What do we want? Goods!

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Sep 3 2010 21:32
What do we want? Goods!

hey all,
this is a piece of writing I'm working on. Comments welcome, discussion of the substantive points even more so.
thanks.
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The old slogan goes “Direct action gets the goods!” This is sometimes true, it depends. Obviously, not all direct action gets the goods. That is, direct action is not a guarantee of success. Just as obviously, sometimes people get the goods without direct action. Direct action is not the only guarantee of success. It’s undeniable, though, that in some settings direct action really is the best route to success. Sometimes direct action really does get the goods.

But who cares? Who wants goods anyway?

Let me put it another way. I used to argue for noncontractual workplace organizing in the following way: “If you’re strong enough to get a good contract, you don’t need to go for a contract. If you have the organization to can get what you want via a contract, you can get it without a contract. Good contracts that contain real gains are the result of good organizing. You get a good contract when you have a dedicated, well-organized group of workers with good tactics and strategy. If you have all that, what do you even need the contract for?”

The basic perspective here is “you don’t need recognition or a contract - you can get just as much or perhaps even more without it.” That’s false in at least one important sense. One of the things that goes along with contracts and recognition is an agreement that limits (or, an agreement to limit) the struggle. The National Labor Relations Act explicitly argues for unionization as a way to maintain labor peace. No strike clauses and similar things express this idea as well. That agreement is worth something.

Imagine two different groups of workers in contract negotiations with their employers. Imagine that there is basically no difference between these groups, their work, and their employers. One group of workers wants a contract that does not contain a no strike clause. The other group is not concerned with that. Other than this difference, the groups are basically the same – well organized, serious, etc. Let’s say they both succeed. All things being equal, the group that gets a contract without a no strike clause will probably come out with less other gains. The group with the no strike clause will probably have a contract with more other gains. That is to say, the no strike clause is worth money. Refusing it will come at a cost; accepting it will come with benefits.

Communists are generally motivated by morals and emotional impulses that make us care about other people, that’s part of why we’re communists. Of course we want people to have better lives. But people having better lives is only sometimes a communist issue. Communism is not simply “we want people to have better lives.” There are non- and anti-communist ways to better lives, for some people.

My point is that “getting the goods” is not the most important goal. If asked why we should we focus on direct action, the communist answer is not “because it wins more stuff, more often.” Not only is that not always true, even if it was true that would not be sufficient to recommend it.

Let me try another hypothetical example. Imagine that the global economy recovers in a big way. Prosperity is the new order of the day. A rising tide begins to life most boats. There are increasing opportunities for electoral politics and NLRB elections to genuinely improve many people’s lives. In that case, we could “get the goods” in a variety of ways other than direct action. Would this change how communists orient toward electoralism and recognition? I would say no, because the communist’s main motivation is not getting the goods. Communists as communists are not primarily about getting more under capitalism, but want a different type of society.

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Sep 3 2010 21:50

It's pretty good, though I'd argue that while the group of workers who accept a "no strike" clause might get more "goods" in the short term, in the long term they'd be left less able to defend themselves from attempts by employers to claw back the gains they'd made.

Social partnership doesn't just prevent movements from becoming revolutionary, it impedes our ability to struggle from day to day.

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Sep 4 2010 00:40

reminded me of the moral of this story.

To sum up. Millions of men lived in a huge building with no doors or windows. The feeble light of countless oil lamps competed with the unchanging darkness. As had been the custom since remotest antiquity, the upkeep of the lamps was the duty of the poor, so that the flow of oil followed the alternation of revolt and pacification. One day a general insurrection broke out, the most violent that this people had ever known. Its leaders demanded a fair allotment of the costs of lighting; a large number of revolutionaries said that what they considered a public utility should be free; a few extremists went so far as to clamour for the destruction of the building, which they claimed was unhealthy, even unfit for human habitation. As usual, the more reasonable combatants found themselves helpless before the violence of the conflict. During a particularly lively clash with the forces of order, a stray bullet pierced the outer wall, leaving a crack through which daylight streamed in. After a moment of stupor, this flood of light was greeted with cries of victory. The solution had been found: all they had to do was to make some more holes. The lamps were thrown away or put in museums, and power fell to the window makers. The partisans of radical destruction were forgotten, and even their discreet liquidation, it seems, went almost unnoticed. (Everyone was arguing about the number and position of the windows.) Then, a century or two later, their names were remembered, when the people, that eternal malcontent, had grown accustomed to plate-glass windows, and took to asking extravagant questions. "To drag out our days in a greenhouse, is that living?" they asked.

