Abortion

amazingly one minute Lazy is pouring scorn on Marx's 'species being' and the next he is telling us Marx was down with homo economius.

Perhaps Lazy might wish to read some Marx, especially the early stuff, no?

Condom/pill works well.

That is interesting, thanks revol for giving me even more from you to think about. Its good these women travel to England to get abortions, maybe they could pick up a pack of condoms from the family planning place at the same time?

right, so unless you never miss a pill and your condoms function at a statistically improbable efficacy, it's your own fault. none of this changes the fact having got to this point women can feel 'forced' by economic factors.

Joseph K, there are these new pills you can get, a few years old, called 48 hour ones, info on them comes from the local teen/family planning place. If you miss 3 chances (at least) to stop getting pregnant the guy must have sperm like Rambo or it is all divinely blessed.

fuck me but you're a spiteful cow, maybe instead of going on a march for abortion rights or opposing pro life picketing of family planning centres I should have been standing outside with a placard saying "Silly bitches,it'll teach you a lesson!"

atleast those animals your so concerned about never make mistakes, eh?

you misanthropic muppet!

I would like to see that revol. Rather than the gospel quotes on pro-lifers cards you can have underneath your 'silly bitches' card you can have some words of socialist wisdom as to how they can break their bondaged chains. Bring along a few papers as well and you might even get some new recruits, good day all round I say!

Ha ha. I was rather relying on you communists to do that for me, seriously Revol, you're just winding me up. You know very well Marx proposed that narrow self interest was the driver of communism.

which is why we love scabs

Removing your genitals, for example.

So its you Flint on that vid my friend has on their phone. Did it hurt as much as it looked?

i reckon we should give chimps 3 chances to avoid vivisection. after all they're intelligent creatures and can make their own decisions, if they fuck up three times they've brought it upon themselves.

narrow self interest, no

a class interest, yes but a class interest that was the negation of all narrow special interests.

Jesus JK, you've got me defending communist principles. Don't let Alf or Devrim find out, they'll never let me live it down. I tell you what though, some people are still labouring under the idea that abortion is somehow "wrong" or should only be used as a last resort. Is there really a magical life force that should be preserved or what? It must be like a vegan thing.

They are intelligent thats true (one gold star to Joseph), it depends how they would avoid vivisection. The injuries vivisectors sustain when chimps arnt restrained are testimony to the way they avoid vivisection. The way chimps are also known to actively help to remove themselves from cages when they are being removed from vivisection labs is also another way they try to avoid it. And for your third point, the way they have been shown to actively protest against vivisection, inc. the aforementioned injuries for vivisectors, is another way they avoid vivisection. So yeah if a chimp has an option to leave a vivisection lab, which many have, in the various ways they do leave and then volunterily returns, the chimps have fucked up.

Although I dont know how this relates to condoms.

yes clearly there are no ethical issues at all regarding abortion and infact when we say we are pro choice we actually mean we are pro abortion because really there is no choice to be made.

The next time I hear of someone having a miscarriage i'll tell them to get over it.

i just wanted to compare women to chimps

Finally, its got through. Well done revol, you can top Joseph and have two gold stars.

I know you secretly support AR, so its hard to get one round.

yeah no choice at all to be made, it's just like having a wart removed, I mean that's what ever women I know whose had to make the choice has told me.

Real ones this time? They must of had it well, an abortion isnt just like removing a wart, warts are much more stubborn bastards.

Ever thought of conseulling women who've had miscarriages?

This thread is amazing, Lazy the proffessional (internet) sociopath being challenged by poweto...., the animal righist, in just who can sound the most callous.

You know I didn't believe this last bit, but dammit you know it's true:

Funny you should say that as it happens. I can remember when the “pro-choicers” chose their name because the pro-lifers accused them of being “for abortion”. Either way, I’ll leave the ethical debates to people who are properly adjusted. I’m pro-abortion and proud.

Ha ha. Well it’ll certainly be more helpful than pandering to the melodrama. Sure, getting rid of babies is bound to cause havoc on the old id, as we said earlier, but in the end we’re all just a bunch of chemicals. I mean you must have been in situations were the people around someone get more upset about a miscarriage than the person whose had it? It’s a stone’s throw from when they let labour MPs with their kids in private schools off-the-hook because we can’t expect people’s politics to override their natural inclination as parents. Or doing IVF on the nartional elf due to the enormous emotional trauma of not being able to bear children, which, as we know, is everyone’s god given right and duty. I mean, I haven’t got a problem with it, if that’s what everyone wants, but I’m not going to get worked up about it just ‘coz some little game of happy families has come to an abrupt end.

A few of my mates yeah, why?

Revol its true, you couldnt make it up right? I do not challenge LR, his domain over libcom is much more secured than mine due to his excessive amounts of time here and his dryness that dosen't quite fit me. Although I must make a confession that I'm happy to have the animal rightist tag on here though, will I make the yearly awards this time?

You know I didn't believe this last bit, but dammit you know it's true:

Fuck, i'm in that pic! (just) Cheers John, I didnt know it existed. Got any more from the series?

Are you serious? That's pretty funny. I bet I can guess which one you are.

It is quite humourous I suppose, but not as good as that one revol had up of you last year.

Well i'm not in the front line, but I possibly know some people who are.

If you guess right you'll get a vegan choc cake.

Oh Flint... why do you put me in these dilemmas?

First you come out with some of the most right-wing hateful crap I've read in a while then you offer chocolate cake. You really are a callous bastard.

As for Jack and Revol... Yeah not the best to offer abortion till birth, and obviously is going to be psychologically damaging, but the 'right' needs to be there to be used if necessary. Obviously also the power of capitalist social relations cannot be dismissed in this debate. It's shit when people are forced to do things they don't want to that have such far reaching emotional and physical implications, but in the here and now is there anything that can really be done about that?

It wasen't a sieg hail, it was a new exercise move. And nothing is wrong with my choc cake thank you very much.

This is nearly as bad as Jeremy Kyle finishing speech.

Some things can be done now, like getting your arse of the couch and walking to your nearest drop in centre/family planning place- you even get the flavoured ones now so there is no reason not to! Chop chop Dundee.