The centrality of class to Situationist ideas

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Hey all,

For an article we libcom lot are writing we need a couple of Situ quotations (not meaning graffiti slogans, sentences from books are fine) which demonstrate the centrality of ideas of class (and/or Marxism) to the Situationists' ideas.

Any suggestions?

Do they make any comments on individualist anarchists anywhere?

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Debord makes some passing negative comment about individualist anarchos in Ch.4 of Society of the Spectacle.

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Debord makes some passing negative comment about individualist anarchos in Ch.4 of Society of the Spectacle.

Ooooh nice:

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the pretensions of anarchism in its individualist variants have always been laughable
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Any passage from Spectacle on the liberation of historical time via the working class should do.

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Vaneigem wrote:
The infection of human relations by exchange and bargaining is plainly linked to the existence of the bourgeoisie. The fact that exchange persists in a part of the world where it is claimed that there is a classless society suggests that the shadow of the bourgeoisie continues to rule under the red flag. Especially as the pleasure of giving, which appears in all industrial societies, defines very clearly the frontier between the world of calculation and the world of exuberance, of festivity. This style of giving has nothing to do with the prestige-gift practiced by the nobility, hopelessly imprisoned by the notion of sacrifice. The proletariat really does carry the project of human fullness, the project of total life: a project in which the aristocracy had failed, albeit failed magnificently.

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didnt they write somewhere that:

"The revolution is the self emancipation of the working classes or it is no revolution at all"

or am i just being stupid?

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perhaps a bit much for your purposes...

[...]In the course of this complex and terrible evolution which has brought the era of class struggles to a new set of conditions, the proletariat of the industrial countries has lost its ability to assert its own independent perspective. In a fundamental sense, it has also lost its illusions. But it has not lost its being. The proletariat has not been eliminated. It remains irreducibly present within the intensified alienation of modern capitalism. It consists of that vast majority of workers who have lost all power over their lives and who, once they become aware of this, redefine themselves as the proletariat, the force working to negate this society from within. [...]

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perhaps a bit much for your purposes...

[...]In the course of this complex and terrible evolution which has brought the era of class struggles to a new set of conditions, the proletariat of the industrial countries has lost its ability to assert its own independent perspective. In a fundamental sense, it has also lost its illusions. But it has not lost its being. The proletariat has not been eliminated. It remains irreducibly present within the intensified alienation of modern capitalism. It consists of that vast majority of workers who have lost all power over their lives and who, once they become aware of this, redefine themselves as the proletariat, the force working to negate this society from within. [...]

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where's that from?

VAC if you find where they said it we can use it, cheers all!

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Sounds like Society of the Spectacle to me.

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Sounds like Society of the Spectacle to me.

can't find it from a google search...

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spectacle no 114. smile chapter 4.

actually the entire paragraph is pretty much badass.

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Vaneigem wrote:
People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive in the refusal of constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth

Surely that's gotta go in??

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abso-fucking lutely. grin red n black star

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do some research on that quote before you put it in though, i'm pretty damm sure it was them but i cant think what book it was in.

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revolution of everyday life, vaneigem.

ironically tongue

(in the chapter on sacrifice I believe)

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Minimum Definition of Revolutionary Organizations

Since the only purpose of a revolutionary organization is the abolition of all existing classes in a way that does not bring about a new division of society, we consider any organization revolutionary which consistently and effectively works toward the international realization of the absolute power of the workers councils, as prefigured in the experience of the proletarian revolutions of this century.

Such an organization makes an integral critique of the world, or is nothing. By integral critique we mean a comprehensive critique of all geographical areas where various forms of separate socioeconomic powers exist, as well as a comprehensive critique of all aspects of life.

Such an organization sees the beginning and end of its program in the complete decolonization of everyday life. It thus aims not at the masses’ self-management of the existing world, but at its uninterrupted transformation. It embodies the radical critique of political economy, the supersession of the commodity and of wage labor.

