"Anarcho"-fascism
May 12 2008 14:53
#122
Well, BulimicMind, if 3monkeyz.net want to use their 'anarchist' website to give a platform for fascists, I suggest they leave it right there. If anyone checks out the review I'll think they'll find it reads in favour of Southgate's ideas, it has been up there since 20th April without any critical comments from 3monkeyz admins.
May 12 2008 15:11
#123
Angelus Novus wrote:
dh wrote:
This is business as usual for nationalist and fascist types--in the 1920's and '30's they used the word "socialist" to hide their reactionary shit behind, when state socialism was fashionable. Now they are using the interest in anarchism, or trying to, to trick people into listening to their nonsense. Fucking sneaky bastards.This kind of thinking assumes that fascists merely take on the ideological trappings of the left out of sheer deviousness.
In truth, when fascists appropriate nominally "left" symbols or ideas, it is because elements of those ideas are compatible with fascist worldviews. Thus, Che Guevara's nationalism, statist socialism, Palestinian anti-semitism, and anarchist conceptions of "natural" society vs. a superimposed, "unnatural" state are all eminently compatible with a far-right worldview.
One of the dumbest mistakes that Anti-fascists can make is to assume that right-wing appropriation of left symbols and ideas is merely cynical. In my experience, Nazis who wear Che t-shirts and Palestinian scarves are dead serious.
It is not bad faith to point out that thinkers like Proudhon and Sorel are points of reference for both anarchists and fascists. This does not mean that anarchism is synonymous with fascism, or that bourgeois theories of "totalitarianism" are to be given any credence, but it does mean that the left needs to be self-critical about which of its ideas are merely affirmative of existing social relations.
I'd certainly agree about self-criticism, however, if you look at the way that these guys throw around catchphrases, jargon, and political labels (for the most part stripped of any meaning whatsoever), you've got to think that lots of this is cynical and deliberate.
May 12 2008 19:33
#124
Anarchism and Fascism are clearly compatible in many areas:
*)Mussolini was a socialist in his youth, and the Fascist party first ran with a vaguely leftist policy platform.
*)Both of them absolutely fucking hate the [rest of the] left, especially the trots.
*)Um...
*)Ummmmmmmmmmm...
etc.
May 13 2008 03:54
#125
BulimicMind wrote:
Why would they remove a part of a public forum someone else posted?
Well, since you seem to be the person who posted the link to anarchy . net on their forum, perhaps you ought to make a follow up post about it there.
And the Troy Southgate review - which apparently was written by a fellow "third position" fascist - was posted by madhatter himself, the guy who runs the whole site.
May 13 2008 07:19
#126
Quote:
Capitalism cannot, will not, ever create a one world government unless it manages to overcome its imperialist contradictions. There is no evidence whatsoever that capitalism is capable of doing this and, if anything, these tensions are almost certain to increase even further in the coming period.
I disagree with this bit, because I CAN see capitalism, in a rally around the flag way, papering over differences in an attempt to solidify government control over the world and keeping the rabble at bay. I wouldn't say it would be an end of imperialism, just the end of intra-bourgeoisie fighting using national army's as bludgeons, and rather turning the full force of governments (or in this case, THE government) against the whole of the working class.
May 13 2008 09:32
#127
Yeah... Imperialism has NOTHING to do with forming a one-world government...
This kind of thinking assumes that fascists merely take on the ideological trappings of the left out of sheer deviousness.
In truth, when fascists appropriate nominally "left" symbols or ideas, it is because elements of those ideas are compatible with fascist worldviews. Thus, Che Guevara's nationalism, statist socialism, Palestinian anti-semitism, and anarchist conceptions of "natural" society vs. a superimposed, "unnatural" state are all eminently compatible with a far-right worldview.
One of the dumbest mistakes that Anti-fascists can make is to assume that right-wing appropriation of left symbols and ideas is merely cynical. In my experience, Nazis who wear Che t-shirts and Palestinian scarves are dead serious.
It is not bad faith to point out that thinkers like Proudhon and Sorel are points of reference for both anarchists and fascists. This does not mean that anarchism is synonymous with fascism, or that bourgeois theories of "totalitarianism" are to be given any credence, but it does mean that the left needs to be self-critical about which of its ideas are merely affirmative of existing social relations.