How would this be dealt with in libertarian com society?

Well, bestiality implies non-consent from the animal involved. Zoophilia, on the other hand...

I just plum don't see how society has any right to interfere in people's private sex lives, assuming people's private sex lives are mutually consentual. It's the same principle as society not having anything to do with what people eat for breakfast, assuming people aren't hacking other people to death and then spreading them on toast (or any other breakfast related potentiality that involves harming others).

There is no "profit" to it other than that two consenting parties get to do what they want. If that creeps other people out, then that's their problem.

Again, I very much doubt you'd find kids younger than the current starting age of sexual activity (about 11, and then in a minority) who actually would want to have sex - so if they were forced into it, people would have to act according to whatever the rules for rape were, applied obviously to the individual situation. (What's more, peadophillic attacks are quite a rarity - the chances of it happening now, let alone in a healthier society, are almost nill). But, you're just gonna have to accept that very, very early in puberty, and even often in pre-pubescence, kids have sex, often with people older than them. It's part of their life and will end up shaping who they are.

I remember a friend of mine's 16th birthday, she pointed out that she could buy cigarettes and have sex - she'd been doing both since she was about 11, and had even had a baby a year before. The idea that we can stop people having sex is stupid, and I can't understand why the idea that we should is being considered by anarchists.

Cos older people using their authority and influence to fuck children fucks people up for life you fucking twat.

What are you talking about? There are at least 50,000-odd convicted paedos in the UK, mostly family members/close friends. Yeah the predatory paedos are mostly a media invention but so what - are you gonna defend incest as well?

Dolphins, on the other hand - they love the cock.

If they fucking use their fucking authority and fucking influence to fucking force a fucking kid into fucking fucking then that's rape, isn't it, which i've already fucking mentioned is fucking wrong, fuck fuck fuck.

that's what i was referring to, i guess i didnt make it clear.

well if it's mutually consentual...

y'know dolphins can pick up buckets with their cocks?

ah, but you see they were misunderstood, or simply victims of an unjust legal system...

yeah right

Hi

“Roeing”. What would you call extracting chicken’s eggs? Milking? Only joking.

Anti-working class position. If its wrong to sex up moo cows then it must be wrong to sexually engage children. I’m amazed John. hasn’t sent you packing.

Or do you think a moo cow could consent to sex with a human? A dolphin maybe?

Cheers

LR

Heaven forbid! I should be purged!

Maybe it's because this is an anarchist forum?

It's quite well known that dolphins very frequently attempt to initiate sex with humans. Make of that what you will.

No, I agree completely. I just don't see suppression of debate as a particularly libertarian instinct. As far as I'm aware, I haven't been offensive, inconsistent or trollish, so I don't see any fair grounds for me being exiled.

I just think that pre-pubescent sexuality is an interesting topic, as is discussion about the abilities of children to think rationally - that doesn't mean that I believe completely what I'm saying or that I haven't changed my views since starting this conversation. I'll drop it, if you want, but to be fair you did pretty much ask for this debate when you started the thread.

Anyway, I have to go toss off a dolphin at a school, now.

You are Che Guevara, and I claim my £5.

w-w-wha?

http://libcom.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5119

see JDMF is suffering from something a disorder that means he can't take a fucking shit without trying to understand it within an anarchist framework, hence even his diet has to be tied into the communism project.

ah, stop your whining.

It's just this continual need people have to think of ever little fucking thing and personal decision within some sort of anarchist framework.

Anarchism is not a fucking lifestyle guide!

Stop trying to defend the bourgeois division between the personal and the political spheres

no you see sometimes the personal is just fucking personal.

stop trying to recreate authoritarian master narratvies, modernist fuck!

i agree, but he blatantly wasnt doing that on his thread

http://www.restorativejustice.org

http://www.extern.org/restorative

http://home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/scpgt/scapegoat_text.htm

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"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."

-- Fyodor Dostoevsky

"Even though we will rejoice over each real improvement that is made to penal law and the penal system - our aim is wider: we ask for radical transformation, not partial changes; we see another principle appear on the horizon: that of a new era, of a brotherly humanity, which will break the principle of punishment."

-- Clara Wichman, Dutch anarcho-pacifist

there's no such thing as an anarcho-pacifist, pacifism is fundamentally opposed to building a libertarian society

why?

ahh i get it, your an anonco pacifist, you wanna be left in peace to fuck the kids.

Yep, that's precisely why. It's amazing that from the tiny word, "why?", you managed to work out all of that about me! You truly are a genius of god-like abilities.

I think pedophilia is a psychological illness. But I don't think one can divorce psychology from sociology. The mental illnesses people suffer from are linked to the conditions of their existence.

Two good examples: There is almost no anorexia among Africans. Anorexia rates in the U.S are extremely low among Blacks and Latinos. African-American and Latino-American cultures value curvy women, so being very thin isn't a common aspiration. Another example would be someone with an extreme fear of germs (I think it's called verminophobia). Before mankind discovered the existence of germs nobody suffered form that ailment.

Pedophilia is about control and power. It is obviously a reflection of a society in which millions of people are powerless and are controlled in their daily lives. In a real communist society I don't think there would be any pedophiles.

Well after a hundred years or so of commmunism that'd maybe be the case yes, but not immediately tho.