Such an organization refuses to reproduce within itself any of the hierarchical conditions of the dominant world. The only limit to participating in its total democracy is that each member must have recognized and appropriated the coherence of its critique. This coherence must be both in the critical theory as such and in the relation between this theory and practical activity. The organization radically criticizes every ideology as separate power of ideas and as ideas of separate power. It is thus at the same time the negation of any remnants of religion, and of the prevailing social spectacle which, from news media to mass culture, monopolizes communication between people around their one-way reception of images of their alienated activity. The organization dissolves any “revolutionary ideology,” unmasking it as a sign of the failure of the revolutionary project, as the private property of new specialists of power, as one more fraudulent representation setting itself above real proletarianized life.

Since the ultimate criterion of the modern revolutionary organization is its totalness, such an organization is ultimately a critique of politics. It must explicitly aim to dissolve itself as a separate organization at its moment of victory.

SITUATIONIST INTERNATIONAL

July 1966

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I still think this is a classic expression. much of it is right from the spectacle.

any new international solidarity would have to achieve a minimum definition with a little less abstraction and more explicit language about acceptable organizational form. I see the seperation but 'grasping the totality of the coherence of the critque' is almost too ephemeral and too 'hardboiled' at the same time...

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Scan reading the posts - I haven't seen anyone refer to Debord as the Hegelian Marxist he was. The concept of the Spectacle is, i like to think the (bastard) child of Hegel, Marx and the Lukacs of H&C...

Whilst it is quiet normal to think of Debord as a libertarian it's a dangerous appropriation because he was after all a marxist and an anti-stalinist before he was a libertarian.

It might also be worth looking at some of the recent work of Julia Kristeva who has used the concept of the Spectacle in quite interesting ways recently...

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Here's two quotes from René Riesel's

"Preliminaries on Councils and Councilist Organization"

http://prole.info/articles/councilsandcouncilistorg.html

"...the workers continue to be the central force capable of bringing the existing functioning of society to a halt and the indispensable force for reinventing all its bases."

"The shameful example of Barcelona in May 1937 is another proof of this: the fact that arms were brought out so quickly in response to the Stalinist provocation says a lot for the Catalonian masses’ immense capacities for autonomy; but the fact that the order to surrender issued by the anarchist ministers was so quickly obeyed demonstrates how much autonomy for victory they still lacked. Tomorrow again it will be the workers’ degree of autonomy that will decide our fate."

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Here's two quotes from René Riesel's

"Preliminaries on Councils and Councilist Organization"

http://prole.info/articles/councilsandcouncilistorg.html

"...the workers continue to be the central force capable of bringing the existing functioning of society to a halt and the indispensable force for reinventing all its bases."

Ooh excellent cheers!

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sdv wrote:
Scan reading the posts - I haven't seen anyone refer to Debord as the Hegelian Marxist he was. The concept of the Spectacle is, i like to think the (bastard) child of Hegel, Marx and the Lukacs of H&C...

I think it was Redtwister on another list who quoted Debord as saying something like, "an attack on revolution within Marxism always starts with an attack on dialectics". Hello Toni.

No idea where it's from though.

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Guy Debord is a dead modernist sucker!

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sdv wrote:
It might also be worth looking at some of the recent work of Julia Kristeva who has used the concept of the Spectacle in quite interesting ways recently...

any refs? how does it fit in with her stuff on semiotics?

does she see detournement as similar to poetic language in accessing a playful & subversive side within an otherwise closed signifying system?

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Vaneigem wrote:
People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive in the refusal of constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth
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revolution of everyday life, vaneigem.

ironically tongue

(in the chapter on sacrifice I believe)

Last paragraph in Chapter 1. The insignificant signified.

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HENCEFORTH, the situationists are everywhere, and their task is everywhere. All those who think they are situationists have simply to prove the "truth, in other words, reality and power, that which is material" of their thought before the ensemble of the revolutionary proletarian movement, wherever it begins to create its International, and no longer before the SI alone. As for us, we no longer have to guarantee in any way that such individuals are situationists or not, because we no longer need to, and we have never found that sort of thing to our taste.

