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Oct 16 2004 13:29

But that at least makes Proudhon a step right? A step that is better expressed through Bakunin or Kropotkin but a step none the less?

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Oct 16 2004 13:36
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[. . .] your [sic] pathetic because if you primmos really beleived [sic] you could survive by re-wilding [sic] you'd be living in bodmin moor by now.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT IS

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serioulsy [sic] if you beleive [sic] the crap you spout, drop the house and all things in modern life and just LEAVE.

I CAN'T JUST LEAVE MY LEASE AND DEBT. I WILL BE ARRESTED, AND I CAN'T JUST GO TO THE WOODS. I WILL DIE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SURVIVE OUT THERE. JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO GO DOESN'T MEAN I KNOW HOW TO CLEAN ANIMALS, WHAT PLANTS TO GATHER, AND HOW TO STAY WARM DURING THE WINTERS. IT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE A DOZEN OR SO PEOPLE WHO WILL LET ME TRAVEL WITH THEM, AND WHY WOULD THEY IF THEY'D HAVE TO CONSTANTLY TEACH ME THE BASICS? STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE

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Oct 16 2004 13:38
Augusto_Sandino wrote:
But that at least makes Proudhon a step right? A step that is better expressed through Bakunin or Kropotkin but a step none the less?

by that definition almost everything is a step

i just don't see why anarchists rate him along side marx and bakunin tho, when in reality proudhon has more to do with conspiracy theorists and 18th century 'radicals' rather than the industrial socialists who appeared in the mid 19th century.

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Oct 16 2004 13:48
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[. . .] your [sic] pathetic because if you primmos really beleived [sic] you could survive by re-wilding [sic] you'd be living in bodmin moor by now.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT IS

cantdocartwheels wrote:
serioulsy [sic] if you beleive [sic] the crap you spout, drop the house and all things in modern life and just LEAVE.

I CAN'T JUST LEAVE MY LEASE AND DEBT. I WILL BE ARRESTED, AND I CAN'T JUST GO TO THE WOODS. I WILL DIE.

You can, because the police will view you as a missing person and you can avoid detection in the woods. There are forests and moors in the UK easily big enough to live in, and its not a manhunt so i imagine you could hide out easily with a few friends, seeing as you wil, have no visible settelment.

And yep, of course you will die. Thats the funny part, your new life would last about a few months at the most before you died of disease, malnutrition and hyperthermia. I think thats Fucking hilarious.

Go on, what are you waiting for, i've heard the lake district is really nice this time of year, bit chilly tho. smile

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Oct 16 2004 13:54
cantdocartwheels wrote:
[. . .] the police will view you as a missing person and you can avoid detection in the woods.

fat chance. you're still being an unrealistic asshole.

cantdocartwheels wrote:
There are forests and moors in the UK easily big enough to live in

there are forests and mountains, here, too. in case you didn't notice, i'm in the northern state named for some colonialist governor named Charles.

cantdocartwheels wrote:
[. . .] its not a manhunt so i imagine you could hide out easily with a few friends

maybe

cantdocartwheels wrote:
[. . .] seeing as you wil, [sic] have no visible settelment [sic].

i see what you mean, but i'd rather not take that chance.

cantdocartwheels wrote:
[. . .] of course you will die. [. . .] your new life would last about a few months at the most before you died of disease, malnutrition and hyperthermia.

why is an ignoramus posing as an anarchist? confused You can't spell either.

ken

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Oct 16 2004 14:42
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[. . .] the police will view you as a missing person and you can avoid detection in the woods.

fat chance. you're still being an unrealistic asshole.

no its easily possible, you''l never leave the woods and they'll simply reclaim your property and forget you existed

cantdocartwheels wrote:
There are forests and moors in the UK easily big enough to live in

there are forests and mountains, here, too. in case you didn't notice, i'm in the northern state named for some colonialist governor named Charles.

if you live in the US you have even less excuse

cantdocartwheels wrote:
[. . .] its not a manhunt so i imagine you could hide out easily with a few friends

maybe

easily

cantdocartwheels wrote:
[. . .] seeing as you wil, [sic] have no visible settelment [sic].

i see what you mean, but i'd rather not take that chance.

hahaha

cantdocartwheels wrote:
[. . .] of course you will die. [. . .] your new life would last about a few months at the most before you died of disease, malnutrition and hyperthermia.

