Once more on the failed transit system fare strike in San Francisco in 2005

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Jun 14 2007 21:13
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It actually might be preferable to allow pathetic loser-asshole-types to benignly free-load instead of having some mechanism of coercion that will probably end up doing more social harm than good.

What if we just key their cars and boycott the radio stations they like to listen to?

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Jun 14 2007 22:50
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I'll go in for $10 on by Christmas or $20 on a year from today. I'd say more money but I wouldn't want him to bite his tongue for a year just to spite me. (Or release it in Esperanto only or something.)

I'll go in on the same terms for how long it'll be before half of anglophone NEFACers work for unions or "community organizations".

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Jun 15 2007 02:07
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Good to hear, I take it back then. I guess I'm just puzzled at the last round of your library contributions, including the Murder of Crows thing, and your statement that the militia movement is still growing. I've been meaning to post some related stuff to the library which you might be interested in despite the source... I'll keep you posted on that.

Ace.

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Jun 15 2007 02:17

Anyway, do you deny that since the '60s the United States and European governments have been following a two-pronged strategy consisting of counter-insurgency activity and a "strategy of tension"? I mean, the incidents at the MOVE communal house, Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma City * would certainly suggest the United States government is quite sufficiently ruthless. The "Stay Behind" network in Europe and the "strategy of tension" (e.g. Gladio in Italy and the Supermarket shootings in Belgium, for example) are now quite well known. Keeping yr head up isn't insurrectionist and it's certainly not "paranoid" - its practical. wink

* See "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror" by David Hoffman

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Jun 15 2007 17:55
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I'll go in for $10 on by Christmas or $20 on a year from today. I'd say more money but I wouldn't want him to bite his tongue for a year just to spite me. (Or release it in Esperanto only or something.)

I'll go in on the same terms for how long it'll be before half of anglophone NEFACers work for unions or "community organizations".

Is there an insult hidden in there somewhere? Not sure about you but -- with the exception of cops, prison screws and bosses -- I could give a fuck where anyone gets their paycheck. Shit, I've worked all sorts of crap jobs (factory work, gutting crack houses, roofing/house painting, dish washing, line cook, etc.) and am pretty happy to currently be able to work a "movement" job that pays okay and gives me dental insurance. I couldn't imagine knocking any other working class person who is able to land a similar job through the skills/experience they've aquired from their activism. But that's just me.

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Jun 15 2007 18:09

But church secretaries and food pantry staffers are capital's last line of defense against the emergent Government of Workers' Councils!

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Jun 15 2007 18:15
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But church secretaries and food pantry staffers are capital's last line of defense against the emergent Government of Workers' Councils!

But I'm not in a union, so at least there's no bureaucratic machine to mediate my class rage against... well, the volunteer board of cute little old ladies and activist fluffies who are my oppressive overseers.

Fuck, maybe after I finish up this mailing I'm working on I'll declare a workers' soviet in my office.

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Jun 15 2007 18:17

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON

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Jun 15 2007 20:53
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I'll go in for $10 on by Christmas or $20 on a year from today. I'd say more money but I wouldn't want him to bite his tongue for a year just to spite me. (Or release it in Esperanto only or something.)

I'll go in on the same terms for how long it'll be before half of anglophone NEFACers work for unions or "community organizations".

Is there an insult hidden in there somewhere? Not sure about you but -- with the exception of cops, prison screws and bosses -- I could give a fuck where anyone gets their paycheck. Shit, I've worked all sorts of crap jobs (factory work, gutting crack houses, roofing/house painting, dish washing, line cook, etc.) and am pretty happy to currently be able to work a "movement" job that pays okay and gives me dental insurance. I couldn't imagine knocking any other working class person who is able to land a similar job through the skills/experience they've aquired from their activism. But that's just me.

Hell I'm all about working class folks dodging tough work and living as high as they can while doing it.