From thesis 53 'Theses on the SI and its time' (King James Version)

Maybe it is as well to keep in mind that the practice of quoting authorities is explictly anti-situationist. Also, in this text the SI denounce not just individualist anarchists but the FAI and all anarchist federations.

It seems their most appropriate work for 2006.

pilpil

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HENCEFORTH, the situationists are everywhere, and their task is everywhere. All those who think they are situationists have simply to prove the "truth, in other words, reality and power, that which is material" of their thought before the ensemble of the revolutionary proletarian movement, wherever it begins to create its International, and no longer before the SI alone. As for us, we no longer have to guarantee in any way that such individuals are situationists or not, because we no longer need to, and we have never found that sort of thing to our taste.

From thesis 53 'Theses on the SI and its time' (King James Version)

Maybe it is as well to keep in mind that the practice of quoting authorities is explictly anti-situationist. Also, in this text the SI denounce not just individualist anarchists but the FAI and all anarchist federations.

It seems their most appropriate work for 2006.

pilpil

I don't think anyone is making an appeal to authority when they are quoting the situs. They're just qouting. And qouting is most certainly not anti-situ. See Society of the Spectacle. Or the fact that most situ propaganda circa 1968 was quotes from Soc. of the Spectacle or Rev. of Everyday Life.

As for that qoute its pure situ bullshit...

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we no longer have to guarantee in any way that such individuals are situationists or not, because we no longer need to, and we have never found that sort of thing to our taste.

Anyone who knows their SI history knows how hung up Debord in particular was about who could and could not be considered situ. See the Ben Morea, Motherfuckers, King Mob, escapades.

And who gives a flying shite what someone said about a few french anarchist feds as they existed in the 60s?

Unless you are using the SI's critique as a substitute for a critique of 'organisation'.

Well, in case you didn't notice the SI was an organisation. Christ it was almost organisationally speaking platformist. Theoretical and tactical unity, collective responsibility and internal discipline. The only place it falls down in terms of platformist credentials is the fact that it was internally hierarchical and didn't function federally.

Or are you saying since "HENCEFORTH, the situationists are everywhere, and their task is everywhere " and since the SI has been disolved that political orgs. are no longer needed? The SI was the 7th caliph or sumat?

Either way it's ridiculous.

I hope you've a bit more sense than that.

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John. wrote:
Hey all,

For an article we libcom lot are writing we need a couple of Situ quotations (not meaning graffiti slogans, sentences from books are fine) which demonstrate the centrality of ideas of class (and/or Marxism) to the Situationists' ideas.

Any suggestions?

Do they make any comments on individualist anarchists anywhere?

Hi,

Much of Debord's TSOTS comes from Lukacs' History and Class Consciousness - lots of Hegelian ideas about the proletariat coming to self consciousness in the same way as Hegel's Spirit. Also, read chapter 4 of TSOTS - this talks about the importance of 'historical thought' and its relation to the proletariat. There are also a couple of theses devoted to anarchism, and a brief discussion of the disparity between Marx and Bakunin.

...but its important to bear in mind that for Debord and the SI the proletariat was no longer a purely economic category - the class struggle becomes (for them) a struggle between those who want spectacle to end, and those who act in its interest. Its essentially a struggle against any kind of arrest of the autonomous creation and (re)appropriation of human history.

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Jack wrote:
Or even better, the version of The Revolution of Everyday life in the libcom library

ROEL is pants

No theoretical substance whatsoever, just pure rhetoric

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SatanIsMyCoPilot wrote:

ROEL is pants

No theoretical substance whatsoever, just pure rhetoric

I entirely agree.

I was just giving the link to our version of it.

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yeah satanismycopilot,

Debord just robbed Lukacs and the Frankfurt School, and hid the loot in a big artsy pretentious beret.