Considering you beleive 6 billion people can survive in the wilderness, but you can't even manage just 1 its a bit steep for you to call me an ignoramus.

And seriously get on with it, i'm putting you up for nomination for the Darwin Award if you go

''Ken, a self proclaimed ''primitivist'', who beleived that in order to save the human race, it is neccesary to re-wild. Literally meaning to try and go back to an animal state.

On october the 20th 2004, in order to prove how wild he was to a bunch of people he met on an internet forum, ken left his house and life behind. Stripping naked he walked out alone into the forest. Two weeks later locals found his frozen corpse. It is suggested that he froze to death after 24 hours of exposure although the post mortem also found a necrotic bacteria infection and traces of poisonous substances derived from drinming impure water in his stomach, plus his body was....

(and so on)

Afterall if you get in the darwin awards then you'll be advertising primtivism to millions of people, showing how you were willing to die for your beleifs...

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Oct 16 2004 15:20
cantdocartwheels wrote:
[. . .] its easily possible, you''l [sic] never leave the woods and they'll simply reclaim your property and forget you existed

i don't believe you.

cantdocartwheels wrote:
Considering you beleive 6 billion people can survive in the wilderness, but you can't even manage just 1 its a bit steep for you to call me an ignoramus.

Considering you think I "beleive" six billion people can survive in the wilderness, "its" a bit steep for you to deny you're an ignoramus. Seriously, all name calling aside, I'm aware that six billion people can't survive without industrial agriculture. I thought I had made that clear, but sometimes, people miss things.

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And seriously get on with it, i'm putting you up for nomination for the Darwin Award if you go

prove to me, without a shadow of a doubt, that i won't get in trouble for abandoning everything. i'd also need training to learn how to survive out there, so provide my chosen training, too, probably for a few years at least.

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''Ken, a self proclaimed ''primitivist'', who beleived [sic] that in order to save the human race, it is neccesary [sic] to re-wild [sic]. Literally meaning to try and go back to an animal state. [sic]

On october the 20th 2004, in order to prove how wild he was to a bunch of people he met on an internet forum, ken left his house and life behind.

How could I be officially wild in four days? confused Why is an ignoramus posing as an anarchist? confused Why would I bother proving anything to you, john? You don't mean shit to me if you haven't noticed!

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Stripping naked he walked out alone into the forest. Two weeks later locals found his frozen corpse.

Why is a moron posing as an anarchist?

cantdocartwheels wrote:
It is suggested that he froze to death after 24 hours of exposure although the post mortem [sic] also found a necrotic bacteria infection and traces of poisonous substances derived from drinming [sic] impure water in his stomach. [. . .]

Are you aware, lots of people survive without civilization, everyday, and did it for millions of years before we probably got addicted to exorphin? We've only been civilized for 12,000 years. Which do you think is more in our nature?

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Afterall [sic] if you get in the darwin awards then you'll be advertising primitivism [sic] to millions of people, showing how you were willing to die for your beliefs [sic]...

John

John, you're intelligent (just kidding), and you still can't spell worth a shit.

Kenny

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Oct 16 2004 15:44

you really are a sad worthless piece of shit aren't you, and no i'm not debating with you, i don't consider your views worth the time. I'm hoping the 50 odd UK primmos and assorted crusty hangers on actually try living naked in the woods and die in the process, because that would mean that we wouldn't have to put up with you cunts pretending you were anarchists.

i don't really care if i can't spell, but you probably don't even fucking beleive in writing, so who the fuck are you to tell me i can't spell you fucking nutter

no sane person cares about your ideas, you are nothing but a smelly hippy who can't even tell when people are just taking the piss out of him or when they're debating his politics seriously, because your politics are such utter laughable shite.

now go away, if i was a mod i'd ban you and have done with it, because primitivists are advocates of a reactionary ideology, who don't have anything to do with anarchism.

