Anti-voting campaigns - waste of time?
Just been thinking about this, do people feel that their is any point to anarchists running anti-voting campaigns, or is it just a waste of time, resources, and propaganda space.
I can't really see that it's an aspect of our politics that we should really be pushing, I think it's more of a personal choice than a political position.
All that "Don't vote - it only encourages them" looks a bit tired nowadays. And also contains the (slightly odd
) idea that if we didn't vote, it would make politicians sad, and they would give up in despair.
This said, I think that anarchists need to have a "line" on voting, since to a lot of people, politics = party politics = voting. Like I said on the "libcom manifesto" thread a while back, what needs to be done is to contrast a politics of direct action with a politics of "sit back & hope someone else does it for me."
We also need a historical perspective, looking at the way that (for instance) women's liberation struggles became co-opted by a fight for the vote. And that great diversion, the formation of the Labour Party.
Yeah, I think it's important to have a well thought out position and analysis of voting, but I don't think there is much point in putting this into propaganda such as new sheets, I can see a place for it in larger more theoretical publications, but I think it makes us look a bit stupid encouraging people not to vote. I think the don't vote argument only really works if you can propose some sort of meaningful action as an alternative.
I think the don't vote argument only really works if you can propose some sort of meaningful action as an alternative.
Well if you can't propose some sort of meaningful action as an alternative, we're fucked.
Thing is, anarchism is so fucking simple (despite my occasional rhetorical flourishes
). Something along the lines of: "Got a problem? Get together with other people who have the same problem, decide the best way of dealing with it, and have a go."
Well, obviously, there's a little more to it than that, but you know what I mean.
In Preston we had a don't vote campaign when there was the by-election a few years back and the Socialist Alliance stood. It was more to do with Lancashire SF just being formed and getting our name about. We did claim victory because the turn out was less than 30% though.
Other than that we have some 'don't vote all politicians are scum' posters that we use at our Mayday events if they coincide with elections like last year.
I don't think it's worth putting a great deal of time and effort into though. More important is the everyday work and encouraging alternative action in the workplace/community.
'don't vote all politicians are scum'
Subtle.
Hi
I think the anti-Tory tactical vote in 1997 was “a good thing”. I don’t see how the working class profits from a “Don’t vote” campaign, neither do I think “No illusions” style Labour voting carries a valid political point. Respect are just a reactionary political party who serve no useful purpose at all.
The fact that a concerted tactical effort in say, Dorset, could have put Letwin out of parliament, were it not for Labour voters refusing to vote LibDem concerns me greatly.
Are all political parties as bad as each other from a working class perspective? I shuddered at the thought of allowing a Tory into office in my constituency, and held my nose and voted to minimize the risk, as did a lot of pragmatic people.
I think it really depends on what likely outcome plays to the best interests of the working class, no matter how marginal, and doing what’s right based on individual circumstances to carry out that agenda. It is defending the Left of Capital I suppose, but I love a bit of it.
Also, I like election night TV, and if you don’t vote it’s like watching a horse race without placing a bet.
Love
LR
The 1992 Anti-Election Alliance was comparatively big, especially for an Anarchist campaign, and ended with a 1500 strong illegal march in central London.
I was very active in the 1997 AEA, which I think in Class War we saw as a bit of a "test case" as to whether anarchists could really work together, on what is a pretty basic thing for people to agree on.
The campaign was rather limp in the final analysis, although politically it probably looked quite sophisticated when set against most of the left's "Things can only get better" and "Vote labour with no illusions" guff.
I doubt however whether it persuaded more than a handful of people not to vote who would otherwise have done so.
Still, who needs an anti-election campaign when you have MPs like George galloway doing our work for us!!!!
Just been thinking about this, do people feel that their is any point to anarchists running anti-voting campaigns, or is it just a waste of time, resources, and propaganda space.I can't really see that it's an aspect of our politics that we should really be pushing, I think it's more of a personal choice than a political position.
agree with this post. Personally I have not ever bothered to take prt to anti-voting campaigns because our alternatives are about comparably shite than voting in most cases.
if things pick up, then it makes more sense.