That said I see working for a "movement" church as being similar to "dropping out" - if you can get away with it, and you're still raising hell in the rest of your life, great. At the same time becoming "paid organizers" is an extremely seductive choice for many activists who look at it as getting paid for their activism, without analyzing the roles that NGOs or unions play in maintaining the status quo.

"lifestylism" as a practice crops up as easily in twenty-something "professional organizers" as it does in twenty-something "traveler kids".

Also marxistically speaking conditions determine consciousness. Groups made up primarily of "traveler kids" can easily begin to fetishize that as "revolutionary praxis", but groups made up primarily (or with a significant proportion) of "professional organizers" can also easily fetishize THAT as "revolutionary praxis".

So consider it not so much as an insult, but as a light-hearted jab, especially because although I don't know you I know that jokes/insults about those who aren't "credible revs" (to use rises term), whether they are traveler kids or just folks who seem to be too critical of the existing labor mvoement, etc. can be too common in the "credible rev" milieu. I know because I've made them myself, and heard others make them (and I take the jokes from MJ and duke to be in that vein).

So again, its not an insult so much as a reminder that "credible revs" like MJ and duke don't have all the answers and needn't be so ubiquitous with insults.

Edited to say: this reaches ridiculous extremes when for example "rise" begins dismissing everyone who disagrees with him as "shameless mcanarchyists", even folks like the "Furious Five" collective, whom I'm sure anyone in the Bay Area could vouch for as authentic anarchist-communists/especifistas (as Tom already has).

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Jun 15 2007 20:57
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So again, its not an insult so much as a reminder that "credible revs" like MJ and duke don't have all the answers and needn't be so ubiquitous with insults.

Whats "ubiquitous" mean college boy?

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Etymology

From Latin ubique, everywhere

[edit] Pronunciation

* IPA: /juːˈbɪkwɪtəs/, SAMPA: /ju:"bIkwIt@s/
* Audio (UK)help, file
* Audio (US)help, file

[edit] Adjective

ubiquitous (not comparable)

Positive
ubiquitous

Comparative
not comparable

Superlative
none (absolute)

1. Being everywhere at once: omnipresent.
2. Seeming to appear everywhere at the same time.

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* 1851 — Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Ch. 41

One of the wild suggestions referred to, as at last coming to be linked with the White Whale in the minds of the superstitiously inclined, was the unearthly conceit that Moby Dick was ubiquitous; that he had actually been encountered in opposite latitudes at one and the same instant of time.

* 1927-1929 — Mahatma Gandhi, An Autobiography or The Story of my Experiments with Truth, Part V (XII) The Stain of Indigo, translated 1940 by Mahadev Desai

I returned to the Ashram. The ubiquitous Rajkumar was there too.

[edit] Synonyms

* (being everywhere): omnipresent
* (seeming to appear everywhere at the same time): ever-present

[edit] Derived terms

* ubiquitously

[edit] Related terms

* ubiquarian
* ubiquity

Just like you bureaucrats, getting twenty-something radicals to do your work for you!

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Jun 15 2007 21:06

SRB get back to canning cranberries you damn hippie! The left and right wings of capital are exactly the same... but... real communists should only be employed by the right wing of capital...

wait
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Jun 15 2007 21:08
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Just like you bureaucrats, getting twenty-something radicals to do your work for you!

Tricks on you. I learned that word when my old band's sticker campaign was insulted in the newspaper.

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Jun 15 2007 22:55

Well we all know that bureaucrats want to hold back anything new, and keep those under them constantly doing the same tasks that the porkchoppers already know will accomplish nothing.

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Jun 15 2007 23:11
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Well we all know that bureaucrats want to hold back anything new, and keep those under them constantly doing the same tasks that the porkchoppers already know will accomplish nothing.

You guessed our plan! We've been keeping the IWW from exploding in membership growth by getting y'all to google words on the internet for us.

What does mountebank mean?