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Oct 16 2004 16:01
cantdocartwheels wrote:
you really are a sad worthless piece of shit aren't you

no, why do you say such a lie?

cantdocartwheels wrote:
i'm not debating with you

because you can't

cantdocartwheels wrote:
i don't consider your views worth the time.

then, i wished you hadn't even wasted your time, typing

cantdocartwheels wrote:
I'm hoping the 50 odd UK primmos and assorted crusty hangers on actually try living naked in the woods and die in the process

okay, asshole

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because that would mean that we wouldn't have to put up with you cunts pretending you were anarchists.

at least we wouldn't have to put up with you meanies, pretending we aren't just because we want to get live without industry and farming! how can you say a stateless society isn't anarchy?! you're fucking liars. don't even come with that patriarchy shit either unless you have some proof.

cantdocartwheels wrote:
i don't really care if i can't spell, but you probably don't even fucking beleive in writing

great point (that's sarcasm.) you still misspelled "believe".

cantdocartwheels wrote:
so who the fuck are you to tell me i can't spell you fucking nutter

whatever, psycho

cantdocartwheels wrote:
no sane person cares about your ideas

that's all that matters, isn't it, sheep?

cantdocartwheels wrote:
you are nothing but a smelly hippy

you don't have a clue about what i am.

Rob Bass wrote:
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I smell great. You don't know me. Nothing's wrong with hippies. They pwned!

cantdocartwheels wrote:
who can't even tell when people are just taking the piss out of him or when they're debating his politics seriously

i can tell you're trolling.

cantdocartwheels wrote:
because your politics are such utter laughable shite.

in your opinion, that doesn't entitle you to troll unless you were on some other board. you're supposed to play fair on anarchist forums!

cantdocartwheels wrote:
now go away

NO!

cantdocartwheels wrote:
if i was a mod i'd ban you

MAYBE THAT'S WHY YOU AREN'T, "ANARCHIST".

cantdocartwheels wrote:
primitivists are advocates of a reactionary ideology

what the fuck is that?!

cantdocartwheels wrote:
who don't have anything to do with anarchism.

again, how can you lie like that? back it up, liar angry star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black

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Oct 16 2004 17:26

Is username really for real?

I have just wasted a massive amount of time sifting through post after post of stunningly retarded brainless banter.

Actually, come to think of it, whats really frightening is that while he's not overly stupid, he is seriously deluded and confused. Normally I would put this down to drugs or being dropped alot as a child. in this case I think the problem is much much deeper.

I don't think he should be banned... just give him his own little forum to have inane moronic arguements with himself on.

That or trade him with HLS for a few animals, I bet you could convince them that hes an escaped chimp anyway.

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Oct 16 2004 17:29

actually, ban the fucker, he has successfully destroyed several threads I would have liked to have read were they serious.

Plus he gives me as an american a bad name, I already have to deal with the rest of the fuckin country giving me a bad name, but this fuckwit thinks he's an "anarchist"... This is why I left the fuckin place.

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Oct 16 2004 19:06
Username wrote:
cantdocartwheels wrote:
you really are a sad worthless piece of shit aren't you

no, why do you say such a lie?

cantdocartwheels wrote:
i'm not debating with you

because you can't

cantdocartwheels wrote:
i don't consider your views worth the time.

then, i wished you hadn't even wasted your time, typing

cantdocartwheels wrote:
I'm hoping the 50 odd UK primmos and assorted crusty hangers on actually try living naked in the woods and die in the process

okay, asshole

cantdocartwheels wrote:
because that would mean that we wouldn't have to put up with you cunts pretending you were anarchists.

at least we wouldn't have to put up with you meanies, pretending we aren't just because we want to get live without industry and farming! how can you say a stateless society isn't anarchy?! you're fucking liars. don't even come with that patriarchy shit either unless you have some proof.

cantdocartwheels wrote:
i don't really care if i can't spell, but you probably don't even fucking beleive in writing

great point (that's sarcasm.) you still misspelled "believe".

cantdocartwheels wrote:
so who the fuck are you to tell me i can't spell you fucking nutter

whatever, psycho

cantdocartwheels wrote:
no sane person cares about your ideas

that's all that matters, isn't it, sheep?

cantdocartwheels wrote:
you are nothing but a smelly hippy

you don't have a clue about what i am.

Rob Bass wrote:
Ladies love me. Girls adore me, even the ones who never saw me.