...and by the way, i usually vote on elections
obviously come from a different country with different political tradition, but nevertheless...
The 1992 Anti-Election Alliance was comparatively big, especially for an Anarchist campaign, and ended with a 1500 strong illegal march in central London.
Is there anything about this online?
I’m pretty sceptical about 'Don't Vote' campaigns. But I do see a point in having a 'Don't be fooled this election won't change anything campaigns'.
Every election time, everyone, including radicals, thinks that after the election something is going to change and then, surprise, surprise, it doesn't. In terms of getting anarchist ideas out there election times a brilliant because people are thinking about the way society operates much more and its a time when people will listen to you when you say yeah things need to change but don't expect a politician to be able to change them for you. We need to do it ourselves.
As for saying 'oh but most people don't vote any way so we don't need to advocate not voting'...Hmmm. I think this isn't really a great argument. It kind of like saying, oh, people agree with us a little bit about one small issue so we don't need to persuade them about anything else. I think seeing as so many people agree with us a little bit about this one small issue we should us that inroad to make an argument. "Yeah of course nothing ever changes after election. Yeah politics is boring. Yeah politicians are all the same. But, do you think your low wages, your long hours, your congested streets, your boring work/school/college, your shitty health/social insurance, and your mortgage/rent matter. Yeah of course they matter. These issues matter to you and me and all the other members of our class. And it's only when we work together to make our lot better that it will get better. Because our problems sure as fuck don't matter to the government, regardless of whoever is in it. All that matters to them is getting elected next time round."
We can use elections as a chance to talk to people about self-organisation vs. party politics/parliamentarianism/government etc. When people are thinking about politics/parliamentarianism/government etc. and thinking at least on some level that its shit. Then it’s a perfect time to say yeah, it is shit. What we need to do is organise ourselves.
Alternatively, we could accept we've already won this argument and give out about 'activists'.
I totally agree that election times are a good time for a heightened level of political activity. What I'm arguing is that anti-voting campaigns are not an effective form of political activity. I think proposing alternatives and saying "this is more effective than voting" is good, but I don't think setting out purely to try and stop people from voting is even slightly productive.
I don't think setting out purely to try and stop people from voting is even slightly productive.:)
Has any anarchist ever done this?
(And if they did, wouldn't it have been a touch oppressive?
)
The way I see it, if elections don't change anything, whether or not someone votes in them shouldn't matter either way.
jimmer wrote:
I don't think setting out purely to try and stop people from voting is even slightly productive.:)
Has any anarchist ever done this?
(And if they did, wouldn't it have been a touch oppressive?
)
To be honest, some of the "don't vote" stuff I've seen, if you only glanced at it and didn't read the rest of it, would look a bit like that.
i had a good point to make, but then george went and stole it. bastard.
i think the whole point about 'don't vote' campaigns is to make people aware of the shittiness of the electoral system and not with the expectation that a low voter turnout will suddenly delegitmate the government and lead to social revolution...
the obvious argument that needs to be made at election times is that politicians stop caring about working class problems as soon as they get elected. the low voter turnout reflects the widespread understanding that the political system is bankrupt, the most effective thing to do is surely to suggest the possibility of social change that the aftermath of all elections confirm does not lie in the government.
does that last bit make sense? i was bravely attempting to be poetic...
i think the whole point about 'don't vote' campaigns is to make people aware of the shittiness of the electoral system and not with the expectation that a low voter turnout will suddenly delegitmate the government and lead to social revolution...
Most people are aware of how shit the electoral system is, however this often generalises into any political activity - voting=useless, voting=political activity, political activity=useless.
the obvious argument that needs to be made at election times is that politicians stop caring about working class problems as soon as they get elected.