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Jun 15 2007 23:12

In summation:

1. The point of the 'Muni Social Strikeout...' article on my 'Love and Treason' web page, and of the somewhat shorter analysis that began this thread above, is that in what happened with the anarchists and the more conventional leftists, like "IDP" and Mobuto, in the 2005 effort was an almost textbook-worthy example of how not to go about trying to get this sort of effort together.

I show this clearly.

The numbered points above, and what I describe in the opening of the 'Muni Social Strikeout...' article, linked to above, point out how an effort like this could be done better, much better, in the future.

That is my main point here, and in the doc on my web page that began all this.

2. Regarding Comrade Mobuto's latest Iguazu-Falls-sized-cataract of weasle words, I'll try be charitable here.

By his own admission Comrade Mobuto is a man in his 30's who, prior to the bungled fare hike action, had been involved in a single, solitary effort that might arguably be considered as being to the left of the left in this part of the world. That was an episode of college campus hijinks vs. some of his fellow campus leftists in a campus anti-war group, basically a pie-fight over who gets to have chocolate milk with their cookies before nap time. As such that doesn't count for much with me. And this experience, plus being one of the bunglers in the Muni Fare Strike flop, hasn't given him sufficent anti-capitalist smarts to be able to politically or polemically find his ass with both hands.

Sure, I went to SF State, like Comrade Mobuto did -- to scam financial aid bread, use the Olympic-sized swimming pool, avoid working for a living, and get my hands on 16mm movie cameras and lights and sound equipment. That's different. College student "politics" is stuff to throw water balloons at, and nothing more than that.

I've been doing stuff out here in the real world since I was a teenage boy in the late 1970's; see the thread that started with the post like this one on libcom, linked to by 'Kevin is Funny,' for more detail. I don't need to act like a conventional leftist chump and to be completely incompetent in getting a message out just to avoid pushing Mobuto and GH/"IDP"/"Stinas"(sic!)'s extra-large inept pedant buttons.

If there had been any collective decision by the group that I was in, and I had ignored it and gone ahead and done whatever I'd felt like, then you would be able to say I was guilty of some of the outlandish claims that Mobuto makes about me. But in the mostly anarchist Muni Social Strike group there was collectively nothing happening. This group was for the most part made up of nominal anarchist children of the property-owning class who are so achingly naive and so cosseted from the realities of contemporary life by high bourgeois class priviledge that they and their fierce dogma evaporated rapidly in the Muni effort; again, I describe this in my article. Their version of anarchism isn't about a long-term commitment to fight for radical social change, and the only time most of them encounter the working class is when they check their bags with one of them at the airport.

Mobuto, I have know most of your comrades more than ten years longer than you have -- I have repeatedly seen what they are about. Other than the one who organized the San Francisco bike messengers wildcat back in the 1990's, and who from what I can see didn't participate in your prolix chronicle of the failed fare strike, the others, "IDP" and JZ that is, repeatedly proved to be a complete waste of time -- dilletantes, poseurs and fools. (I have nothing against GJ or another individual whose first name begins with 'G.')

What get's called ultra-left Marxism on the West Coast of the United States is an all-talk-and-no-walk phenomenon. Other than in a few of the word choices I have nothing in common with the few lumpen-academics I've met around here who call themselves this. The US ultra-left Marxists that I have met in the East Bay and San Francisco have been useful only as bottle-openers, and for nothing more than that. And in the public actions of "IDP," JZ and Mobuto you guys repeatedly show that you are just conventional leftists, anyway.

Comrade Mobuto cites the post 9-11 group as a predecessor of the way he and his comrades dropped the ball in the Muni effort. I was in that group at its inception. 9-11 was the first major battle of the 21st century, and the first time that the chief mechanism of United States foreign policy, mass civilian casualty attacks, were inflicted on the civilian populace of the United States. This was a direct outgrowth of Reagan's war against the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980's -- 9-11 was a direct result of US foreign policy. Even in the generally quite left-wing friendly SF Bay Area none of the supposed opponents of this countries' rulers were doing anything to hang this bird around the necks of the mass murderers who deserved the credit for it. It was time to do exactly that. It was time to communicate a message, in the biggest way possible, and as quickly as possible, the biggest, clearest message that a small group of self-proclaimed Marxists or communists could do with limited resources.

