolution was supposed to make things easier. So why are we working so hard!
To buy stuff we don't need. that's going to break. becuase it's designed so we have to update it again.
Is possible to be an anarchist and a capitalist at the same time when economics are so closely tied to the politics.
Just wonder with regard to this previous thread..!
http://libcom.org/forums/libcommunity/things-buy-month-26062008
Oct 8 2008 16:25
#20
if you're not a wind-up, you're talking shit. anarcho-asceticism can suck my balls, whilst reading Capital.
Oct 8 2008 16:48
#21
Fuck off, I thought this was a new thread I had missed, its this lunacy under a different title; is this not like the third different name this thread has had?? Footstep, you can change the title a billion times if you want, but your arguments are still complete crap.
Oct 8 2008 23:48
#22
Um, you know that "capitalist" doesn't mean "someone who buys things," right?
Oct 9 2008 00:00
#23
Footstep, I will pay you £250 to leave this site before I get banned for flaming you, pm me?
Oct 9 2008 00:39
#24
Reverend Tap wrote:
Um, you know that "capitalist" doesn't mean "someone who buys things," right?
Shh! You'll ruin the fun!
Oct 10 2008 02:27
#25
Eh, I'm more used to myspace, so my reaction to such people at this point is just a deadened repetitive explanation of where all they're wrong. Tend to forget people actually have fun with idiots sometimes.
Oct 11 2008 00:23
#26
I'm deadly serious. and disappointed not to have had a single honest response.
It's a serious question. If you buy into the system you buy into the finances and the lies
economic agendas are screwing your lives. 80% of the british population may as well be dead for the ammount of time they have to decide for themselves how to live their lives. and if you lot don't give a flying fuck about liberty and freedom then who the fuck does. point me in their direction and I'll gladly depart!
Oct 11 2008 00:28
#27
r u srs?
you realise capitalism doesn't mean 'buying stuff' yeah? if you tell us how you define 'the system' it might help matters...
Oct 11 2008 10:31
#28
I think you have had honest responses, the problem's been that your posts have been very confused. The first one seemed to imply that buying things makes you a capitalist. Your second one mentioned 'sinister forces pulling the strings' (and that you avoid TV and newspapers, which seems a little weird). Your third one made it sound like dropping out was both a serious option for most of us and a politically significant act.
If you want to discuss incoherent psuedo-radical borderline conspiracy theories try Indymedia. If you want a serious discussion then do what Joseph K suggested, start with your definition of capitalism, and we can go from there.
Oct 11 2008 11:23
#29
Footstep wrote:
I'm deadly serious. and disappointed not to have had a single honest response.
We could say the same about you. Moreso. How about responding to this:
treeofjudas wrote:
How do you get your food, Footstep? How do you pay your rent? How do you use the commercial internet to preach to others about the evils of consumerism?
Also, frequently changing the thread title is a poor substitute for actual responses.
Oct 11 2008 19:57
#30
Footstep. Please ask yourself why do we have to rely on buying stuff.
You probably want to write something that might explain to people what this is.
In case anyone is wondering it looks like shit.