With a big "don't vote" campaign, you're reinforcing the 4-5 year cycle - if this is the only time people see anarchist propaganda (which if it's a poster/leaflet campaign around polling booths or whatever might well be), it'll simply be an amusing diversion from the rest of the political circus, but still very much a part of it. Unless that translates into sustained political activity the rest of the time, then what's the difference between a tory turning up every 5 years saying 'vote for me', and some anarchist saying 'no, don't, he's a bastard' if they both disappear once the elections gone?
Obviously people will point out that that's not the only thing they're doing - but that doesn't stop people's perceptions, and in terms of a no-vote campaign that's all you're going to affect. Even if people 100% agree with propaganda, they're unlikely to go out and strike at their job or set up a residents association - I've never done either myself and I go on about it all the fucking time. However I've been lucky enough to live near existing local political groups for a while now. Setting those up, or doing a newsheet that publicises stuff that's going on that people might be able to get involved with, that will make elections seem both irrelevant and also not the only game in town. Not telling people not to do something that they may well have no intention of doing anyway.
jimmer mentioned Hackney Independent. As most people on here probably know, Hackney Independent does sometimes support candidates for Hackney Council elections - although it's a tiny fraction of the activity we're involved in and there's a very strong awareness of the limitations of it in the group. After the Hoxton by-election, about a month or two after, we made a point of going 'round the places we'd been beforehand despite having not won it - to emphasise that political activity needs to happen all the time.
If someone was considering a no-vote campaign, that'd be what I'd suggest. Canvassing/leafletting in a small area (like one ward, or one part of one ward) with as much information as possible about other political activity going on in the area - recent strikes, service closures, phone mast campaigns, residents associations - anything that's going. Then follow it up once or twice over the next six months drawing attention to the fact that the people they elected (or didn't) almost certainly haven't been back to see them in the same time and aren't likely to.
i think you're agreeing with my point...
the last point was precisely that the focus should be on doing stuff outside electoral politics and showing how they're much more effective than blindly hoping that Labour won't be as bad as the Tories.
ok, that last sentence was shit and unclear i should have said:
"the best thing to do would be to suggest (and demonstrate) that we are capable of changing our lives, because the inability of electoral politics (especially apparent at election time) to do this offers an opportunity to look towards a different understanding of politics and of political activity."
By which i mean that we should demonstrate that people do have the ability to shape their lives and that the electoral system is set up precisely to deprive them of this.
i think you're agreeing with my point...
I agree with that last post so yes!
Although i'd say even the electoral system/universal suffrage was a response to struggles which included a lot of things that had nothing to do with people getting the vote. The English and French revolutions weren't just about the monarchy vs. parliament, landowning class vs. bourgeios - they had plenty else going on which opposed both, but which was ultimately co-opted, sidelined or wiped out.
Yes its all about consciousness.
As was said above politics is seen as party politics so not voting is seen as passivity.
With a big "don't vote" campaign, you're reinforcing the 4-5 year cycle - if this is the only time people see anarchist propaganda (which if it's a poster/leaflet campaign around polling booths or whatever might well be), it'll simply be an amusing diversion from the rest of the political circus, but still very much a part of it. Unless that translates into sustained political activity the rest of the time, then what's the difference between a tory turning up every 5 years saying 'vote for me', and some anarchist saying 'no, don't, he's a bastard' if they both disappear once the elections gone?
This is it basically. If it's the only thing you're going to do it will have no effect. Incidentally whatever happened in that whole Easton placie? Shoes?
I feel there is a space for a no-vote campaign, but I think the emphasis should more be on a specific level than a generalised 'it only encourages them' one. Supposing you have a couple councillors in your area and you want to go on the attack, and supposing these councillors wield significant influence? Getting a massively humiliating no-vote (like that in the Easton thingwy where the none of the above vote superceded the actual duly elected incumbant) that allowed you to constantly undermine said councillors authority and flex some muscle at a local level could be potentially very beneficial to anyone interested in pursuing dual power, particularly if you can dish up a few scandals involving the councillors in question. In effect you could make them powerless in their own constituencies. Of course that would only work if you have a corresponding level of local organisation that can effect step into that wiggle space that your electoral victory (anti-victory?) creates.
