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Toxictears
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Aug 12 2004 01:47
Definitions?

How many different kinds of anarcho-whatevers and what do they all mean? confused

OldGit
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Aug 12 2004 14:36

In Russia they have "anarcho-monarchists" and "anarcho-fascists".What's that all about?

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Aug 12 2004 14:53

Sorry, a slip-up in last post. Anarcho-fascists, perhaps not: anarcho-nationaiists was meant. There MAY be a subtle difference.

AlexA
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Aug 12 2004 16:05

In short basically they aren't anarchists - they're fascists! See a load of US sites about "National Anarchism" roll eyes

toxictears i ain't got time at the mo but some are explained on www.anarchistfaq.org

OldGit
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Aug 12 2004 23:32

And are anarcho-syndicalists just syndicalists, not anarchists?

Steve
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Aug 13 2004 07:43

Anarcho-syndicalists are anarchists. The clue is in the 'anarcho' bit. roll eyes

Yrwenot3?
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Aug 13 2004 09:11

S'pose the biggest question is whether people are sincere about their anarchism or whether its just a lifestyle thang...

AlexA
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Aug 14 2004 00:40

anarchist-communist: includes most anarcho-syndicalists, means anarchists who want communism as economic system: from each according to ability, to each according to need

anarcho-syndicalists: want to build anarchist workers (employed+unemployed) unions to take over running of society from capitalists

anarchist individualists - basically radical liberals, not communists, believe in private property but not a state, similar to anarcho-capitalists

they're the main sections...

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Aug 14 2004 13:15
alexa wrote:

anarchist individualists - basically radical liberals, not communists, believe in private property but not a state, similar to anarcho-capitalists

not really true at all, anarchist-individualist of the 19th century had a conception of the economy that was largely artisanl rather than industrial. They were opposed profits, rent and wage slavery. You might consider an view of an artisan economy as out dated or no longer relevant, but to call it capitalistic is just a slur.

Toxictears
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Aug 14 2004 15:56

How does "anarcho-communist" work? Is it possible to be communist and an anarchist? Isnt communism a system....which anarchists oppose?

AlexA
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Aug 14 2004 16:34

As I outlined above, communism is defined as an economic system based on[i] from each according to ability, to each according to need [/b]

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Aug 14 2004 22:42

Anarcho-Communism is basically the idea that all property should be communally owned and that money etc should be abolished. It also accepts the idea of class struggle i.e. working class vs ruling class and settling it with a revolution.

But at the same time it rejects all the Leninist bollocks of vanguard parties leading the working class, dictatorship of proletariat etc.

As Luigi Fabbri said "If one has to talk about contradiction in terms, it must not be between the term communism and the term anarchism, which are so compatible that the one is not possible in the absense of the other, but rather between communism and State. Where there is a State or government, no communism is possible." I like that quote smile

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Aug 16 2004 13:27
Steve wrote:
Anarcho-syndicalists are anarchists. The clue is in the 'anarcho' bit. roll eyes

What's in a name? we have a 'socialist' government but the guy next door has his own speedboat and only works 13 hours a week.

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Aug 17 2004 13:01
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we have a 'socialist' government

The only people I've heard describe our "government" as "socialist" are the nutters who contribute to the "What's wrong with Britain" website. Mind you, I found that a lot of what Socialists do is sit around and try to define what Socialism actually is.

I find it a bit distressing how so many of the the various -ists just want to argue with each other to prove that they are right. This seems to reduce the "left" to an unofficial elitist debating society.

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Aug 17 2004 15:00

But how can you define the word "anarcho" or "anarchist" so far it anarchism seems to be about what you as an individual make of it. But their must be some grounds, surely? Something must make Anarchism anarchism. Is their a definition? Some ground opinions maybe?

Toxictears
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Sep 20 2004 21:46

What about property. Define what the word 'property' means to you or what it would mean in an anarchist society. Uhm, please smile

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Sep 21 2004 12:26

anarchism is explained in the /thought section of this site.

Property - when talking about the "abolition of private property" doesn't mean stuff like your car, TV or y-fronts, it refers to ownership of means of survival - land, shelter and factories/offices.

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Sep 21 2004 13:40

Yes, personal possessions and private property aren't really the same thing in economic terms.

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Sep 22 2004 03:25
Toxictears wrote:
But how can you define the word "anarcho" or "anarchist" so far it anarchism seems to be about what you as an individual make of it. But their must be some grounds, surely? Something must make Anarchism anarchism. Is their a definition? Some ground opinions maybe?

let's have a go. anarchy can refer to a period of chaos during the death of one "system" and the birth of another. but why exchange one master for another? anarchism for me is a permanent extension of this "anarchy" - a constant revolution with no room for authoratitive structures. anarchists (as is thier right) differ on how this might be achieved and in thier predictions of such a society, BUT, who the fuck can tell? - we're all guessing, wishing. (no offence to the many fine activists living their dream, RESPECT).

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Sep 22 2004 17:34
jetblack wrote:
let's have a go. anarchy can refer to a period of chaos during the death of one "system" and the birth of another. but why exchange one master for another?

What?

Why are you trying to call "anarchy" "chaos"? You write for the Daily Mail or something? roll eyes