Genetic determinism, rich and poor

CHEMICALS in the brain. not amino acids.

this is ridiculous. how do you think people survived in faminines- co-operation. yes you're right. they survived coz they cooperated didn't they? this is so idealistic its verging on madness.

and cooperation is going to work in modern day society is it? those ideas were written a long time ago when cooperation could ahve been possible

yeah read the first bit, the selfish poor survived, and the selfish rich survived. it's just survival, a concept that is hard to notice unless you look into the mechanics of every situation such as famines, genocides, empires, capitalism

Yeah. That's why there are so many rich people around, breeding like crazy... oh, wait..

when the weak are put in certain situations-ie famine, the weaker won't survive unless they act selfish, if there is a family, those who perhaps put themselves first will survive over the others. they will live and breed, and their personlaity traits will be passed on.

this is what simultaneously happened with the rich, their personality traits have passed down

oh yes i know the theories you are talking of.

no not those, i am just thinking of how whole races of people have been wiped out in genocides

opening doors for someone is a little different to someone starving.

you can co-operate if you like. of course people would be doing for selfish reasons though.

you don't want to change their minds- why, so you must admit that they have bad minds? is this what uyou think ? so you think you deserve to live and they don't.

a) i'm not insulting anyone saying that we have a selfish side. I believe it to be true.
b) how can you change the minds of those at the 'top' with a magazine? these are the people who need to see what is happening in the world. it is naive to think they will be interested in it.

llok at the history of pamphleteers throughout europe. their ideas resonated throughout europe. but the capitalists won. 'good' people are slowly disappearing as the centuries have evolved. they died younger in the factories, their children died from diseases and could no longer breed.

the selfish rich watched them die, they got richer, they had children, etc etc

ps.
i understand capitalism perfectly well thank you. i have driven myself mad trying to find a job that is ethical and have avoided unethical companies.

a) i'm not insulting anyone saying that we have a selfish side. I believe it to be true.
b) how can you change the minds of those at the 'top' with a magazine? these are the people who need to see what is happening in the world. it is naive to think they will be interested in it.

llok at the history of pamphleteers throughout europe. their ideas resonated throughout europe. but the capitalists won. 'good' people are slowly disappearing as the centuries have evolved. they died younger in the factories, their children died from diseases and could no longer breed.

the selfish rich watched them die, they got richer, they had children, etc etc

Um, cheers for that, Quick point though if we have all have a selfish side, what makes you think that when you're 'at the top' (I'm sure we're all convinced you'll get there with ease and that you haven't at all missed the nature of stratified class society completely) you won't suddenly decide/realise that actually, it's not in your best interest to help scruffy class strugglers take over your lovely swish new house? Unless you think you're way better than all those vanguardists that came before you and wouldn't fall into such a trap of course?

yes, i have already mentioned the praiseworthy dedications of pamphleteers throughout europe- it came to nothing. orwell even joined them. 1984 filled me with fear.

i often try and convince people to be afraid of the government and surveillance, but i am usually followed by negative response. people only see what they want to see.

plus guy de bord- you might personally attack me, but i prefer people who argue with proper, educated arguements, rather than schoolground tactics.

are you just trying to shove you opinion on me? yes you're right i'm just a darwinish idiot, i haven't sytudies, the patterns of the british empire and how we wiped out entire nations etc. we were the selfish rich, they were totally wiped off, and their genes are gone forever.

just a comment regarding the claim that someone wouldn't accept money from 'rich kids' for a socialist cause? why not? to not accept money from rich kids is just fantasist. i'm not rich, in fact i'm poor, but even poor jobs ultimately help the system. everything i have protested against has never turned around, you can't make a difference working from the bottom. i am now changing tactics, there's no point trying to avoid certian jobs coz they are capitalist, if you don't take the job someone else will -that's a fact lets be realistic here. humans are selfish and we've evolved as a selfish race over thousands of years. some think we are good deep down, but the more i studey the psychoilogy of humans the more i realise that we have a selfish side.

i am beginning to believe that to fight the system you must do it from the top, these magazines won't change the minds of confiormist capitalists. they think we are mad. they can't see how mad they are. they think that scruffy trousers are like the weirdest thing ever etc. magazines only help lefties coz we're the only ones who will read it. these magazines will only send us into depression, and make us realise how futile this fight is.

This is of course pure bullshit. I spent some time in past few years making videos of old Bulgarian anarchists who were telling their life stories. Most of them passed through several prisons and concentration camps; tsarist, fascist and Stalinist. They had worst time in Stalinist camps, and majority of anarchists, hundreds of them who were detained, managed to survive soly because of the solidarity they showed to each other, sharing of the food, cover etc. On the other side, fascists and other reactionaries who were in camps, and who acted as the loony ein here is suggesting, died because they weren't capable of taking care of themselves.

This is what happens when ones ideology is coming from wishful thing, and not from the reality that surrounds us.

i like this, it makes we have a bit more hope for humanity.

it's difficult to know how humans react in thiese situations, their history was usually unrecorded.. my family never spoke about how they survived being poor, they were too embarassed, they survived by eating grass. you just never know what humans are capable of. myabe we aren't selfish in these situations i don't know.