Altho all that said and done it's important to remember that state power is not just exercised by elected politicians but through a raft of bureaucracies from council planning departments, quangos, enterprise agencies, housing associations, council area committees and subcommittees as well as (especially with a labour administration) community associations, projects, tenants federations, community forums, SIPs, community councils and a range of other committees. The last thing you would want to do is cause people to think of state power and interferance in their lives only being exercised through the offices of your local constituency MP/MSP/Assembly member/Councillor when there's so many other fuckers kicking about. If you're not careful knocking one of those pillars down may just elevate some other fucker.
Solidarity,
Nick
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the obvious argument that needs to be made at election times is that politicians stop caring about working class problems as soon as they get elected.
With a big "don't vote" campaign, you're reinforcing the 4-5 year cycle - if this is the only time people see anarchist propaganda (which if it's a poster/leaflet campaign around polling booths or whatever might well be), it'll simply be an amusing diversion from the rest of the political circus, but still very much a part of it. Unless that translates into sustained political activity the rest of the time, then what's the difference between a tory turning up every 5 years saying 'vote for me', and some anarchist saying 'no, don't, he's a bastard' if they both disappear once the elections gone?
Yeah maybe but I think you have to go to where people are and if people only think about 'politics' etc. at election time than we should at election time go to them. And yeah I obviously agree with you that we whould build up local campaigns etc. Point to whats happening in specific and give an anti-electoral argument.
However, I also think that there is a place for simple anarchist propaganda. Most people who I've known before and after becoming anarchists were exposed to the ideas long before they actually became interested in them. But, because they had been exposed to them, then, when something arose that made them think about political issue they were more inclined towards anarchism, being at least vaguely familar with it.
I think in times like this a lot of work for anarchists comes down to exposing people to our politics, laying down some ground work upon which organisation can develop. Anti-electoral campaigns are good for this.
why dont we have a vote on no voting campaigns
I have jumped forum from below into here
http://www.libcom.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8041
I must have missed this tread.
Are all political parties as bad as each other from a working class perspective?
From what I have been reading lately (Private Eye). I am pretty much convinced it is the case. I am sorry to generalise MP's and councillors "In it for the money" mentally. How can you suss MP’s and councillors out when so much can be gained by them privately for which we are not a privy too?
I can remember a case many years ago then the Labour Party had a scandal for which foreign money were being used to finances election campaigns. The labour Party set to resolve this issue by employing a woman (I forget her name) to check MP's personal finances. She was made redundant with in six months for doing a too good a job after MP’s complained.
Reading some of the other issue brought up. There are some local residents councillors in my area but I have been reliably told that they are ex-members of the Tory party, they have “jumped ship” when the Tory party were getting a beating in the locals. So in a sense, I got a choice of Tory/Ex-Tory/Labour/Lib-Dem. Usually people vote for one or the other in hope that something changes i.e. local council tax.
What the voters don’t realise is how their Public Funds are being spent. As far as the public are concerned all the Public Funds are going straight into civil servants pockets only the media portrayed civil servants as money hungry. The public are not aware of the fact that vast amount of public funds goes to subsided companies onces own by the state which in turn, turns into profits for the multinational companies who are part of the sub-contract culture i.e. shit pay for the workers and whopping pay day for the owners. From what I can tell in some cases, MP’s or associates, advisers, PA’s have a finger or in a role which actively promotes a sub-contract culture i.e. profiting from public funds under the guised for value for money.
As I was referring to earlier, how can you suss MP’s and councillors out? When so much can be gained by them privately for which we are not a privy too?
The general view I get from voters, that voters are generally unaware of these issues and hope by voting either Labour or Tory in a vane hope something somehow changes. I think a no vote campaign can and should be educational without sounding wanky. I take the point that you should follow up more than once every fives years.
