Anarchy is NOT "absolute freedom"

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Jul 29 2005 08:50
Anarchy is NOT "absolute freedom"

I think a lot of people think that in Anarchism, people would be free to break any laws they wish. Here's the thing though, if people are free to break laws, anyone who wishes to enforce the law is also free to do so.

Enforcement could be done in a way which would offend the people or in a way which would please the people. If that someone wants to avoid being punished or killed by someone else who wishes to enforce the law, that person would obviously want to enforce the law in a way which would please the people.

I'm sure the people would want to see a trial. People would carefully watch every thing the police do, so that things don't get out of hand.

The fact of the matter is, there is always going to be rules. You will never be "free" to break the laws. The infrastructure will still be there. It is just the management style which is different.

Anarchism is not about being "free" to break laws. It is about a different style of management which will eliminate poverty, almost eliminate crime, and prevent global nuclear war. It is about a new society of cooperation and caring for each other and the world.

Tony

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Jul 29 2005 09:22

cheers for that.

But who would clean the sewers confused

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Jul 29 2005 10:13

Hi

Me and my cyborg army, obviously.

To deal with the question slightly more seriously, without the threat of poverty to provide an incentive to take up unpleasant jobs, I propose that neighbourhood councils set terms which make the job attractive enough for someone to want to do it. One idea which comes to mind is providing social hygienists with long holidays (or early retirement), say a day’s work every 6 months in exchange for their “universal citizens income”. They can spend the rest of the time practising their blues harmonica or whatever.

Another proposal I’d suggest would be to give those kinds of jobs to top scientists, engineers and students, who spend half their time doing really unpleasant work. The rest of their time they get access to state of the art facilities to build robots and stuff to automate the work away.

Forward comrades, a world of lush adventure and authentic community is growing in the shadows of the present order!

Love

Chris

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Jul 29 2005 10:14
pingtiao wrote:
cheers for that.

But who would clean the sewers confused

the ethnics?

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Jul 29 2005 10:17

Hi

The cows.

Love

Chris

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Jul 29 2005 10:43

You really hate the cows, don't you Chris?

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Jul 29 2005 10:44

Hi ant, welcome. Ignore the piss takers, they're just replaying old debates for fun.

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Jul 29 2005 11:45

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pingtiao wrote:
You really hate the cows, don't you Chris?

Maybe I do, I'll have to see if I can get in touch with my inner cow.

On the other hand, seeing as I'm offering 'em a citizens income, 2 days of work every year and free blues harmonica training, I've got more time for cows than your average super evolved primate on the street.

Moo

Chris

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Jul 29 2005 11:51

Hi

Is that "primmo" or "primmie"?

Put it away oisleep.

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Chris

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Jul 29 2005 12:27
Jack wrote:
You can help with the library and be polite to newcomers all you like, but we're still never going to make a primmo an admin.

Ha -- but what if I make an admin a primmo! Mr. T

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Jul 29 2005 12:34
Jack wrote:
Purges are ace!

Yeah -- but what if the secret faction gains control of the machinery of administration first? Prepare to eat your words, and then eat raw food twisted

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Jul 29 2005 12:43

Jack reigns supreme in the post-civilisation world.

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Jul 29 2005 12:43
Jack wrote:
Serious question, do you think any primmos ACTUALLY believe that balls about how cooking 'ruins food'?

Mine does. embarrassed

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Jul 29 2005 12:46

To answer seriously -- mainstream nutritionists agree that cooking kills vitamins, etc. It's a matter of degree, raw fooders simply take this to a fundamentalist extreme and conclude that ALL cooking must be bad...

A friand of mine says that at some Rumanian eco-camp the christian raw fooder cooking team took this to its logical conclusion by serving up raw kidney beans. Those foolish enough to trust the nutters learnt their lesson through days of squatting and squeaking on the toilet roll eyes

You can eat raw foods and be healthy -- but you have to eat a fuck lot of fresh fruit, nuts, seeds, etc and I'm not sure that there are ecologically sustainable ways of making this available all year round. For example, we'd clearly need to cook potatoes, etc for winter food.

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Jul 29 2005 13:22

Only meat should be eaten raw. Vegetables need to be cooked thoroughly before they're fit for human consumption.

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Jul 29 2005 13:52

<Ignoring the the majority of the shite posts on this thread>

Sure, anarchy doesn't mean the ability to do whatever you want, which ofcourse would only lead to equal tyranny and oppression. Confusingly, that isn't "Absolute Freedom" is it? Whereas true anarchy is, theoretically, the greatest fulfillment of personal freedom in relation to other people - you could call it absolute freedom, but personally I dont like the term.

Is it just me or are you still bringing police and Law into it? If so, I think these are unnecessary and harmful institutions which fundamentally do not exist to protect people but private property and the interests of a few. They are not in any way, shape or form an example of order, but of institutionalised chaos. Anarchists rightly reject them for real, people-based "justice" (not meaning vengeance, punishment-beatings).

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Jul 29 2005 13:53
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meat should be eaten raw.

You eat meat raw? How vulgar.

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Jul 29 2005 13:59

The steak i was forced to eat whilst under house arrest in Italy was so good, rare as fuck.

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Jul 29 2005 14:01

'lo again revol, d'you think it's still in your colon?

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Jul 29 2005 14:12

i fucking hope so! It was so good i'd be happy to carry it around with me forever.