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Sep 4 2010 15:01

Nate, I think that's really good. I do think that Madashell brings up a worthwhile point that, long run, even if we're talking about just securing material goods the workers with a no-strike clause have put themselves at a disadvantage. Moreover, this is doubly so, as such clauses limit the recourse to direct action and, as a result, levels of militancy and experience will drop. It should be the goal of communists to put immediate struggles in the context of the long term, both in terms of how capital recuperates gains and the importance of a revolutionary perspective.

But, overall, yeah, I think it's worthwhile piece and one that contains ideas worthy of discussion. It's almost as if you were part of a collective writing process that never got its piece published, but still spurred lots of important discussion amongst it's participants... wink

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Sep 4 2010 15:30
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But, overall, yeah, I think it's worthwhile piece and one that contains ideas worthy of discussion. It's almost as if you were part of a collective writing process that never got its piece published, but still spurred lots of important discussion amongst it's participants... wink

Crazy talk...

The way I've been talking about it is to look at it as a dollar amount (actually this might have been Nate's idea). Eventually if you are struggling the boss is going to come back at you with an offer in exchange for a no strike clause.

Now anyone who has read their Glabberman knows workers are willing to sign no strike clauses and then strike against them. They rarely see anything duplicitous about that but it does put a revolutionary workplace based organisation in an awkward position. I don't think having assemblies on the floor of the enterprise and voluntary membership really addresses the issue here is that there is a tension between 'the goods' and struggling for revolution.

I do lean a bit more towards Madashell though in that the ability to strike and agitate on the floor is the goose that lays the golden eggs. Even the most conservative unions know this tacitly and only sign away the right to strike for four or five years. Making that argument to a group of workers who are on the cusp of getting what they have been fighting for months for is another matter.

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Sep 4 2010 15:39

This gets at the heart of why some communists believe 'revolutionary union' is an oxymoron smile

If we define union as an organization that either mediates between business and workers, or exists as a permanent organization to struggle for gains for workers under capitalism, such an organization would not be able to maintain a revolutionary policy.

This is why we support non-union and outside the union strategies of daily struggle (organizing committee's, electing worker-delegates, having assemblies, etc when needed but not as permanent organizations). This is also quite different from the characterization that communists who are anti-union are preoccupied with defeating unions that already represent workplaces. Meaning, we are not trying to decertify unions from representing workers. We just don't see them as being able to offer permanent 'goods' to workers, now or in the future.

Though some syndicalists on here define a union differently, which makes using that word prickly.

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Sep 4 2010 16:16
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They rarely see anything duplicitous about that but it does put a revolutionary workplace based organisation in an awkward position. I don't think having assemblies on the floor of the enterprise and voluntary membership really addresses the issue here is that there is a tension between 'the goods' and struggling for revolution.

it doesn't get rid of the tension, but it does prevent it crippling the organisation. if most workers want to sign a no-strike deal, or join a works council or whatever, then that's what they want. If all/many of the workers in the shop are in the union on a purely economic basis, then the 'revolutionary' union is going to vote to do not very revolutionary things. if however only the workers who share the revolutionary perspective are in the union (in its basic sense of rejecting class collaboration etc, i.e. a political-economic union), then at least there's a presence in the workplace meetings arguing against such things, and capable of boycotting them if needs be (as per the CNT with works councils). So the tension doesn't dissapear, but it doesn't force a revolutionary union to behave in a non-revolutionary manner.

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Sep 4 2010 20:10

But weren't most no-strike clauses pushed for by the union leadership rather than demanded by the membership anyway?

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Sep 5 2010 14:35

Yes, it was the trade-off for the 'maintenance of membership clause' (i.e. dues check-off)....