So this post 9-11 group was formed. It met, and it met, and it met, and then it still held some more meetings, and then it met again. Time was of the essence in this; the best idea I could come up with would be to cover SF's Financial District with posters broadcasting a provocative message about the events -- the time was ripe for it in a unique way; nobody else was doing jack with it, it would have been easy to get a rise out of a lot of people, and that particular set of circumstances isn't going to occur again. I'm sure that what I was proposing wasn't a perfect solution, but there are no perfect solutions, it wouldn't have gotten in the way of anything else the group could have done at the same time or later, and none of the pedants in the post 9-11 group came up with anything better. After I left the group they appear to have succeeded solely in keeping their heads low. If they did anything out there in the big bad world it was as invisible to me as it must have been to everyone else on planet earth.

That post 9-11 group was a huge missed opportunity to communicate something in a big way, and as such it makes sense that Comrade Mobuto and company would claim it as their political predecesor.

In his latest post, as in so many others, Mobuto shows that he has been studying hard under "IDP." In the 14 years that I've known him "IDP" has never allowed his gross ignorance of any given matter to keep him from forming a hard and fast opinion about it. These guys both think that if they take themselves too seriously, others will somehow be compelled to at least take them a little bit seriously.

3. With his stupefying, soporific, bigger-than-Texas-sized posts, Mobuto is like Deputy Lou Ford in "The Killer Inside Me;" he tries to keep people confused by boring them to death. Maybe he's not just a compulsive bullshitter, maybe he loses track of what he's trying to say because in the sheer length of his posts he simply forgets what he's saying, just like most people reading them might. With his repeated inability to pick up on what's already been said numerous times, and then going on typing about it at such exhaustive length its almost as if Mobuto is doing shitloads of crystal meth, and tweaking at the keyboard is more fun than picking at crank bugs and pulling out his loose teeth.

Any substantive points Mobuto tried to make here have already been addressed in my original article:

-- Marc Norton's proprietary attitude about the piss-poor leaflets the conventional leftist distributed, which heavily tends to prove his authorship,

-- Mobuto's horseshit about the members of Progressive Labor who used to work for Muni,

-- Mobuto's lies about the Muni Drivers Action Committee,

-- and my attitude about functioning politically with people whose politics I'm, to put it mildly, not crazy about, have been dealt with above and in my original article, again and again and again.

And there was no fucking way I was going to bust my chops trying to get something together with Muni operators and then do catering arraingments to make it easy for leftist rip-off shits to defecate all over a potentially new kind of effort, the way Marc Norton and some other stone fools did in the Muni effort.

-- so, let me get this straight; the web site for the group they were in during the Muni effort has a prominent call to vote. Mobuto and "IDP" claims this was 'Marc Norton's' web site, and that the other people in their group had no say over this and no voice about it.

So you guys aren't responsible for waht appears on the web site of the group you were in during the Muni action, and Marc made it clear he wrote your leaflets, and Marc was the one repeatedly quoted as the spokesperson for your group in the SF Chronicle.

Do you give him any credit in your 'Fare Strike!' doc? Refresh my memory; I don't rememeber seeing his name there, and he obviously deserves a lot of credit for your bungled effort.

Read my article, read my posts; read the prolix airbrushed history doc. The effort was a flop because of specific choices that were made by the people involved in the effort, including leftists like "IDP" and Mobuto; people with a long and still uninterrupted track record of never successfully communicating anything to anybody. Learn from their failure and do better next time -- even a character like Mobuto can probably agree with that.