It's the fact that electoralism doesn't make a difference that makes anti-voting campaigns useful. A good anti-election campaign should emphasize this point, because, if a person accepts the idea that voting can really change anything, s/he will be more likely to use it to such an end. Of course, they'll be wasting their time. More than that, they'll be less likely to seek other means of changing the makeup of society - revolution.
So, if we attack the fuitility of any participation in the electoral system, and present proletarial revolution as the only effective way to seriously change things, we, as anarchists, will be making good use of our time.
well damn, I had all sorts of clever things to say, but clever people have already said them 
FWIW, I think it's important to be clearly critical of elections, because of their inherant weakness. However, as has been said, the working class are already not-voting in droves. So offering useful, collective solutions is the most important thing, rather than seeking to 'break' them from parliamentary illusions.
We're not in the hey-day of social democracy, are we!
Which raises the question -- woukd things be differnt if we were anarchists in south america right now?
If we were in South America right now, I think that we'd probably be a lot more open to the idea of fighting for reforms, since it seems to be more effective down there than it is here in the "first world".
That being said, a lot of us would probably be able to see, based on what has and is happening to all the reforms won in the first world, that electoralism is in no way a permanent solution, nor is it a way of ending capitalism entirely.
So, if I were in South America next week, I'd still argue against electoralism, but I'd be more understanding of people who disagree.
But in the first world, there's just no excuse.
But in the first world, there's just no excuse.
I thought you were a national liberationist of some stripe - why would you not vote for a secessionist party then?
Can't remember if I've commented on this thread already. But yeah I think they're a waste of time, though elections do get everyone talking about politics, so they're a good opportunity for "outreach". I think it would be a good opportunity to do something like push the everyday manifesto ( www.everyday.org.uk ) if it was more complete, and do things like put up posters in windows instead of saying vote for someone saying "organise" or get involved in some local campaign or whatever. Stressing that real political change comes about through us working together, not electing politicians...
Anarchists don't vote. Voting only delays real change!!!!
Can't remember if I've commented on this thread already. But yeah I think they're a waste of time, though elections do get everyone talking about politics, so they're a good opportunity for "outreach". I think it would be a good opportunity to do something like push the everyday manifesto ( www.everyday.org.uk ) if it was more complete, and do things like put up posters in windows instead of saying vote for someone saying "organise" or get involved in some local campaign or whatever. Stressing that real political change comes about through us working together, not electing politicians...
Hey John,
I heard about this deadly organisation called the WSM that did something like that back in 2002.
check out the pdf. http://struggle.ws/pdfs/choice.pdf
The Green Party:
A bunny rabbit in the path of
the global capitalist bulldozer
* trading principles for power
Socialist Leaders Party
Voters of the World Unite!!!
* for a return to Lenin's
dictatorship
te he he
Hmmm, happy times.
Oh and this was 2002, I think we'd write it slightly different if we were writing it today. (i.e. probably no references to RTS, gluasieacht or the 'anti-globalisation' movement).
In the south of Ireland there is a general electionon May 17th. Anarchists are mounting a major
anti election campaign which includes thousands
of leaflets, the text of one is below
PDF file of leaflet
http://struggle.ws/wsm/pdf/leaf/ele02choice.html
Text of the leaflet follows
Call this choice?
What they say
In their election campaigns all the parties say
the same things. They are all for a "properly
funded health system", "affordable housing", a
"modern and efficient public transport system",
"investment in schools" and so on. They present
us with a set of wild promises for achieving
these goals, supported by vague and implausible
plans. Then four years later they're back with
the same policies, the same promises and the
same problems.
After years of economic boom we are left with a
disastrous health system, a chronic housing
crisis, an underfunded, demoralised education
system and gridlocked transport. Still, all of
the major parties continue with policies which
are virtually identical. Their only real
disagreements are on trivial differences in
their vague spending promises. Supposedly, we
live in a democracy and in a democracy, the
people have the power. But what power do we have
when the only say that we get in how our society
is run, is a choice between a few nearly
identical parties every five years?