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Sep 7 2010 16:40

hey y'all, thanks for the comments, it's really helpful. Particularly Madashell's point about the short term vs betting on the long term. I was thinking more in terms of how to reconcile 'the goods' and struggling for revolution, as EdWob puts it. There's this essay I like by Don Hamerquist, about Lenin... it needs an edit and probly should be cut into multiple essays, but it makes a point that for Marx in the Communist Manifesto, one key role for communists in mass movements/organizations is to be representatives of the future in the present. I think that's relevant here, in that the communist view is the long shot and not the short term better odds to get the goods. The essay is at the bottom of the page here - http://sketchythoughts.blogspot.com/search/label/Leninism

NCWob - dude I thought we (as in you and me) agreed to just put that piece out. I think you should, full steam ahead and damn the torpedoes. Email it to everyone who should have it and slap it on the internet. That will provoke questions about print copies, and maybe provoke some wider responses and discussion like we hope.

JK - I agree that assemblies from the floor etc doesn't eliminate the tension, just eases it. The point I was trying to get to with this was that similar tensions can exist even in workplace organizations that don't go down the contractual route. I think you hit the nail on the head that this is about *why* people are involved, what the vision and values of the members are. If people are simply involved because they want goods, that's simply not a revolutionary perspective. I for one used to believe that just enough workers getting enough rises in their allotment of goods was sufficient for revolution - like, that that was what a revolutionary syndicalist position meant. That's now seems so obviously wrong to me that I can't remember why it sounded plausible before. Part of this over all is about trying to think through what the relationship is between day-to-day struggles under capitalism and struggles to end capitalism. I think in the past I have thought about the link in too linear a way -- as if the struggle to end capitalism is just a really, really big everyday struggle... I don't really know how to talk about this without resorting to terms that I think sound wonky, about the class in itself and the class for itself. The article I posted is partly an attempt to think this stuff out in a somewhat less technical sounding vocabulary.

Also: this is annoying but this morning I found another old draft of an article, that deals with some similar things. Fortunately it's not exactly the same, but I probly could have saved myself some time if I had remembered this earlier piece. Anyway. I'm going to post that in a second too. If folk would be willing to give some editorial feedback I'd really appreciate it, like if the original post and the thing I'm about to post should be combined into one piece or should be done just as one, or something else.

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Sep 7 2010 19:11

here's the other article draft I mentioned. like i said, some similar themes, feedback requested and gratefully welcomed. The ending bit is really a totally different thing, I think, unless someone has an idea about to make it connect. I also have a hunch that there's some conceptual resonance here with the stuff about communization and with insurrectionary anarchist perspectives, about what we want and why -- as communists we don't just want more stuff and better lives under capitalism, we want a different social order. (I'm not totally sure though because I have a hard time being motivated to read the communization kind of stuff, and I'm not sure I really understand it.)

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I think I first heard Staughton Lynd make this point but I’m not totally sure. Whoever it was, the argument goes like this. The legal system of collective bargaining exists to maintain labor peace. That is, it exists to reduce conflicts between workers and bosses, specifically conflicts that interrupt production in an unpredictable way. There are conflicts under the mainstream system of industrial relations, conflicts that lead to work stoppages, but they tend to be made more predictable – strikes happen around contract negotiations.

All of this has two costs. One, it makes workers’ organizations less powerful in relation to employers, so that workers can't win gains as much. Two, it limits experiences that can politicize the class. I and my closer comrades have used both of these as arguments in favor of noncontractual organizing. I want to lay out these arguments then suggest some of their limits.

The first cost of no strike clauses/labor peace agreements -- workers will not win as effectively under these! -- is about a sort of short-term pragmatic argument for noncontractual organizing, or if you like, a bread-and-butter argument. Here’s a version of that argument: “contracts are only as strong as the organization behind them, otherwise they’re just piece of paper. If you have the strong organization built that you would need in order to get a good contract, then you don’t need the contract at all! You can get as much or more of the stuff you want through a noncontractual approach!” I’ve made this argument before.

I think this bread-and-butter argument is true in some cases, but not in all cases. One to reason why people can get more through contracts sometimes is that labor peace has a price, so to speak. That is, bosses push for having a no strike clause and other contract language that limits and manages workplace conflict. This is worth money to bosses. It’s worth paying for labor peace. So it’s not *really* true when we say “if you can get it with a contract, you can get it without a contract.” In some cases, workers really can get more from their bosses by signing a contract that signs away some of their rights.

