Here's one primitivist's answer to the nuclear question

It is my personal belief that non-native Americans basically need to be "re-indigenized"—we need to become truly intimate & connected with the Land again if we are ever to learn how to live without making constant war on our Wild Relations. Once opened, these safe-havens can hopefully become a place where we non-native Americans can respectfully ask the Spirits of the Land to re-create us as authentic indigenous people once again. We can follow the lead of many American Indians who are re-connecting & re-viving their Old-Ways, but there is a lot more that we non-natives will have to do in the process, because the break with Balance is so much more severe. Respectfully ask for help from traditional American Indians (and give them back whatever kind of help they ask for--build allies) in this process, but ask for even more help from the Wild Life & Spirits of the Land where you live. Also, be cautious & sensitive to the risks of expropriation when relating to the cultures of American Indians--we want to get in touch with our own hearts enough to honestly re-create OUR OWN authentic Earth-based cultures, rather than stealing from Indigenous Peoples as civilization is already doing. Looking into the current revival of pre-Christian European pagan spirituality may be of help here for some of us, but certainly be careful around the use of agricultural ritual & magic. And again, the primary teachers need to come directly from the Land, not from books.

It will be diferent in diferent parts of the world. And a lot of powerful people will have there own agenda to stay powerful. It is the responsibility of those of us with a clue to see that that doesn't happen.

Kind of like the movie The Postman

Check out some of the old Mayan ruins. They were abandoned and the people went back to the primitive. Good example of what our cities can and will look like

A hunter / gatherer can walk throu an abandoned city and grab cans of soup from someones abandoned pantry.

would any of you consider an urban area post civilization wilderness? i would. it seems so poetic to me to picture an overgrown feral city. a whole different type of wild. instead of gathering you would scavenge, and instead of hunt you would loot.

sorta like 28 days later without the hollywood zombies.

..I'd say that I learn a lot in the process of practicing the skills that deepens my feeling of self-reliance and my intimacy with the natural world...and because I find a lot of joy in the process of this discovery. Calling Fire with the bowdrill is a fine example--aside from the possibility that my lighter could get lost or break--the magic of friction fire-making both humbles me and empowers me on a deep level that I just dont experience when using a match or a lighter. A friction fire is a sacred, wild creature who has gifted himself to me and demands my respect ("asking" is a major part of the skill) wheras a lighter-made fire is on-demand and forced into existence through industrial means. Maybe this reason is a bit froo-froo from a utilitarian perspective, but nonetheless I'd say I've learned some potent spiritual truths from the bow-drill (that apply to how I approach nature in other areas).

Ultimately though, it comes down to the desire of one's heart--if making a friction fire is a utilitarian chore, then definitely go with the lighter. On the other hand, if friction fire-making touches something deep inside you & you enjoy the process then go with it. The use of primitive skills should not fall under Bob Black's definition of "work", so follow your heart--however it calls you to start fires.

Primitive man also had natural selection on his side when it comes to handicaps and such; people with handicaps was less likely to survive and reproduce, and this kept many of the "bad" genes away from corrupting future generations. In our highly politically correct modern society, it's quite the opposite. It seems that we're doing just about everything we possibly can to work against this kind of "natural eugenics program" which keeps our gene pool clean. Thanks to the hospitals and their medicines and treatments, more and more crippling genes are accumulated in our species by every generation, and so are the handicaps, the dependencies and the misery that they cause. I know that I'm heading out on deep waters now by starting to sound like a Nazi or whatever, but this is a serious matter which I think should not be overlooked just because of political correctness, naziphobia or whatever. We've had enough of that ignorance from lefties already.

would any of you consider an urban area post civilization wilderness? i would. it seems so poetic to me to picture an overgrown feral city. a whole different type of wild. instead of gathering you would scavenge, and instead of hunt you would loot.

sorta like 28 days later without the hollywood zombies.

hello, moderators? can y'all keep this thread on topic? revol68, you really should have started another thread for your off topic commentary. every time i come here to see discussion about nuclear waste, all i see is discussion about how dumb primitivists are. let's try to stay on topic, okay, people?

why are y'all still off topic? what is with this inane silliness? why are my politics so threatening that you delude yourself into believing you've whooped my ass? answer the criticisms or i lose? this isn't a game, people. this may be the internet and your pastime, but i have all the time in the world; and i find it really lame that all you want to do is score little points for every little post/thread. cool, but please, start a new thread unless you have a new point about nuclear waste.

(since you asked)

stilllooney wrote:

nuke waste

Use whats sitll in the reactors for power to make things that will be needed in a post civ primitive society. The rest will need to be buried very deep (up to a mile it is said) in stable ground. Very dangerous process. One last task for the scientists/military.

(since you asked)

stilllooney wrote:

nuke waste

Use whats sitll in the reactors for power to make things that will be needed in a post civ primitive society. The rest will need to be buried very deep (up to a mile it is said) in stable ground. Very dangerous process. One last task for the scientists/military.