Anti-psychiatry

yeah, i would agree with a mental health service that was run on voluntary grounds, but without medication, people have somewhere to go when they feel vulnerable and get a coffee and a chat, but the present system just abuses people and very rarely cures mental illness. Sympathy is what I would be looking for, and you don't get any of that in the NHS, or at least not in NHS Glasgow. CPN's are not bad, I just had a good chat with mine today, but they would be more effective if they didn't have the power of compulsion behind them, and were just volunteering their services as concerned individuals rather than representatives of a repressive system.
But then it wouldn't be a mental health system would it? It would be a... Mutual health system?
Hmm,
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nope you guys still havn't got it nobody has came back with feedback about www.cchr.org or www.theroadback.org

ok mate if you want to help people stop studying psychiatry, can you answer me this did you study medicine before?
1/What illness?
2/Heroin, dope, ectasy any drug would do what your talking about.
Don't you see psychiatry doesn't cure people thier not intrested in cures theres no money in it.

I am going to make this suggestion and i'm going to get attacked again, but i'd say the majority of the people in this "debate" are on psyche drugs or know and havn't done anything about a friend or a loved one on them. The reason why they freak out and tare me to shreds is because they must be right and they must justify being on the drugs or allowing people to take these drugs, cos if they don't they'd be wrong and WHO wants to be that.

LEM your a coward any chance of a solid statement from you letting me know where you stand. ps are you still on your meds?

theres a good book called rule by secrecy if anyone wants to know about governments

much love

reg

what is double post?

right lem it's reg

here's one for you

Whats true, is true for you

Psychiatrists like to say theres no such thing as truth or right or wrong. The psyches basically got stuck into education and religion and thier eventual goal is to eradicate right and wrongs and people's moral codes. They want to strip people of thier identity, cultural and personal and destroy the family unit. If they weren't so evil you'd have to admire them because they've done such a good job and nobody has even noticed the real cause. It's so outrageous that no doubt as usual i'm going to get cut to shreds for posting this comment. You still havn't gave me your view on the CCHR website or theroadback.

www.cchr.org www.theroadback.org

So you'll be wanting some critpsy and radpsy yes?

You might find these interesting:
http://www.dennisfox.net
http://blog.dennisfox.net/index.php/archives/category/critical-psychology/
Dennis Fox is pretty hot re. crit psy - his blog has an open comments systems, so I'm certain it'd be fine to ask him questions and his email is on his main website.

You might also find this page useful: http://www.dennisfox.net/papers/organizing-radpsynet.html

P.S. He is an anarchist

Oh god, Is this mad bollocks still going?

it is- i types out a response to Reg but then deleted it as it doesn't look like there is any point.

My understanding of radical politics is just too far removed from other people's it seems for there to be common ground.

Aye, the mad are still here, nibbling away at the pharmacological compassionate tyranny that is libcom.org
Ah cantdo, if only you would open your mind to a little madness, why not masturbate in public, or throw yourself off a low bridge, or develop an obsession with a co-worker, or punch one of your parents, I leave it up to you which one. Or develop a passion for hallucinogens that you can't regulate and that slowly, insidiously creeps in to your psyche and whispers, yes cantdo, you are small and insignificant, but if you start stalking dermot o' leary, I promise you, your chin will grow to enormous size and women from miles around will come to worship at the altar of your puny biceps. Love, love cantdo, let love envelop your soul, let your daily thoughts be a reminder of dermot's greatness, let yourself rise on a cloud of empathy and regret, and then see where you end up. It won't be pretty, but you will know true greatness, I promise you, yes cantdo, believe, believe, there is nothing holding you back except your homophobia, you will be a god among men.

Hahahahahhahahahhaahahaha

Hi

Well, judging by some of the threads knocking about at the moment, you’d be forgiven for believing that the anarchist movement is just a support network for people with “personality issues”. Reminds me of what Bone has to say about Defence Campaigns.

Love

LR

yes they have pingtao made some pretty decent posts. The reason some people get compulsory treatment is because they are a danger to themselves, MH workers/carers and/or others, sure it can be abused and misused but compulsory treatment isn't morally wrong on pprinciple.

I couldn't care less if MH workers get attacked now and again, they are, in my experience, scum. Does the anarchism on libcom have anything to do with liberty and personal freedom? Or even dignity of the individual? No. A lot of posters on here spend their time posturing and taking up reactionary positions because these positions seem to be socially acceptable, and their justification boils down to might is right. They also pretend that they're pro-working-class, and then go on to suggest that workers can do reactionary jobs without any guilt feelings because a job's a job. A position which is condescending in the extreme. From where I'm standing, the main problem faced by radicals in Scotland is that people are so socially constrained by all of these reactionary institutions, immigration, mental health, prisons, schools, universities, that there is no room in the mainstream for rational debate of the alternatives, and mainly because these institutions and mainstream journalism itself are regarded as therapeutic and part of civilised society, which covers up the fact that they are in actual fact brutal forms of class rule. The social inability to articulate your grievances against society and the inability to gain control over your own life partly due to the self-regulation of the media, lead to the high levels of alcoholism and alcohol-related deaths in Scotland, and the condescension from the Labour elite leads to an idea among the working class that any form of base stupidity, reaction and betrayal is permitted because we are all working class, even the bosses, and therefore we are right in whatever we do, because we're working class. This leads radicals to take up positions in reactionary institutions, further masking their oppressive nature and obscuring the fact that the working class in Scotland is the most brutalised, demoralised, incestuous and stupid in western Europe. With the worst levels of child poverty, adult poverty, lowest life expectancy, highest murder rate and so on in the U.K. Has this perhaps got somegthing to do with the fact that the public sector and government bureaucracy takes up most of the employment sector in Scotland?

Scotland is a compassionate Stalinist state, where people are repressed through an idea that the institutions that are killing them are actually helping them, and that the government is on our side. Therefore, no-one makes a fuss about New Labour's immigration fascism and racism, because we're all Labour voters at heart, people still believe that Labour are the good guys, because this is socially acceptable among the elite, and therefore socially acceptable amongst everyone else. You could say that Scotland carries Chomsky's self-regulation of the media to an extreme, there are so few dissenting voices it's incredible.

Psychiatry is a form of oppression, or have people on this board gone so far that they can't see any alternatives to present day society and therefore wish to excuse the worst forms of this society by blinding themselves to their anti-social extremes?

Hi

Oppression isn’t necessarily a problem. Anyway, no doubt psychiatry would be more useful if it was a less bourgeois social institution, but it’s not really any more oppressive than, oh I don’t know, food retail.

Love

LR

These are the health coverage statistics as of 04 from the census
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/005647.html

Overview
The percentage of the nation’s population without health insurance coverage remained unchanged, at 15.7 percent in 2004.

The percentage of people covered by employment-based health insurance declined from 60.4 percent in 2003 to 59.8 percent in 2004.

The percentage of people covered by government health insurance programs rose in 2004, from 26.6 percent to 27.2 percent, driven by increases in the percentage of people with Medicaid coverage, from 12.4 percent in 2003 to 12.9 percent in 2004.

The proportion and number of uninsured children did not change in 2004, remaining at 11.2 percent or 8.3 million.

Odd socialism, even leaving aside the co-pays on employment based coverage.

FFS the new software keeps messing with my formating.

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