Kevin Keating

Devrim wrote:

Revol, what are you arguing for?

Because I've temp banned him before, for not entirely dissimilar behaviour, and he doesn't like it.

Like I said Joe Black calling people big nation nationalists with no explanation and a whole undercurrent of innuendo is more insulting that him calling me a ranting lil prick, but we both know which one is getting removed.

And big nation nationalists, despite being vacuous, and wrong, at least has some political content. It also serves only to make him look stupid. Calling you a ranting little prick is just gratuitous abuse whether it's right or wrong.

I'm all for sarcasm and innuendo where used properly, it's the endless back and forth of complete bollocks (actually descending to "your mum" on some threads) that's the main issue, IMO anyway.

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And big nation nationalists, despite being vacuous, and wrong, at least has some political content. It also serves only to make him look stupid. Calling you a ranting little prick is just gratuitous abuse whether it's right or wrong.

yes but atleast something like ranting lil prick is honest, the big nation nationalist thing is underhand and pisses people off more, increasing the chances of the other person just insulting back, it's a more insidious and to my mind disruptive form of flaming.

tbh that pisses me off as well, though i think the worst offenders for this are some of the NEFACers and their mates rise, chuckles hendriks and thugarist, they really don't even pretend to engage in political discussion anymore.

There is still a question, Revol:

Devrim wrote:

The question is this; Do you rant on like this knowing that it alienates people from our politics, not caring because they are 'old, or 'repressed', or some other such nonsense, or are you genuinally unaware of it?

Devrim

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

I rant on like this because it's how i express myself, if other pople have a problem with it, I couldn't really care, i do wonder about people who are suppoused to see themselves as revolutionaries getting so upset by some swear words, infact i think it's pathetic.

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

No, he's outside our region.

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

No, he's outside our region.

and if he wasn't?

surely NEFAC don't allow in union full timers!

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

No, he's outside our region.

and if he wasn't?

surely NEFAC don't allow in union full timers!

As long as he ain't a boss with hiring/firing power, yeah. Why not?

Does Organise! have a meticulous list of how the myriad of employment opportunities in the world effects one's standing in the group?

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

No, he's outside our region.

and if he wasn't?

surely NEFAC don't allow in union full timers!

As long as he ain't a boss with hiring/firing power, yeah. Why not?

Does Organise! have a meticulous list of how the myriad of employment opportunities in the world effects one's standing in the group?

Organise! members can't take a role in the union's higher than that of shop steward and i always assumed NEFAC were opposed to members taking full time, unelected, paid roles in the union apparatus.

was I wrong?

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

No, he's outside our region.

and if he wasn't?

surely NEFAC don't allow in union full timers!

As long as he ain't a boss with hiring/firing power, yeah. Why not?

Does Organise! have a meticulous list of how the myriad of employment opportunities in the world effects one's standing in the group?

Organise! members can't take a role in the union's higher than that of shop steward and i always assumed NEFAC were opposed to members taking full time, unelected, paid roles in the union apparatus.

was I wrong?

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

No, he's outside our region.

and if he wasn't?

surely NEFAC don't allow in union full timers!

As long as he ain't a boss with hiring/firing power, yeah. Why not?

Does Organise! have a meticulous list of how the myriad of employment opportunities in the world effects one's standing in the group?

Organise! members can't take a role in the union's higher than that of shop steward and i always assumed NEFAC were opposed to members taking full time, unelected, paid roles in the union apparatus.

was I wrong?

Really? Before all the denunciations over our "leftist-tailgating" and "nationalism" I thought it was the fact that we had people close to us (or in a few cases, members) who were paid union officials (organizers, researchers, etc.) that seemed to be most objectionable thing about our group to the ultra-lefties and anarcho-syndicalists. I personally don't care that much. I would be opposed to any of our members using positions above shop steward to further any of our group's political objectives, but so far anyone from our group who's held a paid union position has, as far as I can tell, always separated their employed work from their political work.

no cops or soldiers.

you miss the fundamental point here though, the reason there is a specific point about union positions is because of the role these have in mediating workers struggles not to mention the union ladder representing one of the best ways of recuperating workplace militants. This isn't some dry therotical purism it's based on years of experiance, even my da whose far from an ultra leftist knows that one of the best strategies both the bosses and union lackeys had for dealing with bolshie workers was to offer them promotions off the shop floor, whether into real management or the union bureacracy. If NEFAC are serious about wanting to see grassroots autonomous industrial organising they'd do well to remember that.

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

No, he's outside our region.

and if he wasn't?

surely NEFAC don't allow in union full timers!

As long as he ain't a boss with hiring/firing power, yeah. Why not?

Does Organise! have a meticulous list of how the myriad of employment opportunities in the world effects one's standing in the group?

Organise! members can't take a role in the union's higher than that of shop steward and i always assumed NEFAC were opposed to members taking full time, unelected, paid roles in the union apparatus.

was I wrong?