Oh, yeah, in case it isn't clear by now to any passive spectators, or exist-only-in-cyberspace-revolutionaries out there; I don't post stuff like this because I am trying to get people to like me. Why, truth be told, I suppose I'd like to be liked just as much as the next person does. But its more important for me to get my message across that to be liked. This relates to one of the perpetually clueless leftist Mobuto's canards, about how nobody agrees with my interpretation of all this. He leaves out the fact that all the people he's refering to are conventional leftists and compulsive protest ghetto anarchists, like the little kids who had that march of the anarchist rich kids in Palo Alto a few years ago.

In general I don't agree with leftists on a lot of points -- big points and key points; I have real big differences with them. Disagreement with their fellow clueless leftists is not such a big problem for Mobuto, "IDP" and the rest of them.

Anyone who doesn't like these posts doesn't have to read them, or they can try to come up with something better.

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Jun 16 2007 02:41

Shits can defecate?

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Jun 16 2007 03:03
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it means you

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it means you

Good looking?

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Jun 16 2007 14:58

er, yes. exactly. a mountebank is a good looking guy.
i think you should ask everyone you meet, "i'm a mountebank, right?"

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Jun 16 2007 17:22

actually a mountebank is a charlatan, a snake-oil salesman.

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actually a mountebank is a charlatan, a snake-oil salesman.

But a good looking one, right?

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Jun 16 2007 18:45

good looks would probably help in that endeavour.

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good looks would probably help in that endeavour.

Wanna join my union big boy? wink

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Jun 16 2007 22:55

mountebanks union?
where do i sign up

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Jun 17 2007 00:49

its not a union of mountebanks - mountebanks are the ones who "organize" you.

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its not a union of mountebanks

aw, fuck.
i'll just have to start it myself then.
(hey there's a logical joke i there, if i started a mountebanks union i would eo ipso have to be a mountebank becuase i was organizing mountebanks.)

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KK has to make the debate over the fare strike into a comparison of his fantasy resume with his denunciations of others “never having done anything” because as we’ve seen, his central charges against us have now all fallen away. Assuming he is not, as he pretends, the only one “out here in the real world,” let’s not fall for his first rhetorical trap.

Next he claims that the people he worked with in Social Strike did not make “any collective decision.” This is supposed to excuse what he is tacitly now admitting were his authoritarian tactics and actions in the fare strike. See, you have to look closely for when KK admits he just lost an argument, but it is there. He now claims, since no one else was doing anything, he could not have ignored their input because they had none, and that this erases any charges against him for his actions. He “proves” that no one else was doing anything by resorting to ad hominem attacks on their alleged status as trust fund liberals who know nothing of the world. This is painting with a broad brush so I will offer a more nuanced report from reality. One of the people in Social Strike I worked with: “F”, grew up in the Oakland projects. The other main person at City College, who is an anarchist: “D” was struggling with housing issues and had no money coming from parents or relatives. Aside from the fact that merely labeling someone “petit bourgeoisie” is the oldest Stalinist play book standard, the hypocrisy reaches Herculean proportions when KKs own parents economic status is considered, and their willingness to help with cash and connections. This doesn’t mean KK is not a worker, he is. I believe him when he says he washes dishes and does restaurant work. But it does mean he’s denouncing others in a hypocritical way. Such tactics hurt his own credibility more than anything.

Specifically on the claim that none of his comrades were “doing anything” this is absurd. The people he was working with were keeping the fare strike alive as one of their projects, and this is clear in the posts on indymedia at the time. They also organized against the G8. Many of them were also traveling to New Orleans to help Hurricane Katrina victims, given the emergency that it was (and still is in many ways). There was a lot going on. But doing nothing? That’s wrong. KK claims, in typical Leninist fashion, that the group lacked the capacity to make a collective decision. If it were true, it would conveniently leave him as the (self-imagined)leader not by choice, but by default. But the group of anarchists around Anarchist Action and Social Strike were extremely capable, they were energetic in their outreach about the strike, open in their class struggle politics, and very clear-eyed about who KK was and what he was trying to do. That’s why KK got the write off from most of these organizers, with a few maintaining contact with him in the hopes he might become more useful and honest given the, at the time, assumed value of his self-promoted resume as an expert. When the rhetoric of the resume failed to connect with his abilities in the actual strike, he was exposed. But it wasn’t until it was clear he was a totally vindictive asshole that people understood they had to get away from him. In the KK revisionist version, this is explained by designating every single person other than himself as a “leftist”.