I smell great. You don't know me. Nothing's wrong with hippies. They pwned!

cantdocartwheels wrote:
who can't even tell when people are just taking the piss out of him or when they're debating his politics seriously

i can tell you're trolling.

cantdocartwheels wrote:
because your politics are such utter laughable shite.

in your opinion, that doesn't entitle you to troll unless you were on some other board. you're supposed to play fair on anarchist forums!

cantdocartwheels wrote:
now go away

NO!

cantdocartwheels wrote:
if i was a mod i'd ban you

MAYBE THAT'S WHY YOU AREN'T, "ANARCHIST".

cantdocartwheels wrote:
primitivists are advocates of a reactionary ideology

what the fuck is that?!

cantdocartwheels wrote:
who don't have anything to do with anarchism.

again, how can you lie like that? back it up, liar angry star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black circle A star green black

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You are offcially a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.

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Oct 16 2004 20:25
cantdocartwheels wrote:
You are offcially [sic] a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.

YOU AREN'T FECES

and it's spelled sammiches, not sandwiches, douche

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Oct 16 2004 21:26
Username wrote:

and it's spelled sammiches, not sandwiches, douche

What???

i feel the need to reiterate my request for someone to invent a 'nutter alert'

emoticon!

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Oct 16 2004 21:29

hmm, i feel the need for someone to invent sarcasm lens

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Oct 16 2004 22:18
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[. . .] live without overseers.

But you said that there are no good alternatives, make your bloody mind up.

living without capitalism isn't necessarily the same thing as living with socialism.

Don't try to wriggle out:

"any replacement will be just as bad"

Whatever happens capitalism would be replaced by something

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Oct 16 2004 22:30

the only thing i'd replace it with is a tribal order of less than two dozen people. i've never really heard of a federation of tribes, so i don't think anybody would be for that. tribes do travel though and stop at other people's property since people are sedentary, today.

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Oct 16 2004 23:58

Username is a wanker and next time I'm stateside I'm gonna find him and correct him for the whole of the Anarchst movement.

Fuck whether or not we belive in violence I am chopping his Primmo ass up into little bits and feeding it to venus fly-traps...

wanker...

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Oct 17 2004 01:18
cantdocartwheels wrote:
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cantdocartwheels wrote:
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madashell wrote:
Oh and username, you probably get this a lot, but it can't be said enough:

Why are you on the net, if you're a primmo?

Because I'm tied to civilization at the moment. also, at this time, I can't afford to go camping and learn how to be a nomadic hunter/gatherer. want to finance my cause? send donations to get me out of debt and send me packing.

what the fuck?

seeing as you doin't beleive in revolution what are you waiting for, you don't believe in mobilising any sort of mass movement, so why are you not living somewhere in north wales or on bodmin moor with some other hippies?

john

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Because I'm tied to civilization at the moment. also, at this time, I can't afford to go camping and learn how to be a nomadic hunter/gatherer. want to finance my cause? send donations to get me out of debt and send me packing.

emphasis mine tongue

PS I wouldn't mind propagating these ideas to millions of people though.

pathetic

LOAD OF BOLLOCKS. THIS IS ALL POINTLESS. Does this make me a nihilist? grin

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Oct 17 2004 09:49
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the only thing i'd replace it with is a tribal order of less than two dozen people. i've never really heard of a federation of tribes, so i don't think anybody would be for that. tribes do travel though and stop at other people's property since people are sedentary, today.

But won't that be "just as bad"? You did say "any replacement". Make your bloody mind up roll eyes

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Oct 17 2004 12:24

it's too informal to be just as bad. nobody will have any real power. i'm not a complete nihilist. i'm a primitivist.

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Oct 17 2004 21:28
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Why is a moron posing as an anarchist?

i think this is a question many of us have been asking ever since username arrived on these boards.

and there is no way that the state would waste resources on a manhunt for someone who just didn't pay their debts. they'd only bother if you killed a bunch of people. if people like rod coronado (or whatever his name is) can last for months on the run after blowing up loads of fur farm equipment and stuff with the fbi after him, then i think some idiot who just stopped paying his mortgage and phone bill should have no difficulty in avoiding the cops indeffinitely. unless of course your debts are to the local mafia, in which case it will be even funnier if you try not paying...

also, for primitivist you know fuck all about primitive people don't you? the tribes of west papua, who are currently fighting the indonesian army to drive back attempts to impose western civilisation on them (for decent, practical reasons rather than the nonsense you come out with) have said that they don't want their own state (which would be pretty hard on a small island with something like a quarter of the world's languages), but the free federation of the tribes. and i believe some native american tribes were federated.

