'Anarchist 14 words'!!

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Divisive Cottonwood
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Nov 25 2006 20:32
'Anarchist 14 words'!!

Jesus christ, I just came across the 'Anarchist Fourteen Words'; as opposed to the White nationalist 'Fourteen Words'

WTF?!

'The Anarchist Fourteen Words is an Anti-nationalist phrase used by Anti-fascists. The slogan was coined by Tony Blackplait, a member of Vennaskond, in his book Anarhistid (The Anarchists). It states: We must secure the existence of Earth people and a future for all children. It can be used as a greeting to affirm one's affiliation with Anarchism, and is a parody of the 'Fourteen Words' attributed to White Power.'

This was on wikipedia. Just deletated it with the following: 'Deleted 'anarchist 14 words' - this absolutely utter tosh. This insertion has absolutely nothing to do with historical or contemporary anarchism'

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Nov 25 2006 20:35

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Divisive Cottonwood
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Nov 25 2006 20:53

It may well jump back into wikipedia. Feel free to enter the debate when and where necessary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

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Nov 26 2006 20:19

All very odd. The boy that's meant to have coined it's a pop star and a member of Amnest International and the Anarchist League of Estonia, which is apparently 'individualist' but affiliated to the IFA?! Their ten points posted beneath a description of their organisation are OK, but what the fuck?:-

The Anarchist League of Estonia (Estonian: Maavalla Anarhistlik Liit; M. A. L.) is a league of individualist anarchists in Estonia and Ingria. It was founded as the Individualist Anarchist League in 1995 by the Individualist anarchist Discussion Group, which had coalesced around three individual anarchists who had returned from Latvia and began selling the pamphlets of the defunct Individualist Libertarian Group tendency, and members of Syndicalist Action. Key Anarchist League principles include a commitment to direct action as a method of abolishing capitalism and the state, and a rejection of the strategy of vanguardism which it sees as being typified by 'revolutionary' political parties. The League is affiliated with the International of Anarchist Federations.

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Nov 26 2006 20:22

Does 'individualist' have a distinct meeting in Estonia? If not what is an individualist group doing in the IFA? Maybe someone from the AF could answer this - I understand you AF guys are the current Secretariat.

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Nov 26 2006 20:29

There is no Estonian federation affiliated to the IFA.

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Nov 26 2006 20:59

Actually, I've just looked at the wikipedia page for this lot and despite being 'individualists' their aims and principles are lifted wholesale from those of the British AF!?!? How bizarre! Maybe individualist really does mean something different in Estonia.

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Nov 26 2006 21:09

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Maybe individualist really does mean something different in Estonia.

Around here it means being like Boy George or something. Potentially annoying, but generally harmless.

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Nov 26 2006 22:00
Dundee_United wrote:
All very odd. [snip]
Key Anarchist League principles include a commitment to direct action as a method of abolishing capitalism and the state, and a rejection of the strategy of vanguardism which it sees as being typified by 'revolutionary' political parties. The League is affiliated with the International of Anarchist Federations.

Have you got a website for them?
As Serge said, they're not affiliated to IFA. As far as I know IFA's history, no Estonian federation even as much as applied for membership.

However, this business reminds me of our 'good friend' in Norway, he of the brown cards and the mathmatic formula with which to establish the degree of anarchy of a society... whose name best isn't mentioned. He claimed to have several alleged federations in his one and only true IFA, so perhaps he faked another one.

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Nov 26 2006 22:37

Now that's something I didn't think of. This may well be a phantom group affiliated to that Norwegian pillock's phantom IFA.

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Nov 26 2006 22:41

The Wikipedia article refer to this webpage: http://arhiiv2.postimees.ee:8080/leht/96/07/03/tallinn.htm but if you don't read Estonian, it won't help you much.

Perhaps when they copied the aims and principles from the AF, they just copied the "afilliated to the IFA" at the same time?

I don't think it was our "good friend" from Norway, as he would definitely have copied some of his own incoherent ramblings instead of the AF principles.

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Nov 26 2006 22:52
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The best Christmas gift 2005 to the people of the world, and especially to the lucky, lucky Norwegian people, is the start of the 12th year of ANARCHY in this amazing country far North, with the post office of Father Christmas himself located in Drøbak. The ANARCHIST societal system in Norway, although with only about 54% degree of anarchy for the time being, brings hope as a lighthouse to repressed people of the world of today about a future with significant economical and political/administrative freedom, equality and solidarity, etc.

