'Communal Councils' in Venezuela

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Jul 3 2007 03:32
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Mon 6.25.07| A Humanist Socialism

Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez once spoke of a third way between capitalism and socialism. Now he speaks of building a new type of socialism, a humanist one. In Build It Now, Michael Lebowitz describes what a humanist socialism would look like and examines whether Chavez's Bolivarian Revolution represents a path toward that goal.

http://www.againstthegrain.org/

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Jul 3 2007 06:21
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While various mainstream media attempts to ideologically associate the Venezuelan president with Osama Bin Laden, Al Quaeda, etc.have been comical, there is some substance to this charge. Chavez's confluence of interests with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad includes a $2billion USD "anti-imperialist fund" to assist with projects deemed as undermining the hegemony of the only superpower, including grants to underdeveloped countries with a view to fostering self-sufficiency. Another thing the two leaders share is that their names as well as those of the countries they preside over are at the top of the US hit list, and they both represent large oil exporters. The ideological affinity doesn't extend into the domestic political field, where Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is markedly anti-leftist, rivalling perhaps even Joseph K. The crimes of the Iranian government against Iranian leftists are notorius, while Chavez sheilds Venezuelan leftist organizers and sympathisers from the security services/army/death squad treatment so common under previous administrations.

so in the name of anti-imperialism cosying up to someone who has the families of thousands of striking workers beaten in their beds is fine, as long as it's anti-american. seriously you do seem to buy into the 'great satan' thing, where any means necessary, including supporting all sorts of anti-working class regimes is fair enough to fight 'america'. you're a parody of leftism.

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Jul 3 2007 10:09

Although many revolutionaries in Europe saw the falsity of Chavez' socialism, mostly of the third world countries like the Phillipines still mystified with Chavez. Chavism reinforces their belief that nationalism, anti-imperialism is still the only way towards socialism.

Filipino Leftists tirelessly propagated the socialism of Chavez as the new model in the contemporary struggle against capitalism. The exception of this might be the Filipino maoist who cling to their beleif that only the maoist model of socialism is the real inheritor of marxist socialism.

In the third world countries like the Philippines, more efforts must be exerted on the part of the Filipino internationalist communist to demystify the fake socialism of Chavism.

Revolutionaries in Europe and America who have friends and contacts in the Philippines are of great help to educate their friends and contacts here.

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Jul 3 2007 10:19

internasyonalista, that's interesting. to a certain extent western leftists loving Chavez is irrelevant, since his politics are specific to post-colonial countries and aren't going to be emulated here. but as you say it may have real consequences for the direction of the workers' movements in other post-colonial countries, like the statist shadow cast by the USSR over left politics for so long

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Jul 4 2007 04:33

I agree. Even the so-called anti-Stalinist leftists here admired chavez' socialism, "ironic" huh!

Though the crisis of decadence of capitalism is more glaring and brutal in the thirrd world countries, mystifications of all kinds still weight heavily especially the belief that "national liberation" movements is the only way to socialism.

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Jul 11 2007 08:26
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jonnyflash wrote:
While various mainstream media attempts to ideologically associate the Venezuelan president with Osama Bin Laden, Al Quaeda, etc.have been comical, there is some substance to this charge. Chavez's confluence of interests with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad includes a $2billion USD "anti-imperialist fund" to assist with projects deemed as undermining the hegemony of the only superpower, including grants to underdeveloped countries with a view to fostering self-sufficiency. Another thing the two leaders share is that their names as well as those of the countries they preside over are at the top of the US hit list, and they both represent large oil exporters. The ideological affinity doesn't extend into the domestic political field, where Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is markedly anti-leftist, rivalling perhaps even Joseph K. The crimes of the Iranian government against Iranian leftists are notorius, while Chavez sheilds Venezuelan leftist organizers and sympathisers from the security services/army/death squad treatment so common under previous administrations.

so in the name of anti-imperialism cosying up to someone who has the families of thousands of striking workers beaten in their beds is fine, as long as it's anti-american. seriously you do seem to buy into the 'great satan' thing, where any means necessary, including supporting all sorts of anti-working class regimes is fair enough to fight 'america'. you're a parody of leftism.

Rather than gratuitously cozying up to bad, bad individuals, Chavez is gladhanding and aiming at using Iranian know-how and productive abilities to spur the growth of production at home, and for the continent. The now joint (Venirauto) but soon to be solo manufacture of autos and tractors being two examples. Whether replacing Windows with Linux in all government computers, or replacing american/european/asian cars with ones produced domestically, the Bolivarian government seems intent on infrastructural auto-nomy. hehe. Not content to hang with just Ahmadenejad, Chavez also has a public transit designing thing going with London's mayor Livingston, among dozens of other international collaborations.