It's only in the personalities of individual
candidates, or on local issues, that we can see
any difference between the 'choices' in front of
us. But even these minor differences are more
imaginary than real. In this contest of
personalities and rhetoric, those who can ensure
the most sympathetic media attention win. Voting
in the election is no more empowering than
voting for 'popstars' - whoever puts on the best
show wins - they're all selling the same thing.
No matter who we vote for, we have no say in any
of the major decisions that affect our lives. We
have no say in how our workplaces are run, we
have no control over the distribution of our
society's wealth. Elections are supposed to be
how the ordinary person has a say in the running
of society. Yet it seems that somebody else has
already made all of the important decisions -
without asking us.
What they do
Over the last decade in Ireland all of the major
parties have been in government and they all
pursued nearly identical policies. If you
noticed any major differences in the way the
country was run during the last two governments,
you must have been smoking something strong.
Their policies are largely dictated by the needs
of global capitalism and its international
institutions like the EU, IMF, World Bank, NATO
and G8. Whichever government gets in after this
election, you can be sure they'll happily
continue this neo-liberal agenda and continue to
keep corporate tax low, keep wages down,
privatise whatever they can and try to make
people pay for essential services such as water
and bins.
Even on the relatively minor issues where we can
see some difference between the parties, our
vote is hardly that powerful. We have no control
over those who we vote for and there is no
guarantee that they will do what they say. There
are thousands of recent examples of politicians
'changing their minds' as soon as they get a
sniff of power. For example, in their manifesto
for the 1997 election, Fianna Fail stated: "We
oppose Irish participation in N.A.T.O. itself,
[and] in N.A.T.O.-led organisations such as the
Partnership for Peace". Two years later they led
Ireland into Partnership for Peace.
If you think that we can solve our problems by
voting and waiting for politicians to sort it
out, you are fooling yourself. Politicians look
after themselves and their powerful friends. If
ordinary people want to have any say in the
running of society, we need to get active,
organise and fight for ourselves.
Take the power back!
Real power in our 'democracy' does not lie in
the hands of the people. The bosses of the media
companies and other large corporations wield the
power. In Ireland, Tony O Reilly has more
influence over important decisions than hundreds
of thousands of ordinary people combined.
Unfortunately, changing this is much more
difficult than simply going out to vote every
few years.
If you want to have any hope of taking the power
back, you have to get active. This means
organising with those around you to take on the
power of the corporations. It means organising
in such a way that everybody has a say over the
decisions that affect them. It means refusing to
accept what the government tells you to do and
taking direct action instead. Whether you
participate in a protest, help to produce an
alternative news service, or disobey an unjust
law, you are taking the power into your own
hands, not waiting for somebody else to do it
for you. Although our tiny voices of protest can
seem insignificant in the face of the might of
global capitalism, we are not alone. In the last
few years a global movement has emerged which
has seen hundreds of thousands take to the
streets all over the world to oppose the summits
of the global elite. One of the slogans of these
protests has been "think global, act local" and
this is exactly what we need to do.
Want To get Active?
Here are some good places to start, campaigns
and groups supported by anarchists:
Workers Solidarity Movement - Irish Anarchist
organisation involved in a range of struggles
for a free, socialist world. 087-7939931 or
Campaign against the bin charges - Opposing
unfair double taxation. For info on groups in
your area phone: 087-6277606.
Gluaiseacht - Organising in a non-hierarchical
way around environmental and social justice
issues. They have organised a number of protests
against Sellafield. http://www.gluaiseacht.org/
Reclaim the streets - Reclaiming public space
for the people to party! 087-9425422 or
Indymedia - An international network of
alternative news services, against the corporate
monopoly of media: http://www.indymedia.ie/
Residents Against Racism / Anti-Fascist Action -
anti-racist groups email:
Residents_Against_Racism@ireland.com /
Cork Peace Alliance - Organising against war and
imperialism The CAZ, 4 Knapps Square, Cork.