You should all move here, by the way. It's the fucking lighthouse of Anarchy after all.

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Nov 27 2006 00:23
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The best Christmas gift 2005 to the people of the world, and especially to the lucky, lucky Norwegian people.
The ANARCHIST societal system in Norway, although with only about 54% degree of anarchy for the time being

No shit! And the vanguard's making progress - when I first saw the site some years ago, it was only 51%. Oh, I just can't wait for this year's result of the jury!

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You should all move here, by the way. It's the fucking lighthouse of Anarchy after all.

Here we come running. Get out of the way or you'll be trampled down.....

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Nov 27 2006 10:05

There are IFA affiliates in Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belorussia and Russia in Europe. Nobody from Estonia. Outside Europe we're looking at Argentina as the only place with a member federation. There are groups thinking of joining in Venezuala and Trinidad and Tobago. There is also a group of Cuban exiles who are considering membership. I think that's it. Check www.iaf-ifa.org

As to the Wikipedia details, it needs editing. I deleted a load of bollocks from it and replaced it with the IFA website front page, but didn't get round to ammending the list of so-called member federations.

We really need others to link to our site. Apparently the number of links helps move you up the google ratings. That would help knock the Norwegian nutter off top spot. He may be a loony, but he is very internet savvy and is good at getting top search rankings.

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Nov 28 2006 01:52
Felix Frost wrote:
The best Christmas gift 2005 to the people of the world, and especially to the lucky, lucky Norwegian people, is the start of the 12th year of ANARCHY in this amazing country far North, with the post office of Father Christmas himself located in Drøbak.

this year, santa's giving the gift of SOCIAL REVOLUTION, and KICKING ASS!

but he's all out of social revolution cry

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Nov 28 2006 18:19
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Nov 28 2006 18:27
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Divisive Cottonwood wrote:
Just deletated it with the following: 'Deleted 'anarchist 14 words' - this absolutely utter tosh. This insertion has absolutely nothing to do with historical or contemporary anarchism'

What you should have done, rather than antisocially removing any useful information from a public resource, is just corrected the entry. What you did is not only of no use to the cause of modern anarchism, it gives it a bad name.

A public encyclopedia page is not a useful place for discussion or declaration of whether or not something is correct or incorrect or is appropriately aligned with your views of what constitutes anarchism. There are "discussion" pages in the wikipedia explictly for that purpose.

If you believe an entry to be factually wrong, correct it or discuss it in the discussion pages provided; don't use the entry itself as a spouting board. Otherwise, it will be seen as vandalism and reverted. And rightly so.

rah

err, i dunno...
maybe, just maybe you are right in regards to wikipedia and the way it works. But in general putting distance between yoursel and nutters only serves the casue on modern anarchism!

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Nov 28 2006 18:32

Nevermind; I got completely the wrong end of the stick. Sorry, Divisive.

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Nov 28 2006 18:37

fair play smile

and welcome to the boards smile

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Nov 28 2006 19:00

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I think you're all being rotten. Those 14 words just about sum up anarchism to me.

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Nov 28 2006 19:10

tell me if i'm wrong here LR, but i'm starting to think that not all of ur comments are not entirely worthwhile wink

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Nov 28 2006 19:22

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More worthwhile than your rank attempts to protect anarchism's credibility. Let the liberals and petit-bourgeois have it. As an ideology, its just too high maintenance. It’s like having a live-in boyfriend that keeps on wanting to take to you counselling, when you’d rather they just fucked off.

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Nov 28 2006 19:31
Lazy Riser wrote:
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More worthwhile than your rank attempts to protect anarchism's credibility. Let the liberals and petit-bourgeois have it. As an ideology, its just too high maintenance. It’s like having a live-in boyfriend that keeps on wanting to take to you counselling, when you’d rather they just fucked off.

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LR

Mmm, possibly. But then you'd have far more of a problem with other posters than with me.

Anyway, i think ur right; there is little to be gained 'defending anarchism' per se. plenty to be gained looking at the lessons of the past and planning the future tongue