Discussing the Kamunist Kranti/Collectivities article Self-Activity of Wage Workers
The article (they stopped being called the KK a long time ago, and I don't think actually have a group name or form like that)is here http://libcom.org/library/self-activity-wage-workers-kamunist-kranti
In this article they make a number of wide ranging and broad arguements. Having spent some time with these folks at the Faridabad Majdoor Samachar, I know that just reading the few articles they have online won't give you a good picture of what they do or think. Part of the problem is translation, part of the problem is a different framework/experience/vocabulary, and part of it is that you only see a glimpse of what is in fact a fairly systematic approach. In that context slapping labels on them, jumping to conclusions about what you think they mean, etc., is not wise.
With that in mind I wanted to discuss some portions of the text. In it they layout forms of self-activity of workers, mostly drawing off their experiences. They then discuss the forms of cooptation, and the 'fringe-left' responses. They critique the left (by which I think they mean to include most anarchists and left-communists as well) for their embrace of means which are unifocal, or which imply forms of representation and/or(?) break up the diffuse forms of self-organization of the working class and are predicated on hierarchies of the radicals.
To draw out this reasoning they discuss strikes, demonstrations, and mass meetings, and argue that they aren't in the interests of workers, that they privledge hierarchical proto-state forms, and that they dissolve self-activities.
For example
"Unified militant struggles, whether in the form of demonstrations, mass meetings or strikes, are akin to military operations with their generals, captains, sergeants and, of course, foot soldiers. Organisations linked to the management or organisations that are proto-states are alone capable of running such operations."
The alternative they present is
"For all of us self-activity of wage-workers is of paramount importance. It is this area that we want to open out for discussion and debate.
As wage-workers we know that all of us, everyday and at everyplace, have to contend with oppressive and exploitative conditions around us. Individually and in small groups we take steps on our own. In small groups, we interact with each other 'not as unequals' ensuring the self-expression and self-activity of each one of us.
Confining ourselves to workplace experiences we can say that each one of us has an affinity group of half a dozen or so amongst whom all participate 'not as unequals'. In these affinity groups a lot of premeditation and co-ordination takes place. The activities of affinity groups span from mutual help to routine resistances against productivity and discipline, along with refusals and steps of change that question and challenge hierarchy, competition, money relations and wage slavery.
The problems as we see them are:
I. The importance of self-activity as reflected in these steps taken by affinity groups is denied. The steps by themselves are small and thus belittled. When they are talked about, they are derisively characterized as insignificant workplace skirmishes, or merely survival calisthenics.
II. Constant attempts are made by managements to suppress these self-activities through representation.
III. Wage-workers often do not give much importance to their self activity because of the invisibility of the social effects of the small steps engendered by their self-activities.
IV. There is a tremendous lack of linkages between affinity groups (which can only be horizontal and multi-nodal). This lack makes wage-workers vulnerable to getting coagulated into a mass whenever wider level issues are forced or arise. This coagulation if not created by representatives (which is ofttn the case), then in itself engenders representation.
V. More importantly, co-ordination between affinity groups is hampered by a lack of discussion on experiences of affinity groups.
Lest we be misunderstood, we would like to make it clear that we are not for small steps per se but our concern, rather, is for self-activity. Self-activity in terms of routine resistances, refusals and steps of change by wage-workers at large on a sustained, extended and expansive scale, encompassing a multifaceted global reality. "
The article concludes with an exploration of workers' activity at one shop that seems to point to a method of activity that maintains self-activity but extends it as well.
There are a number of points to question:
1. I'm not convinced that workplace actions are always against the working class' interest. Though they are probably right that in recent times the majority of such actions have met with some defeats, this isn't true in every instance. Moreover economic, violent, etc., transformations that they talk about aren't the only standards of interest. It may be that important shifts in social relations occur.
2. I'm not sure whether things that appear unifocal (like a strike) are unifocal. In the only strike I've been in the reality was far from unifocal. In fact these social networks and affinity groups continue throughout society. It is true that most often they are contained by institutional forces, but that isn't a priori, it is definately contextual. The point is taken though that in general organizing seeks to precipitate unity that can destroy informal work groups rather than strengthen or utilize them.
3. Self-activities itself is maybe a fuzzy category. I know in the instance of the last example they give, that they had a strong hand in helping precipitate those struggles. The workers chose a number of routes some of which included a maoist party and unions, but the FMS group also workers with the workers. I think it's fair to ask what constitutes self-activity and what not, and when the boundary becomes crucial. I know they would consider ultra-left political groupings and anarchosyndicalist unions as against self-activity so...