People really can get more sometimes in the short term by accepting a labor peace agreement. What I mean is, there is no guarantee that labor peace gets you less or that militant action gets you more, in the short term, in all cases. There are many factors that determine how much people can get from each approach. To be clear, people definitely can win short term gains pretty quickly with a small group taking action together, if the demand is low-cost enough for the employer, and/or the employer is weak enough.

The bread-and-butter argument is also true as a long term tendency: contracts that include signifiant gains are the result of strong organization, they don’t create strong organization. What’s more, there are dynamics in the industrial relations regime that aren’t good for organization over the long term. Without a lot of conscious effort and hard work, over time contracts tend to lead to problems which erode organizations, to push things in a direction away from work stoppages and direct action, to encourage control by experts, and so on. In the long term, contracts don’t help working class power, and they probably harm it. They certainly do if they contain no strike clauses.

As I said, there's a second type of cost to labor peace. In my view – and this isn’t original on my part, I just can’t remember where I got it from – it’s good for workers to experience conflict with the boss. The collective organization involved, the relationship we build, the act of standing up for ourselves, all of this has the potential to help people start to understand the world differently. It can help make less politicized people start to understand that we have to abolish the wage system. This means that when labor peace makes for less conflict, it makes for less of those moments that have the possibility to radicalize people.

The second cost of labor peeace is about a radical argument for noncontractual organizing. I’ve made this one too, I think it goes something like this: “in noncontractual organizing people run their own affairs more, and have more experiences of conflict and collective power, so they’re more likely to be radicalized.” Basically, the argument is that a higher percentage of workers will be radicalized by a campaign that uses noncontractual methods than by a contractual campaign

I still think this argument is basically right. At the same time, this argument involves a criticism of mainstream unionism. I think we should be honest and apply this criticism to noncontractual organization too. A friend told me a story recently about a group of workers who organized themselves independently against a big public facility. This was a relatively small group of workers compared to the size of the facility. It was I think less than 300 people and a facility that has employees numbering in the thousands, serving members of the public numbering in the tens of thousands, and dealing with millions of dollars. The workers had the power to shut the place down, and they used that power to bring the facility to a stop temporarily. They put forward a list of demands they wanted met. The bosses gave in on every one of them. The bosses then said “hey next time you have any problems, let us know and we’ll fix things right away so we don’t need to have any of these headaches.”

In many ways, this arrangement is a victory. The workers got what they wanted and they had an experience of collective action. Most of us would love to be in the position of these workers -- winning something! more money! making the boss concede! -- who wouldn't want those things? At the same time, what happens next time? Management said "come to us, we'll give you what you want." Will the workers do so? Should they? If we think in terms of what I called bread-and-butter arguments, then the workers might as well get whatever they can without action – after all, nothing is too good for the working class, as Bill Haywood once said -- so why not get as much as possible for as little work as possible? The workers can still use direct action to get the goods, when they think they need to. It's also probably true that if the workers did this enough times, after a while their organization would weaken and they would be less capable of taking needed actions. The capacity to take actions is like a muscle - overuse it or underuse it and it atrophies.

On the other hand, let’s think about this in terms of the second issue I talked about, the second cost of labor peace, the issue of radicalizing workers through conflict. If the workers go to management and say “We want the following demands met or else” and they get their demands met, then where is the experience of struggle that radicalizes workers? It seems to me that this points out a possibility for a form of labor peace, within noncontractual orgaizing. It’s not the same as contractualism, but there’s a common element here. That is, if the workers were to go to management to get more instead of taking action to demand more.

As I’ve said, I think both these basic arguments are right in a lot of ways, but I think they’re a bit simplistic. Particularly on the second issue, radicalizing workers, I think some of my closest comrades are too quick to write off mainstream unions and their struggles. Now, I don’t want to be misunderstood. I agree with pretty much all the criticisms. At the same time, I know people who have been radicalized by experiences in the mainstream labor movement – being a worker at a place that was organized by a union, being a worker at a place where people went on strike due to contract negotiations. One of the key people who started my IWW branch got radicalized by going out on strike as a member of a mainstream union during contract negotiations. This experience ended up helping cause my IWW branch to be formed, and our branch has pursued numerous noncontractual campaigns and actions and has had a tranformative effect on many people in our small city. It seems to me that if we care about that second point, radicalizing workers through conflict, then whatever else we say about mainstream unions and the system of industrial relations, we have to admit that some of the time workers get radicalized by conflicts in that arena too. Furthermore, there's a possibility of noncontractual organizing have similar labor peace dynamics as in contractual organizing.

