Love of culture versus patriotism
Oct 20 2004 04:20
Can you love the culture of a country, or a region, and not be a patriot? I would say so. I love the culture of Britain and my home region of Suffolk in particular, but it definately doesent mean i salute the flag everytime i see it or run down to the army recruiting office when theres even the slightest threat to national security.
So can you love a culture and not be a patriot?
Oct 20 2004 08:55
#2
Augusto_Sandino wrote:
So can you love a culture and not be a patriot?
YES
Oct 20 2004 23:19
#3
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anyway i like pasta
ah ha! the truth finally comes out! first the rumours were that you were guy debords rejected lover, then we were diverted with accusations of unionism, most recently it was obviously false allegations of trotskyism, but now, from this admission, we know that you are in fact a member of FORZA ITALIA here to disrupt our lovely tolerant fluffy non-supermarket shopping, tree dwelling anarchist online community as it is the only remaining threat to silvio berlusconi's evil scheme for world domination and the final resurgence of the roman empire!
ALL IS EXPLAINED!!?!?!!!?!?!??!
(PS: i fancy chiaki kuriyama, does this make me a japanese patriot? and if so, can i join a yakuza clan?)
Oct 20 2004 23:58
#4
Vaguely relevant thread in Scotland section that deserves more general release:
Oct 21 2004 00:13
#5
I see you been trolling over there too now 
Oct 21 2004 00:35
#6
yeah his posts there were really trolling.. i mean its not like he showed a level of sophistication and critique that made scottish nationalism look like the steaming pile of romantic shite it ever was!
i think ur intimidated by wayne cos not only has he a sense of humour but that he makes very articulate points with it.
now perhaps u'd like to point out how he is trolling as opposed to humouressly tearing scottish nationalism a new arse hole? and if u disagree with him i suggest u give some reasons? However i believe u really don't have a fucking clue aand are afraid that u will display the same one dimensional cack handed analysis u did regarding the complex situation over here in northern ireland.
Oct 21 2004 01:49
#7
<thread split so Augusto's discussion can continue - the big fight is here: http://enrager.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2817 - there have been a lot of potentially good debates spoilt by fighting, and I think we all know what's up now...>
Oct 21 2004 10:55
#8
Yeah, i was going to say i think my threads being pulled into a seperate battle here...
I mean non-governmental culture, like you said "you can like pasta and not be an Italian patriot", or words to that effect. I just wanted to clear it up, so i wouldnt be condemned as a nationalist or something in the future...
Oct 21 2004 20:15
#9
I dont see why not, I think that alot of shit about how the government "create" culture is crap. Sure there's the whole encouraging and artificial boosting, but anyone who has traveled will tell you 100% that people are totally different everywhere.
And isnt that basically the culture?
the little idiosyncracies (no way I was ever gonna spell that right) of all different groups of people.
I personally enjoy living in the UK better then the US, one of the reasons being that the people and "culture" are different to the US, more tolerant for one. But theres other little things.
But I am not overly keen on becoming a Subject if I don't have to. I could give a fuck if the UK was in the EU, it wouldn't affect the people any (and I say people in the feeling kind of attitude way) I mean the French are still French, kicking ass and telling the rest of the world to fuck off!
Oct 22 2004 04:39
#10
So can you love a culture and not be a patriot?[/quote wrote:
Oh yes. Sulfolk has much to praise. You are right to be proud.
Just don't be labelled and spoken for.
When you look at it, the global elite's main thrust against us is the destruction of our uniquness. Make us all clones, eating mcdonalds, drinking coke and watching the same newscasts. The UK is a great example. Everyone behind their privet hedges. Most are in utter isolation from their neighbours and their communities. Holding your own wee bit of local cohesion together, and trying to build community is possibly the strongest weapon we have against the deliberate and calculated attack against the strength that is our community. Think about it...
I know for a fact, that if I was dragged off in the night, there would be people in my community who'd kick up a fuss wherever I wes detained. Can you be so sure?
God help us when the last bit of community spirit is hounded out by dogmas and ideological stances.
It's the labels that confuse the issue. We don't need them.
You can observe the wisdom in the teachings of Gandi without being a hindu.
We are constantly surrounded by people who think "Yeah, like wot he says" is a worthy political stance. Sheep. Followers. Badge wearers. Happy to be branded with any mark.
Augusto, you can be rightly proud of the many achievements of our local communities, regions, nations, and even sometimes states. But surely, we can see through the rhetoric of those who read a few history books and proclaim they can see the world in black and white.
Anyone who will not hear their state/nation/regeion/community/self criticised is a sad fool who will never learn anything. Anyone who defends these entities vehemently, and finds nothing but praise, betrays their anxiety about it.
What you are proud of and why is everything.
Oct 22 2004 09:28
#11
Yeah, i just think its nessecary to make the divide between being proud of what a people have achieved, or a culture, and being a robot who salutes the flag and marches behind it right off a cliff.
Oct 22 2004 17:44
#12
Exactly.
Oct 23 2004 18:05
#13
It depends what you mean by culture. What the fuck is culture? The way people behave, dress, think, eat?
It seems 'culture' denotes some sort of participation in a certain sphere, while 'patriotism' is perceived as being something rather blind and superficial.
People say Britain is multi-cultural, but is it not simply made up of different religions and races? Arent we all positioned under one all-encompassing culture, one dominant culture that is able to subordinate and assimilate all other sub-cultures?
Oct 24 2004 03:34
#14
like a rainbow of humanity.
(Bags I be green!)
Oct 25 2004 16:02
#15
nuclearcivvy wrote:
like a rainbow of humanity.(Bags I be green!)
I got dibs on infrared.
Oct 26 2004 18:47
#16
A rainbow of humanity is a very acheiveable goal, give it 50 more years and there'll only be 7 humans left. They'll have to argue amongst themselves about which colours to be, though.
Oct 26 2004 18:49
#17
Augusto_Sandino wrote:
Yeah, i just think its nessecary to make the divide between being proud of what a people have achieved, or a culture, and being a robot who salutes the flag and marches behind it right off a cliff.
Hmm, perhaps we should go the US, get a big stars and stripes, wander around outside various mcdonalds outlets and gun shops and then walk off a cliff.
Job done.
is that a serious question??? i suppouse it could be if culture was a static entity tied to the geographical and political boundaries of the nation state! thank fuck it isn't then
tho lots of culture are used for political purposes and indeed many have been invented to serve very specific national purposes.
anyway i like pasta doesn't mean im an Italian patriot, tho i hate gaelic football and the general parochial backwardness of it! fucking GAA can suck my half protestant balls!