Hunting banned! Class war, coming soon, to a town near you..

im sorry but who really cares about fox hunting? its hardly of pressing concern is it? not exactly an issue likely to set the working class alight?? seems to be a nice wee distraction thrown to the left in order to take their minds of more important concerns such as Pfi, cutting/rationalisation of public services and the various wars around the globe.

really its perfect we can pretend its a class issue because a load of toffs head it up, that way we fail to notice that the real ruling class are cutting wages and labour rights all over the shop whilst we chase after some fucking aristo's who are hardly the fucking vanguard of capital!

yes but u put class in quotations

and really but if u think about it the amount of fucking fucked up stufff in the world and the governement decideds fox hunting is a a real worry?? seems slightly strange to me, i mean the fact that all these mp's can be so unwavering on an issue like fox hunting but when it comes to voting on a war or tution fees they all collapse like the spineless careerist scum they are!

lots of things appear simple to those with simple minds.

The clear tactic should be to Citizens Arrest the hunters on February 18th - remember ' reasonable force allowed'! Blair's cock-up gives us a top opportunity to bring class warfare to the streets again in the run up to the general election. Only this time we can arrest the fuckers! Prizes for most arrests. Toodle Pip.

exactly - how many foxes are killed by hunting? A few score, a few hundred?

And if you're an animal liberationist how does that even compare to the tens of millions killed for food?

And as for meat-eaters who get all sanctimonious about hunting, I think it's hypocrisy to, er, a really big degree.

well i see that interest in italian autonomia has pulled one off for u again

have u faced the class enemy face to face?? i suppouse it was a cop or perhaps even a teacher u fucking muppet. Im sorry but may i repeat fox hunters are not the cutting edge of capital. Another issue with the fox hunting ban is that jobs will be lost but since they arent trendy worker jobs like miners they don't matter, and onc again may i suggest that capital has never been threatened by someone throwing a toff off a fuckinh horse.

Still great fun watching the toffs and cops fighting tho....

I wouldnt just walk past if i saw some annoying rich looking pro hunt people wandering around in London... i dont think its something to make a big thing out of, but if they are putting themselves in the firing line might as well through some shit in their direction...

Calm it down a bit you two

No, don't...this is far too entertaining watching one guy goad and the other hysterically throw insults at his/her PC screen.

Where DO you come up with such genius?

Right, first off, simple fucking etiquette. Be nice children. What the fuck is going on? I go away for a second and come back to find the children bickering in the playground! If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all. I'm being dead serious.

As for foxhunting, I wouldn't say that it was central to class struggle but then neither is supporting asylum seekers or anti-fascism and I think both of those are really worthwhile. Personally, I'm not so moved by foxhunting as to go out sabbing but I've got a lot of respect for those who do. Are you saying that unless we're involved in workplace or community politics then we're not doing anything worthwhile? They might not be what eventually brings down capitalism (only a self-active working class movement deeply rooted in workplace and community can do that) but they're still worth doing surely?

Why? Firstly, if hunting is a class issue then it is of interest to class struggle anarchists regardless of dietry preference (this doesn't mean we should all prioritise it tho). Secondly, there is a difference between being against foxhunting (which essentially is a way of killing an animal in a slow and painful way - revol's cat-torturing reference is a good one) and being against eating animals. You know that. Just coz you like to eat meat doesn't mean you like to torture animals. There is a difference. Also, eating meat doesn't mean support for the meat industry before you start

Also, revol, I don't know loads about the job aspect of this (don't know loads about most of it tbh) but from what I've read, all the places that used to do foxhunting that stopped and changed to other stuff like say, horse riding, rambling etc actually created more jobs than foxhunting. Also, the fact that you're a city boy saying that foxhunting is irrelevant is also an issue. Like the man GT said, people in the country generally hate the Countryside Alliance coz foxhunting drives up house prices, stops them walking where they want etc. Lastly, I'd say the fact that there are working class people who DO support the CA is an issue for socialists coz that's our class, supporting the ruling class i.e. the class we are not. We can't be having that surely!!

Anyway, all our politics are so similar that this is actually a molehill, turned into a mountain, by tiny midget people. Remember people, workers of the world unite (regardless of position on foxhunting!)

PS 3rd, I like you and all. It was cool being in the AYN with you, but your politics are shite

Ed are u joking??? anti facism and supporting asylum seekers are not central to class struggle?? It is obvious that the fight against fascism necessitates a class response, fascists seek to push corporatism, that the bosses and workers must put aside their differences for the good of the nation, its violent nationalism weakens the working class worldwide. Anti Fascism is a fucking class struggle neccessity, even when it is not a major movement its supporters spread fear and hatred within working class communities.

Support for aslyum seekers is integral to libertarian communism, saying as it is based on proletarian internationalism and rejects borders and nations. People fleeing persecution and poverty are victims of the class system! Not to mention how anti immigration sentiment is hyped up to scapegoat them for the underfunding of public services! In terms of actual wage labour, aslyum seekers make up one of the most exploited sectors of the labour market and this is not only a problem for asylum seekers but also depresses wages and conditions for all workers.

A government backed banning of fox hunting might be nice in terms of saying "fuck off to rich fucks playing cruel sports!" but lets remember that this is a cross class issue, one section of the ruling class is stopping a rather marginal section of the old landed ruling class from fox hunting, it will never threaten the actual productive relations in the countryside and will have no effect on the working class's empowerment! Instead it acts as a fig leaf to cover the Labour Parties vicious anti working class programme, its racist immigration policies and its militarism. Tony and co are quite happy to see us get all worked up over a few red coated toffs (in fact im sure many in the government personally hate them) on horses chasing after, admittedly, cute foxes.

To be honest im not against the ban i just feel that claiming that it is complimentary to the class struggle is just daft, gangsters class war on the streets post was hyperbolic nonsense! the real class struggle isn't about people with plummy voices or their cider drinking pseudo serfs coming to the city to protest a ban on their hunting, its waking up everyday and having to go spend 8 hours doing shit for shits to make other shits richer, or going down to collect ur £44 the govt see as adequate for ur existance, its about not having time to play with ur kids as much as ud like, its about the atomised communities we live in.

I know that where I live, opposing hunting is sort of like political suicide. It is really popular with a lot of working class people and only the animal rights kids really oppose it. I don't hunt and am against killing animals, but I don't really see opposing hunting as an effective strategy for class war. Now, foxhunting is done by the rich right? So it seems like in that case it could be a good way to rally people around the capitalists out hunting foxes while they are working, but only if the effort is not headed up by a bunch of greens and hippies.

why has thise even turned into an arguement??no fox hunting isn't the corner stone of capiltilism and its fall won't insure tjhe end of the ruling class blahblahlalala i swear people disagree on these boards just for the sake of a lame ten minuteh arguement.

fox hunting = bad.class struggle = good. fox hunting and class struggle = two different things but not completely irrelevent to one anothoer because both things disagree with upperclass wankers havingg their own way there we go i win well done to shoes she's so cool.

am i drunk??why yes i am