4. The last of the 'problems' they see seems crucial. IV that the linkages are weak- I am friendly to the suggestion that our organizing should take as its base and principle informal work groups or infinity groups. Still I have a hard time thinking of how these linkages would work out such that they could transcend the snares that the article lays out. In conversations I had with them, these friends avoided crafting a prefabricated model and also resisted the label anti-organizationalist. I am sympathetic to both such moves, but it seems like such a movement won't be spontaneous and thereby deserves some thought as to what it looks like and the possibility of such.
I hope this is relatively clear, typing-while-hungry is always a mistake.
From the ICC on KK, and other groups in India:
Setbacks for the IBRP in India
Another unfortunate adventure with those “disenchanted with the ICC” was with the group publishing Kamunist Kranti in India. This small nucleus emerged from a group of elements that the ICC had discussed with during the 1980s and some of whom had approached the ICC, becoming very close sympathisers or even joining our ranks. However, one of these elements, who we will call S, and who played an important role in the first discussions with the ICC, did not take that path. Probably afraid of losing his individuality in the event of being integrated into the ICC, he started his own group with the publication Kamunist Kranti.For its part the IBRP has experienced setbacks in India. For this organisation conditions in the countries of the periphery “make mass communist organisations possible” (Communist Review n°3), which obviously supposes that it is easier to create them there than in the central countries of capitalism. The IBRP found that its theses were not concretised in the form of groups rallying to its platform. Their disappointment was all the greater because, already at this time, despite its analyses being misrepresented as “Eurocentrist”, the ICC had a section in Venezuela, one of the peripheral countries. Obviously the abortive flirtation with the SUCM had only aggravated the IBRP’s bitterness. So, when the IBRP engaged in discussions with the Lal Pataka group in India they thought that they had at last hit the jackpot. Lal Pataka was a group of Maoist extraction which, like the SUCM, had not really broken from its origins despite the sympathies that it expressed for the positions of the communist left. Faced with the warnings of the ICC against this group (which ultimately was reduced to just one element), the IBRP responded “Some cynical spirits [meaning the spirits of the ICC] think that we have accepted this comrade into the IBRP too quickly”. For some time Lal Pataka was presented as the constituent part of the IBRP in India, but, in 1991, this name disappeared from the pages of the press of the IBRP to be replaced by that of Kamunist Kranti. The IBRP seemed to place a lot of weight on these “disenchanted with the ICC”: “We hope that in the future productive relations will be established between the International Bureau and Kamunist Kranti” but these hopes were soon dashed because, two years later, you could read in Communist Review n11: “It is a tragedy that, despite the existence of promising elements, there doesn’t yet exist a solid nucleus of Indian communists”. And indeed, Kamunist Kranti has since disappeared from circulation. There still exists a small communist nucleus in India, that publishes Communist Internationalist, but it is part of the ICC and the IBRP “forgets” to make any reference to it.
haha, the ICC and IBRP disagree whether there are 4 or 0 real communists out of the billion people in India.
In the early 1990's we were in contact with KK. They were moving in a libertarian direction, though clearly coming from a small "m" marxist direction. About 10 years later they were close to or heavily debating the ICC tendency.The KK seemed to be pretty activist oriented. Clearly they had folks engaged in theoretical discussions, but they had a practice of some significance(looking at it from afar) .
Thanks for the posting.
--mitch
So quick history: Members of the group Kamunist Kranti have a diverse background. Some are from tribal villages, some ex-students, etc. A nucleus met when during the second Emergency Period they joined Maoist guerillas. Quickly they were disillusioned and moved to Faridabad to their "preach and teach" stage as they call it (i.e. leninism). They put out a paper, but over the next decade (80s) they're perspective shifted because of their experiences organizing in the factories. It went from leninism to a more unique perspective. Presently they argue for going beyond marxism and anarchism, though they draw from numerous traditions, and have an ideology that is horizontalist, anti-state, and communist (though they reject those words in favor of language closer to common language). Essentially they have one shack in the slums that is a defacto workers center, and they acts as members of a community less than an overt group (as you can see from the article). Their paper basically contains conversations about work and decentralized resistance crafted from conversations when distributing it at the major points of transportation in the industrial district. They also help out when workers are struggling and do so outside the parties and unions. The example at the end of the text I think is a reference to workers at Michael Aram Exports shops which became an international campaign, I could be wrong though.