Really? Before all the denunciations over our "leftist-tailgating" and "nationalism" I thought it was the fact that we had people close to us (or in a few cases, members) who were paid union officials (organizers, researchers, etc.) that seemed to be most objectionable thing about our group to the ultra-lefties and anarcho-syndicalists. I personally don't care that much. I would be opposed to any of our members using positions above shop steward to further any of our group's political objectives, but so far anyone from our group who's held a paid union position has, as far as I can tell, always separated their employed work from their political work.

no I assumed that some people left NEFAC to become union hacks, I assumed that's why thugarist wasn't in NEFAC but just a supporter.

thanks for telling me about your union full timer members, youse can just push your remaining principles back through the letter box when youse are ready.

seriously I can't believe this shit.

revol68 wrote:

no cops or soldiers.

We don't take bosses or prison guards either. I'd be reluctant to take active soldiers, but considering the role radicalized soldiers have played in the past I think that might be a mistake.

revol68 wrote:

you miss the fundamental point here though, the reason there is a specific point about union positions is because of the role these have in mediating workers struggles not to mention the union ladder representing one of the best ways of recuperating workplace militants. This isn't some dry therotical purism it's based on years of experiance, even my da whose far from an ultra leftist knows that one of the best strategies both the bosses and union lackeys had for dealing with bolshie workers was to offer them promotions off the shop floor, whether into real management or the union bureacracy. If NEFAC are serious about wanting to see grassroots autonomous industrial organising they'd do well to remember that.

I dunno, I think its different here. Most people who take these jobs (at least most of the ones I know), don't exactly get picked from shop floor. Its more like an NGO-activist job, and a majority of people filling these positions, as far as I can tell, are middle class university graduates. Not exactly recuperated workplace militants. For someone like Thugarchist (who is from a working class background and may have gone from shop floor militant to organizer, I'm not sure) I think its a question of where they think they feel they can contribute the most towards building class confidence and winning short-term gains (in low point periods of class struggle) and still eat/pay rent. Perhaps if there was a wave of radical independent shopfloor militancy that swept across the industry he organizes within maybe he'd rethink his career. Who knows. I am sure he can answer better for himself.

I think its a question of where they think they feel they can contribute the most towards building class confidence and winning short-term gains (in low point periods of class struggle) and still eat/pay rent.

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

MJ wrote:

revol68 wrote:

Smash Rich Bastards wrote:

Mike Harman wrote:

bump what?

Unless your prepared to link to posts where he's done something bannable, don't just post bumps. He's not the only person who's going to have multiple posts deleted from the culture thread.

Eh? Oh, I figured that this thread might act as a magnet to take the Kevin Keating banter off that other one. But deleting posts and banning him works too.

p.s. Chuck Hendricks is not in NEFAC. Most of us hate him too.

Is thugarist an official supporter?

Yes.

Do youse only have this supporters status in order to take money from people youse would be embarrassed to have in the group?

If so, fair fucks.

No, he's outside our region.

and if he wasn't?

surely NEFAC don't allow in union full timers!

As long as he ain't a boss with hiring/firing power, yeah. Why not?

Does Organise! have a meticulous list of how the myriad of employment opportunities in the world effects one's standing in the group?

Organise! members can't take a role in the union's higher than that of shop steward and i always assumed NEFAC were opposed to members taking full time, unelected, paid roles in the union apparatus.

was I wrong?

Really? Before all the denunciations over our "leftist-tailgating" and "nationalism" I thought it was the fact that we had people close to us (or in a few cases, members) who were paid union officials (organizers, researchers, etc.) that seemed to be most objectionable thing about our group to the ultra-lefties and anarcho-syndicalists. I personally don't care that much. I would be opposed to any of our members using positions above shop steward to further any of our group's political objectives, but so far anyone from our group who's held a paid union position has, as far as I can tell, always separated their employed work from their political work.

no I assumed that some people left NEFAC to become union hacks, I assumed that's why thugarist wasn't in NEFAC but just a supporter.

thanks for telling me about your union full timer members, youse can just push your remaining principles back through the letter box when youse are ready.

seriously I can't believe this shit.

Did you really need another reason to hate us?

p.s. For the record, I think we have one member who is union organizer. Plus a couple paid community organizers.

Tlaking of recuperated bollox, is anyone watching LiveEarth?

Wayne Price might talk some shite but atleast he isn't in the pay of the union bureacracy!

Exactly what theoretical or tactical unity do youse have in NEFAC?

revol68 wrote:

Wayne Price might talk some shite but atleast he isn't in the pay of the union bureacracy!

Exactly what theoretical or tactical unity do youse have in NEFAC?

The seems to be solid uniformity in how we all feel about you. That's a start, isn't it?

for the record Kevin Keating's been banned