Anarchists & Elections
The famous anarchist Emma Goldman once wrote
"participation in elections means the transfer
of one's will and decisions to another.."
This sums up neatly one of the main reasons why
anarchists argue against taking part in
parliamentary elections. The very act of going
into a polling booth and putting a number beside
someone's name is in itself an act of
disempowerment; it is an acceptance that someone
else has the right to make decisions on our
behalf.
When a decision has to be made there are
essentially two basic choices - either the
people directly involved make the decision for
themselves or someone else makes it for them.
Anarchists argue that, rather than choose who
should make decisions for us, we would be better
off spending our energies in attempting to build
a new society in which we can make those
decisions for ourselves.
One of the best examples of this is the issue of
local authority service charges. A campaign is
now under way throughout the country aimed at
the abolition of service charges (refuse
charges). Householders in Dublin, Cork and
elsewhere are refusing to pay what is rightly
seen as an unfair double tax. Not one single
candidate in the last local elections actually
wrote in his/her manifesto that he/she was in
favour of the imposition of this tax. Yet it has
been introduced by politicians, and PAYE
taxpayers are expected to pay up yet again -
while at the same time the rate at which tax is
levied on the profits of big companies such as
the banks continues to be reduced.
Given the level of opposition to the tax, the
obvious way to defeat it is simply not to pay.
If everyone stands together and refuses to give
in, the Councils and the government will
eventually have to give in. Just as we defeated
the water charges over 4 years ago, so we can
also win on this issue by standing together in
solidarity. We don't need to vote for anyone to
win on this issue - what we do need is simply to
stand shoulder to shoulder with our neighbours
in our refusal to pay.
On a wider basis, what we need to do as a
society is to look to developing ways of
tackling the 'democratic deficit'. All of us are
aware of the fact that politicians are totally
out of touch with the needs of working class
communities. We are also aware that we have
absolutely no mechanism for ensuring that the
politicians that we vote for actually carry out
the promises for which they are elected.
Anarchists want to develop a system of true
direct democracy, which will ensure that these
issues are tackled. That is why we reject
participation in the sham of parliamentary
elections.
Ideas and Action
Irish Anarchist Gathering - Dublin
- May 18th - All welcome
>From Resistance to Change
Saturday May 18th, 11.am, Central Hotel,
Exchequer Street, Dublin 2
1. The Anti-Capitalist Movement - Think Global,
Act Local
Speakers on Anti Bin Charge Campaign, Save the
Old Head of Kinsale Campaign, Critical
Mass/Reclaim The Streets
2. The North - the challenge of building a broad
successful anti-sectarian movement. Speakers
from WSM and other anarchist organisations.
3. Sellafield - From Protest to Closure -
Speaker from Gluaiseacht, and a speaker on the
successful anti-Carnsore campaign
4. The anarchist solution and organising to
achieve it
For further details or if you are travelling
from outside Dublin and will need accommodation
contact us at wsm_ireland@yahoo.com Phone/SMS
087-7939931
The election web page contains lots of
background articles on Anarchism and the
Elections. It is at
http://struggle.ws/election.html
PDF file of leaflet
http://struggle.ws/wsm/pdf/leaf/ele02choice.html
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I thought you were a national liberationist of some stripe
I don't think I'd call myself a "national liberationist", I just think national liberation is progressive. 8)
- why would you not vote for a secessionist party then?
Main reason is that I don't think voting for secessionist parties will bring about national liberation (le Parti Quebecois has had a good deal of time in power... with no measurable success).
Second is that there's no secessionist movement in Ontario - we're the imperialists, remember?










Tbh I reckon the voting numbers are low enough these days that any anti-vote campaign would mainly be bragging
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Could be a beneficial way to promote a group though to do a clever bit of self-publicity around it (after all, who's going to disagree with statements like 'politicians are only in it for the power' etc).