They aren't really activists or activist oriented though. Essentially their political experience was in the mountains, or working in this massive industrial slum of Faridabad. Activists in Delhi have a derogatory view of them, the left in the factories has assualted them and is hostile, and they don't see themselves as being a part of the activist milleu. The language they write in sounds all post-modern and activisty but I think that's because they haven't left Faridabad hardly in 30 years and their only interaction with english speakers is through similar texts and academic types showing up in their town (this is a slight overexaggeration).
I never knew the ICC IBRP thing. That suprises me. It makes some sense to me now though as in that period they were transitioning from leninism to left communism, and I imagine their hostility to the isolation/elitism,etc., of the ultra-left came out. Thinking of the ICC maybe their use of the term proto-states for the fringe left makes even more sense
I know who 'S' is their talking about, and I can imagine he had some principled reasons for staying out of that mire as I think this article shows.
However, one of these elements, who we will call S, and who played an important role in the first discussions with the ICC, did not take that path. Probably afraid of losing his individuality in the event of being integrated into the ICC, he started his own group...
Now, I would worry about that too if I were to be "integrated" into the ICC, but I think there might have been some political differences also.
haha, the ICC and IBRP disagree whether there are 4 or 0 real communists out of the billion people in India.
The ICC may get sucked into what I consider an exaggerated sense of its own importance at times. This shouldn't be allowed to obscure what is actually an important point though.
Is it important for revolutionary minorities to have discussions with comrades from other countries? Personally, I believe it is essential. It gives them the feeling that they are not alone, and can support them both practically, and politically.
We ourselves are a small group, and we started when myself and Yasimin met three younger comrades. We were old, and cynical. They were young, and enthusiastic. Their enthusiasm rubbed off on us, and I like to think that some of our experience rubbed off on them. Oh, we first got in touch via Libcom by the way.
So now we have an organisation, however small, in Turkey trying our best to involve ourselves in the class struggle.
Maybe, I could understand this better if the organisation that MJ is a part of, which I think is NEFAC, had thousands of workers in India. They don't.
In countries like India, or Turkey, both left communist, and anarchist ideas are virtually unknown. Yes, the Platformists have contacts in Turkey, AKİ. If you look at the development of this group, I am sure that when you first contacted them they were much smaller than they are now.
Large trees from little acorns grow. If you disagree with the politics, or the methodology of either the ICC, or the IBRP criticise it. That is a fair discussion. If not your comments about other groups trying to get in touch with comrades in other countries who have ideas close to theirs seem a bit pathetic.
Alternately you can just sit there waiting for masses of India workers to ring NEFAC.
Devrim
I always found that the KK comrades were very much interested in a higher level of theoretical discusson with us than I was personally capable of getting involved in. They very much seemed intersted in having comradely discussions with others outside of Fari. Always very much searching and bouncing off their ideas.
Bonechewy, are you saying the're no longer involved in "mass" activities? BTW, it sounds like you;ve been there, yes?
BTW, your comment about their "shack" of a workers center reminds me of the garment workers (NGWF) place in Dhaka. A comrade visted and made a similiar observation. I suspect it's like this throughout the globe.
totally agree with dev.
There is also an interesting article of loren goldner about india and kk.
Are people saying KK is still active? I have seen no sign of them for a long time.
I met S in 1985. At this time the ICC had been in touch with a number of elements in Faridabad and environs, including S. They had initially all been involved in the Faridabad Workers' Group, which had been moving away from trade unionism and leftism and towards our positions. By the time we sent out a delegation to meet the comrades, a split had occured between S and some of his followers, and the rest of the comrades. In our opinion this split was completely unclear and was largely influenced by personal issues, so we tried hard to bring about a common discussion between the two 'sides'. A joint meeting did take place but S remained hostile to any real debate. He was particularly opposed to the others' decision to form a political group, Communist Internationalist, on the grounds that it was not homogeneous. CI, on the other hand (and we agreed with this)thought that it was necessary to begin an 'external' political activity while still carrying on the process of discussion and clarification. We also thought that S had a somewhat elitist attitude to the other comrades, inherited from his years in leftism.
For a while S maintained that he was in agrement with ICC positions, even arguing that he was a purer follower of Luxemburg's theory of decadence than we were (I can't recall the argument he made) but his group soon evolved towards a mixture of workerism and modernism. We wrote an account of this in International Review no 45.