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Why is a moron posing as an anarchist?

i think this is a question many of us have been asking ever since username arrived on these boards.

i knew i'd get that, but really, y'all are being rude.

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and there is no way that the state would waste resources on a manhunt for someone who just didn't pay their debts. they'd only bother if you killed a bunch of people. if people like rod coronado (or whatever his name is) can last for months on the run after blowing up loads of fur farm equipment and stuff with the fbi after him, then i think some idiot who just stopped paying his mortgage and phone bill should have no difficulty in avoiding the cops indeffinitely.

this is just speculation, and i think you're just shooting from the hip; but i'm sure everyone appreciates being called an idiot. keep those manners of yours.

GenerationTerrorist wrote:
unless of course your debts are to the local mafia, in which case it will be even funnier if you try not paying...

HAHAHA, YEAH! I SEE YOUR POINT, NOW! THAT'S FUNNY TO ME!

GenerationTerrorist wrote:
also, for primitivist you know fuck all about primitive people don't you?

i don't know? do i? did i get something wrong?

GenerationTerrorist wrote:
the tribes of west papua, who are currently fighting the indonesian army to drive back attempts to impose western civilisation on them (for decent, practical reasons rather than the nonsense you come out with)

oh, so i'm speaking nonsense. okay.

GenerationTerrorist wrote:
have said that they don't want their own state (which would be pretty hard on a small island with something like a quarter of the world's languages), but the free federation of the tribes. and i believe some native american tribes were federated.

oh, well, is that all? okay, but that doesn't mean i "know fuck all about primitive people". be kinder with your words, asshole. there's no reason for that kind of tone, around here. if i don't know something, then i don't know something. you don't have to get verbally abusive to run me off. again, what kind of anarchist does such a thing anyway? all of you continue to condone the irony. lovely bunch of chaps y'all are. maybe everything will work itself out. PEACE

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it's too informal to be just as bad. nobody will have any real power. i'm not a complete nihilist. i'm a primitivist.

How can you not be a "compete nihilist"? Either you're a nihilist or you're not a nihilist?

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be kinder with your words, asshole.

I just quoted this bit because I could, tbh tongue

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How can you not be a "compete nihilist"? Either you're a nihilist or you're not a nihilist?

that's right.

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I just quoted this bit because I could, tbh tongue

oh, what's "tbh"? do you think it's an oxymoron? i guess y'all will never let me be one of y'all.

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I just quoted this bit because I could, tbh tongue

oh, what's "tbh"? do you think it's an oxymoron? i guess y'all will never let me be one of y'all.

tbh=to be honest

And chill out Username, when I start getting viscious, you'll know twisted smile

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Oct 18 2004 11:23

RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS!!! roll eyes roll eyes

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Oct 18 2004 11:37

Long, long ago, back in the days before the flame war started on this thread, someone asked where s/he could find Gramsci's pro-Mussolini newspaper editorial.....

It's in Volume 1 of the "Selected Political Writings," published by Lawrence & Wishart. Can't remember the name of the piece, but that's the price you pay for having your books at home & your internet access at work.

In the same volume, there's a piece where he comes very close to an anarcho-syndicalist take on trade unions, too.

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Oct 18 2004 13:10
madashell wrote:

Either you're a nihilist or you're not a nihilist?

I would consider myself a philosophical nihilist, rather than a political one. You don't necessarily have to subscribe to every aspect of nihilism to consider yourself a nihilist...or do you?

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Oct 18 2004 13:30
The Anarchist Tension wrote:
madashell wrote:

Either you're a nihilist or you're not a nihilist?

I would consider myself a philosophical nihilist, rather than a political one. You don't necessarily have to subscribe to every aspect of nihilism to consider yourself a nihilist...or do you?

I'd say that philosophical and political nihilism are two distinct things, from what I've read.