Is it vanguardist?
Jun 14 2004 10:58
Jun 14 2004 11:46
oh right, i just wondered. Ill read up some stuff Bonano wrote.
Jun 14 2004 11:52
i think that's possibly partly to do with the translation from italian, although i've seen bits of english language attempts at insurrectionary anarchism (isn't venomous butterfly or killing king abacus or one of those insurrectionist?), and mostly it seemed like nonsensical gibberish, not even arguements for me to agree or disagree with. but then barricada also originally said it had insurrectionists in their collective, in which case insurrectionary anarchists are ones who love riot porn!
from what i remember, it has something to do with trying to push every incident where events get out of the control of the ruling class and their minions such as a riot into a full scale insurrection, and tends to be against long term (i.e. more than for that action) and formal organisation. i think. i could be completely wrong. i need to read that from riot to insurrection pamphlet thing again. insurrectionary anarchism is quite popular in southern europe (namely italy, spain and greece) and almost non-existent anywhere else (at leats in meaningful, practical and active form, which is the only sort that counts with insurrectionary anarchism i'd have thought). in greece at least, it also seems to attract nihilists who shit in the showers and have a vendetta against traffic lights... alfredo bonanno was recently sent down for six years along with several other italian anarchists:
Quote:
charges were belonging to an armed band, subversive organization, robberies, and other crimes considered bound to terroristic aims. The anarchists were accused of belonging to a fictional armed anarchist organization, but almost all were aquitted of "subversive association", and 13 were sentenced for "common crimes."
so if you like, you can write to him to show your support, and ask him what insurrectionary anarchism actually is: Alfredo Maria Bonanno, Via Papiniano 1, 34133 Trieste, Italy
Jun 14 2004 12:06
when i get my writing arm working again i will.
Jun 14 2004 14:40
Yes you could read Bonanno, but i'd also suggest reading 'At Daggers Drawn' and Killing King Abacus, Willfull Disobedience etc. Do Or Die #10 has a bood intor to insurrectionist ideas also.
You can get most of that stuff online here;
Or in hardcopy format from Active Distribution or re-pressed.
Jun 14 2004 21:37
thanks, ill have a good read.
Jun 15 2004 11:46
alexa wrote:
Alfredo Bonano is one of the main theorists... I can't understand what he's talking about most of the time though
Who cares what hes saying - it sounds good.... I just read Armed Joy and it sounds good although it doesnt seem to really go anywhere 
Jun 15 2004 14:51
Style over content, rkn?
Lifestylist!
Jun 18 2004 18:17
pingtiao wrote:
Style over content, rkn?
Yup! Kinda like this site 
Jun 21 2004 19:04
Insurrectionary Anarchist site in Canada well worth looking at especially since they are holding up a Class War banner in one of there photo shots.
http://www.geocities.com/insrrectionary_anarchists/
Jun 22 2004 09:47
Carl wrote:
Insurrectionary Anarchist site in Canada well worth looking at especially since they are holding up a Class War banner in one of there photo shots.http://www.geocities.com/insrrectionary_anarchists/
Do you mean,
Jul 11 2004 14:42
Quote:
Who cares what hes saying - it sounds good....
No, Rachmaninov's second piano concerto sounds good, Bonanno built a dodgy theory that does not take seriously the transition to a post-capitalist economy and is partially responsible for certain substitutionist and impractical tendencies within anarchism in Europe and the US. If you look at some of his early writing you can see that his theory is born from the defeat of the social struggles in Italy. Having abandoned hope of social revolution driven by the autonomously organised mass working class he looks for an alternative revolutionary agent and comes up with the 'irrational riot'. In the early 80s he was especially interested in the urban riots in the UK. He contrasts these 'irrational' riots with traditional uprisings for clear objectives. This is historically incredible as well as being a patronising misconception of the motivations for urban unrest, that may display a degree of racism on his part (there go the darkies throwing stones just for the hell of it). Since these ideas are at the foundation of his theory, and his theory is shite anyway, he's not worth much as a theorist. However, folk should support him in jail, send him something decent to read. He could try the situationists who, for all their faults, recognised the political significance of urban riots that had been ignored by most Marxists, but did so in the context of a class analysis.