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Jul 11 2007 08:28

Nice link, MJ. I enjoyed the interview.

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Jul 11 2007 08:33
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Whether replacing Windows with Linux in all government computers, or replacing american/european/asian cars with ones produced domestically, the Bolivarian government seems intent on infrastructural auto-nomy. hehe.

Imperialst lackey south korea also built it's successful national capital accumulation on import substitution, so what? None of this makes chavez any less a social democrat confused

and ken livingstone is a cunt, so that amplifies his ahmadinejad connection rather than attenuating it

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Jul 11 2007 09:03

With the way that race correlates to class, it might be difficult for Phillipinos, 31 million of whom (39.4% of the population) earned less than $0.76/day in the year 2000, to chill out on the way the Bolivarian revolution is lifting the quality of life of the average Venezuelan while almost completely ending death squad activity.

Internasyonalista has quite a task ahead, to implant the ideas of some of the least dynamic, least successful left intellectuals on the planet.

Q: Will such ideas find fertile ground in the Phillipines?

A: According to James Petras and Robin Eastman-Abaya;

"The killings and kidnappings spread and intensified in tandem with the influx of US military aid and the arrival of military advisers. According to church human rights groups, the list of murdered political leaders included individuals from all sectors of civil society: journalists, political and social activists, union leaders, clergy, lawyers and judges, peasant leaders and human rights monitors and witnesses to human right violations were killed. The modus operandi of the extra-judicial executions closely resemble those of the Colombian death squads allied to the military and Uribe government: Young men in ski masks (called ‘bonnets’) on motorcycles shoot their victims openly, often within close proximity of police or military camps. Arrests are almost never made, eyewitnesses are killed and convictions are unheard of. All the data point to strong ties between the death squads and the military and the military to the Macapagal regime. Of the twelve Philippine military and militiamen implicated by the regime, only three, very low-ranking soldiers have been charged in connection with the 840 assassinations and over 200 disappearances."

Ground with all that blood in it may prove inhospitable to these sterile euro-american seeds. Maybe in that aspect it's a blessing that only 6% of citizens
have access to the internet.

sources: http://www.apmforum.com/columns/orientseas49.htm
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=12464
http://www.internetworldstats.com/asia/ph.htm

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Jul 11 2007 12:01

oh noes, the pure third world subjects are becoming corrupted by western intellectual imperialism! i hope it doesn't catch on or they'll never support my beloved social democrats/nationalist gangs/north korea!

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Jul 11 2007 12:30

Hmm for the record, and everything else aside, I think import substitution is in and of itself a good thing. Sure its primary aim is to ratchet Venezuelan capital into a higher tier in the worldsystem, but establishing more local forward and backward linkages in production is never in and of itself bad. Kind of like how if capital figured out how to make a buck staving off global warming I would still think it's a good idea to stave off global warming. Also I'll be impressed (in similarly neutral terms) if it works for them, only because it's supposed to be technically impossible in the post-70s era, and most of the ones that did it successfully before then did so with the nurturing of the more established capitals.

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Jul 12 2007 21:30

Johnnyflash: the existence of Internasyonalista answers your question.

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Jul 13 2007 17:13

another topic for discussion:

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How Chavez changed life in the tribal territories
New rights
By Maurice Lemoine

Article 119: The “multiethnic, multicultural and multilingual” state recognises the rights of the indigenous peoples over the land they traditionally and ancestrally occupied. They must demarcate that land and guarantee the right to its collective ownership.

Article 120: Exploitation by the state of natural resources will be subject to prior consultation with the native communities.

Article 121: The indigenous peoples have the right to an education system of an intercultural and bilingual nature.

Article 124: The registry of patents on native genetic resources or intellectual property related to their ancestral knowledge about biodiversity is prohibited.

Article 125: Three native representatives will sit on the National Assembly and there will be representatives in the municipal and regional assemblies in regions with a native population.

http://mondediplo.com/2007/07/13newrights

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Jul 23 2007 14:10

Venezuela is to expel foreign critics of the government. now it's mostly aimed at diplomats so i don't give a shit, but the reasoning is funny:

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"How long are we going to allow a person - from any country in the world - to come to our own house to say there's a dictatorship here, that the president is a tyrant, and nobody does anything about it?" Mr Chavez said

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6911246.stm

'how long can people keep calling me a dictator before i summarily silence them?' grin