I want to change gears a minute. I want to think about the IWW and revolution. I don't know much about revolutionary transition. I can think of a few models. Here’s one. A group seizes the state and imposes a new society. Maybe the group has broad support among workers and other people, maybe it doesn't. That matters a lot but not for my purposes here. Here's another model. The workers have a general strike which ends capitalism. Vague, I know. Maybe the strike is led by a union or unions, maybe it happens spontaneously or maybe it’s called, maybe it involves non-union workers. I don’t know. In any case, there are a few places the IWW could fit into these scenarios (I know we’re not down with seizing the state). One is for us to be THE organization that makes it happen. We literally grow to be One Big Union of all workers. Or, we grow to One Big Union of a whole lot of workers, enough to kick off some major social upheaval. Or, we’re one organization among many who makes a contribution. I don’t have a crystal ball, but that last one is my hunch about what will happen.

For whatever it’s worth, I’m not sure about the general strike as a model for revolution, even though I like it better than seizing state power. (I know there are other possibilities too, I’m just saying.) I’m also not convinced that the IWW as a formal organization will play a big role in the revolution. I’m not convinced any current organization will do so. I do think the IWW will make a major contribution, along the lines of the sort of transformative experiences that come out of struggle, that I tried to discuss in relation to what I called the second cost of labor peace. I think the IWW will – we already have – make a contribution by radicalizing workers, and by giving those radicalized workers skills and confidence and relationships that they will use to contribute to the movement of our class as a whole. Maybe we’ll play a bigger role than that. That’d be cool. Even if we don’t, I think this role I mentioned is enough. We’re helping make more working class revolutionaries. When there are enough working class revolutionaries at some point, then a big group of them will work out the specifics of how to get down to the historic mission of the proletariat. I don’t think completing that mission is in the cards for the relatively near future, it seems to me that our tasks for now are preparing ways to get that mission onto the agenda in a real and winnable way – but getting the project onto the agenda as a real possibility is not the same thing as actually carrying out that project once and for all.

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Sep 7 2010 17:07

As far as revolutionary change goes, I quite like the way that Ben Franks describes it in Rebel Alliances:

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The anarchist conception of revolution, in its ideal form, requires multiple successful confrontations of oppressive powers, rather than a single determining conflict. Revolution needs agents of change who are conscious of their role in wishing to create more egalitarian social relations. Struggle takes place across a variety of terrains and is carreid out by the oppressed subjects themselves, who, through their self-organisation, prefigure forms of libertarian social relations. Acts of resistance and the types of alliances that these create are sometimes temporary, but always strive to be non-hierarchical. In different locations revolutionary action will take different forms and involve distinct tactics, with no single method being regarded as either universal or sufficient. As such, revolutions are both means and ends. They are on-going adventures, that generate non-hierarchical processes.
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Revolutions, according to the anarchist ideal, are not unique acts, being indistinguishable, except in scale, from more localised anarchist tactics from which revolution materialises.
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The anarchist model regards revolution as emerging from escalating, diversely-located acts that interact and interweave. Such a paradigm is illustrated in novels like Breaking Free and The Free. The growth of intertwining libertarian actions, rather than one heroic, centrally-organised assault, leads the existing order to crisis.

In other words, rather than one big strike called by one big union, you have an upsurge in struggle, of strikes, occupations, community actions, etc. in which the class becomes aware of itself and the need for revolutionary change. Not sure if this makes complete sense as I've expressed it though.

Edit: The point I'm trying to make is that our aim should be to build class power, which has the potential to contribute towards revolutionary change. Our aim should be to argue for the means of organising that leaves our class in the strongest position possible, which means taking the long term point of view. I think most people are intelligent enough to understand that a no strike agreement leaves them in a weaker position in the long term, which is bad for their material interests as well as our interest in building class power for the sake of revolution.

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Sep 7 2010 17:42

Nate, I really like that second piece. I think cleaning it up and releasing it would be a very good idea.

I want to re-read it later and offer more in-depth feedback...