MJ wrote:
haha, the ICC and IBRP disagree whether there are 4 or 0 real communists out of the billion people in India.The ICC may get sucked into what I consider an exaggerated sense of its own importance at times. This shouldn't be allowed to obscure what is actually an important point though.
Is it important for revolutionary minorities to have discussions with comrades from other countries? Personally, I believe it is essential. It gives them the feeling that they are not alone, and can support them both practically, and politically.
We ourselves are a small group, and we started when myself and Yasimin met three younger comrades. We were old, and cynical. They were young, and enthusiastic. Their enthusiasm rubbed off on us, and I like to think that some of our experience rubbed off on them. Oh, we first got in touch via Libcom by the way.
So now we have an organisation, however small, in Turkey trying our best to involve ourselves in the class struggle.
Maybe, I could understand this better if the organisation that MJ is a part of, which I think is NEFAC, had thousands of workers in India. They don't.
In countries like India, or Turkey, both left communist, and anarchist ideas are virtually unknown. Yes, the Platformists have contacts in Turkey, AKİ. If you look at the development of this group, I am sure that when you first contacted them they were much smaller than they are now.
Large trees from little acorns grow. If you disagree with the politics, or the methodology of either the ICC, or the IBRP criticise it. That is a fair discussion. If not your comments about other groups trying to get in touch with comrades in other countries who have ideas close to theirs seem a bit pathetic.
Alternately you can just sit there waiting for masses of India workers to ring NEFAC.
Devrim
Well, India isn't in northeastern North America... and NEFAC isn't a mass organization either.
I think it's great to contact like minded people in other places, lend support and solidarity, and keep the perspective and the dialogue international(ist). All I was responding to was
Faced with the warnings of the ICC against this group (which ultimately was reduced to just one element), the IBRP responded “Some cynical spirits [meaning the spirits of the ICC] think that we have accepted this comrade into the IBRP too quickly”.
And indeed, Kamunist Kranti has since disappeared from circulation. There still exists a small communist nucleus in India, that publishes Communist Internationalist, but it is part of the ICC and the IBRP “forgets” to make any reference to it.
which reflects some pretty rigorous standards for what it takes to be classed as a "communist". So I was amused by their standards, not the fact that they aren't a mass organization. Sorry that didn't come through properly.
BTW, I agree with MJ on defining ones ability to be a "communist"--particularly a libertarian communist. I think you can find a balance between mergering of individual style with collectivism and vice versa.
I don't suspect that the ICC enforces the leninist form of so-called "democrtic centralism" on its members or in its tendency. Does it? I really am not that familiar with your internal forms. Someone can PM if they wish.
When was the last time anyone was in contact with KK? Is the publishers mentioned above the same folks who were part of KK? Or has KK totally disbanded?
Ok a few things
Yes, I met with them maybe 8 months ago.
They are still active in the factories, produce their paper, and assist in actions. They were there at the Gurgaon police riot (honda factory workers) and a variety of workers' struggles. I don't think their activity has changed much, more that I think they gave up on reaching out to the left mostly (though they maintain contacts with a number of groups). Unless you're there, read hindi, or write them it would be hard to witness this. Part of it is that they've wanted to move beyond the ideology and discourse of the traditional left. They no longer seek to call themselves marxist, communist, anarchist, whatever., and instead prefer to evolve their ideology out of concrete struggle and common language.
The split- I haven't been able to get much information about this since it's touchy, but I get them impression there were some personal issues and political things that caused the split. The second group went on to form an arts and urban space collective and no longer works on workplace issues.
Thanks Booeshewy for the update. Do you have an address for them? Or are they stillusing the POB? You can PM if you wish.
Not sure what this means:"instead prefer to evolve their ideology out of concrete struggle and common language."
Does it mean that they aren't rethorical in their propaganda? Do they simply try and blend the best radical traditions together and simply say we're radical workers (or something like that)? Anyway, what other insight would be of interest.
--mitch




In the early 1990's we were in contact with KK. They were moving in a libertarian direction, though clearly coming from a small "m" marxist direction. About 10 years later they were close to or heavily debating the ICC tendency.
The KK seemed to be pretty activist oriented. Clearly they had folks engaged in theoretical discussions, but they had a practice of some significance(looking at it from afar) .
Thanks for the posting.
--mitch