anarchist fascist website

If I have to spoon feed you - obviously the island is less threatening. Buying anarchism into reality is really one of the more preposterous strategies I've heard. Still, it partly worked for the Zionist project so maybe you should look into that experience.

And do you seriously believe that an island, wherever it might be, will not be under the territory and law of some state?

You're correct about the CNT, as I said, mistakes were made. But in many cases the rank-and-file strongly resisted and had they access to weaponry we might be living in a whole 'nother world

Clearly you're right, I'm happy to say. My points still stand, tho. If you're successful, they will still come after your "anarchist" island community. And, at least with a working class revolution (especially one that reaches the ranks of military), workers can use their economic power to resist government efforts to crush them. Do you plan on buying a mercenary army to defend your island?

Hahahahahaha!!!! Irony.

Wow, good thing that JJ suicide socialism thing had nothing to do with anarchism.
I don't know why those body builders need an island, or what they're planning to do with it.
Regardless, that doesn't really address the issue of an anarchist island run by anarchists for anarchists, where all that shit wouldn't have to happen.

Interesting analogy. But to carry it a bit further, Zionism was in large part a "socialist" project. See how well that turned out. Of course, "Freeman" is a racist, so perhaps the analogy is quite apt.

We wouldn't HAVE to defend our island beyond voluntarily assembled militias! You can say that the State would come after us just for existing, but I don't think they would, period. Especially if we were large enough. This is one of those arguments like every election gets -

I'd never vote for him, he's fringe and unelectable!
But he won't be if we ALL vote for him!

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I'd never fall for that crazy buying an island thing, we'd all turn into suicidal cannibals!
But not if we ALL participate!

BulimicMind, take a look at the anarchy.net front page. See that bit where it says:

? Click on the link to Corrupt, read some of the articles.

If you're a threat, esp in terms of social revolution, they're coming after you. Have you studied the history of the US state? We don't allow liberal left governments to exist in South America, you don't think they would come after an anarchist society? Also, You think you can defend yourself against the military might of advanced industrial states? They're called Nukes.

Anarchists using voting analogies, interesting....

I have. The only bad parts are the intellectual snobbery and anti-individualfreedom slants.
But both the fringe left and fringe right have more in common w/ one another than either has with mainstream center.
Oh, and you're right. The soviet union and the US both blew themselves up. The nukes defeat ANY argument.

Jesus fucking Christ. No wonder you like this anarchy dot net...

What's that supposed to imply? (seriously)

The fringe right are fascists, racists, religious fundamentalists, and, ultimately, all authoritarians. The fringe left are anti-capitalists opposed to all those things, and in the case of anarchists, we reject the hierarchy those very ideas are based upon.

What I meant is that Freeman is taking the language of the "fringe left" to recruit for the "fringe right." If you feel the two have goals in common, I can see why you would embrace such contradiction.

I gotta study, you go read some Marx and some Berkman, I'm done with this conversation for the day...

Okay, maybe so. Maybe what I meant was, if we all go over there and talk about it, some sort of compromise could be reached. But I suppose even I can see that's just inexperience talking...
(I still think the island strategy could work, regardless of who's employing it)

Erm...

It's a fascist website, if you can't see why shit like the above makes it a problem for anarchists to cooperate with them, you're a fucking idiot.

bulimic - the issue is not about your island. The issue is you have been suckered into a nazi fucking website, not even a particularly grey area one, like national anarchist or some shit, a C18 nazi website.

Deal with that before setting sail for Lost.

Tacks is right. Never mind the island project. The fact that these guys running the website are seriously fascist is more disconcerting than anything else. Stick around on this site and read some of the excellent library articles. While I do disagree with you I do believe that you mean well so I sincerely hope you find other compatriots.

This is from the corrupt website, the article Katrina Victims Become Parasitical Predators. Note the language and remember that the far far majority of the victims were African-Americans.

That is as racist as you can get. Advocacy of separation and violent expulsion. Black people are parasites, lazy, violent, criminal and do not contribute to society. A lot of the other articles are just simple rehashing of typical anti-semitic propaganda, illuminati paranoia etc. Bulimic, do you really want to associated with this stuff?