Quote:
in greece at least, it also seems to attract nihilists who shit in the showers and have a vendetta against traffic lights
Yes Greek insurrectionists are a fucking law unto themselves and a danger to bus shelters everywhere. Imagine teenage punks who don't like tidying their bedrooms, only grown up and armed with a range of explosives.
Jul 12 2004 03:28
as usual an excellent post comrade,
and may i add havin seen the damage italian insurrectionists did to bus shelters one must conclude that this is an international aspect.
anyway sure as someone once said on Father Ted, " I hate the feckin greeks, father, they invented gayness!"
Jul 12 2004 10:40
http://www.insurgentdesire.org.uk/revolution.htm this is quite an interesting article called revolution and/or insurextion it does kinda sound like people who have given up on the possibility of mass uprisings or have just lost the patients for waiting for it
Jul 16 2004 19:21
ill have a good read when i get back.
Sep 19 2007 23:19
We discussed some points about insurrectionism recently a few questions if I may.
Why does Greece, Italy et al maintain this kind of political tradition, why hasnt it be phased out through repression?
Has the struggles waged by insurrectionists had any wider impact?
What are the demographics of insurrectionists?
Thats all for now
Sep 25 2007 15:14
Well, if you want to know what insurrectionist anarchists think, you could always ask them on a forum where they actually hang out. Go here: www.anti-politics.net
It also has most of the known insurrectionists journals and theorymagazines in the western world on that website.
Sep 27 2007 14:04
And to answer the original question: no, it is not any more vanguardist than any other anarchist current.
(Ok, i realise that the thread was started years ago, but oh well.....)
Dec 14 2011 19:15
I read somewhere that insurrectionists and AK had actually been fighting each other over in Greece.
Quote:
In the 2008 Greek riots the old disputes between organizationalist and insurrectionary anarchists reappeared when there was a conflict "between insurrectionary anarchists associated with the Black Bloc, and the heavily organized Antiauthoritarian Movement (AK, in Greek)...the schism between insurrectionists and the Antiauthoritarian Movement has even led to physical fighting...People with AK bullied and beat up anarchists whom they suspected of stealing some computers from the university during an event AK organized, getting them in trouble. In response, some insurrectionists burned down the Antiauthoritarian Movement's offices in Thessaloniki."
Damn, Anarchists fighting each other? I can understand Ancaps fighting with all other anarchists, but that is ridiculous.
I agree with the informal nature of insurrectionary Anarchism. Organization is critical such as community congresses where people make decisions and since they are 'community' congresses they are bound to be somewhat informal. And sometimes extreme times call for extreme measures. A black bloc at some of the more violent OWS evictions might have been handy.
Dec 17 2011 07:46
This actually happened before 2008, and not in the context of the insurrection.
Dec 17 2011 08:42
Ambrose wrote:
I read somewhere that insurrectionists and AK had actually been fighting each other over in Greece.Quote:
In the 2008 Greek riots the old disputes between organizationalist and insurrectionary anarchists reappeared when there was a conflict "between insurrectionary anarchists associated with the Black Bloc, and the heavily organized Antiauthoritarian Movement (AK, in Greek)...the schism between insurrectionists and the Antiauthoritarian Movement has even led to physical fighting...People with AK bullied and beat up anarchists whom they suspected of stealing some computers from the university during an event AK organized, getting them in trouble. In response, some insurrectionists burned down the Antiauthoritarian Movement's offices in Thessaloniki."Damn, Anarchists fighting each other? I can understand Ancaps fighting with all other anarchists, but that is ridiculous.
I agree with the informal nature of insurrectionary Anarchism. Organization is critical such as community congresses where people make decisions and since they are 'community' congresses they are bound to be somewhat informal. And sometimes extreme times call for extreme measures. A black bloc at some of the more violent OWS evictions might have been handy.
I'm sure there is a lot more context than we are aware of here and I'll bet some of it isn't even political differences (personal feuds etc, etc).
Mar 27 2013 07:31
Found an interesting pamphlet called Burning the Cassette. It is Insurrectionist and has given quite a bit of insight on Insurrectionary Anarchist ideology.
Can comment on articles and discussions
Er, no.
All revolutionary anarchism is by definition insurrectionist. But some people have taken it and labelled a specific strain of anarchism. Alfredo Bonano is one of the main theorists... I can't understand what he's talking about most of the time though