Fuck, altho I should be studying... Diddo on Khawaga. None of this is meant as an attack on you Bulimic, we'd love to have you as a comrade, but this anarchy dot net is a fascist plot to use the language of anarchism to recruit disenchanted young minds. Warn the other anarchy.netters, bring them over to Libcom, and we'll gladly discuss strategies to bring about the revolution,

BulimicMind, the fact of the matter is, "anarchy.net" is a front for the same traditionalist, racist, anti-human, pro-eugenics clique that operates "nazi.org" and "pan-nationalism.org". They are not going to come around to anarchist politics because someone they suckered in argued them into their position. Instead they're making up anarchist groups, including a "platformist" one(!), to give the illusion that there is a movement behind the site. Why do you think all those groups are secret and communication between them has to go through the site's "staff"? It's completely laughable. The whole site reads as a double-bluff between people with developing anarchist ideals who are trying to appear experienced and knowledgeable about anarchism, and people with ideals completely antithetical to anarchism who are pretending to be anarchists. Nothing good is going to come out of it. Cut your losses now, spread the word, and get involved in the real world.

The disenchanted deserve what they get. It's the only way they'll learn.

For the sake of my sanity, can we refrain from responding to Carousel? Please.

Shut up. That was a serious point. You want to have a discussion about "me"? Do it elsewhere.

OMFG.

Like I say ladies and gents, it’s evil and all, but if it isn’t fooling us, it isn’t fooling anybody.

OKAY OKAY OKAY, cut me a break.
I just hold some doubt that corrupt and anarchy.net are exactly in league regardless of the links. Further judgment is still pending.

Nah. You just haven't the same huge problem with "fascism" as some people. Even the possibility is enough to put people off. Apart from the disenchanted and the weak. To whom they are more than welcome. The opposite cadre to that they intended, but then that’s par for the course for these sorts of ventures.

OK here's some light reading while you take a break:

http://libcom.org/library/proposed-communist-settlement-peter-kropotkin

Well, the majority of regulars on Anarchy.net aren't fascists, and as long as that's the case, I'll be there doing my damnedest to make sure it stays that way.

How can there be "regulars"? The new version of it has only really been up for like two months!

Dude. http://www.cor rupt.org/radio/07.10.04 - it's a podcast conversation between "Alex Birch" of corrupt.org and "Gustav Finnborg", "editor" of ana rchy.net.

Fast forward to about 50 minutes for the anarchy.net guy to come in.

http://www.ana rchy.net/anarchy/ - the mission statement of "United Anarchists", who are running the site.

This whole complaint about the "conformity" of "humanism", coming from where it does, is just a Trojan horse to for the elitist, nationalist, pro-eugenics, segregationalist politics they want to push.

Hey why do you think "Freeman" is urging people to post their email addresses in these threads? If the posters are being distributed from a central point, or if recruitment to this pretend group is wouldn't it make more sense for him to just say "email me at xxx@yyy.zzz for more info" rather than trying to get people to publicly offer their own addresses? Does that set off any red flags for you?
http://bbs.anarchy. net/viewtopic.php?t=21&start=0
http://bbs.anarchy. net/viewtopic.php?t=3&start=0

And then on to the site's "wiki" page, a combination of plagiarisms, inaccuracies, oversimplifications and outright lies.

http://wiki.ana rchy.net/index.php?title=Anarchist_Morality

http://wiki.ana rchy.net/index.php?title=Free-marketism

http://wiki.ana rchy.net/index.php?title=National_anarchism

http://wiki.ana rchy.net/index.php?title=Otto_Strasser%27s_three-point_programme

http://wiki.ana rchy.net/index.php?title=Anarcho-fascism

Bear in mind that this Anarcho-fascism entry was:
* Made by the Admin last July before the site was even up.
* The first entry page, created immediately after the wiki was created.

The first five pages the site's administrator created overall were: the Main page, the introductory page, Anarcho-fascism, Antihumanism, and Metapolitics. The sixth was Anarchism. Then they rested for several months. I don't know what simpler proof there is that the site was specifically established to push fascism on people interested in anarchism. You can see this history here:
http://wiki.ana rchy.net/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Admin

So I reposted MJ's warning / write up to the Anarchy dot net Myspace group,

http://groups.myspace dot com/Anarchydotnet
(small group, I was the 6th member)

I went to check it just now. My post is deleted, my profile was deleted from the group.

And this was the post that took my posts place: (Yeah, my post had been the only post in the group)