Next, KK claims that because he has known the people he has slandered as fat, left wing of capital, golf caddies for the system, leninist dupes, liberals, pro-wage-labor, downe’s syndrome victims, longer than I have, that he is more qualified to judge their participation in the fare strike. I have known them all now for about three years, and some of them longer. In that time I know that they were instrumental in carrying off the fare strike to the degree it did happen, with thousands, maybe tens of thousands participating. They had a lively discussion of the fare strike at the last BASTARD conference, and they put together a democratically created pamphlet providing ten on the ground accounts of the fare strike. They carried out a direct intervention against scab hirings in the oakland school system. They participated in solidarity with hotel workers’ picket lines. They have arranged meetings and discussions around council communism at the Marxist Library in Berkeley. They have collaborated with Loren Goldner on translation projects, and a roundtable discussion online. They have been in contact with comrades in the IWW. One of them put together presentations on the Oakland General Strike of 1946, and many of them are at work on a book to be published on the same subject. Several of them have had critical articles published in places like Shaping San Francisco and Anarchy magazine. They have challenged and dismantled an ISO front group, with ripples emanating nationwide that caused the ISO’s California senatorial candidate and one of the published authors from the ISO’s central organization to join the attack on them (an indication that they took it seriously), and which also produced a pamphlet describing Leninist front group tactics that reached many students and anarchists and has thousands of reads online. They have produced a sharply critical piece on a teacher’s union in hawaii which is available on libcom. They have continued to publish pamphlets by Loren Goldner, Martin Glaberman, Stan Weir, Ron Rothbart, Jean Barrot, Gilles Dauvé, and others. They have hosted a talk in San Francisco and L.A. from a member of the German Wildcat group on his observations of “socialism” in Latin America. One of them has been asked to teach a class at the New College in San Francisco. They have been a distributor of Aufheben magazine in the Bay Area. They have shown the English dub of society of the spectacle, and the films of Guy Debord. They have, along with Ken Knabb, held Society of the Spectacle reading groups. I can’t speak for KK, but even if his “resume” is “better” than my group of friends’ I still think it should not be a cause for shame on our part. I also think the group shows promise for future thought and actions. So I still reject the baseless claim that the people around the fare strike grouping ever acted as recuperators or leftists.

The saddest, most embarrassing, and most confused portion of KK’s post above is where he attempts to explain that only a minority communist group under his lead could have spread the deep insight that the attacks of 9-11 were linked to US foreign policy. But this “bombshell” is so banal that it was trumpeted from “subversive” sources like Pat Buchanon, NPR, the Nation Magazine, the State Department, and Al Gore. When KK insists the group with Loren Goldner should have gotten out this supposedly unknown analysis, he says they should have done it “in the biggest way possible.” But his only explanation of doing something in a big way, as opposed to small, or medium sized way, seems to be the size of the posters they should have put up. There is literally no further explanation on possible action, nor even a vague insight into the weird concept that it would have changed the world if only people had discovered that US foreign policy was to blame for 9-11. Apparently, the never heard of Ward Churchil, Chalmers Johnson, or even Noam Chomsky (these are sited as the most glaringly obvious celebrity messengers of KK’s supposedly unheard of analysis) never made it onto the radar at KK compound, which is shaped like a vast brain encased in an information resistant bubble. “What?!!! US foreign policy responsible for attacks on us?!!! I assumed it was because they hated freedom! This KK chap is onto something, it’s so wild it just might work!” What any of that has to do with the fare strike, or any kind of critique of the participants is left unexplained by KK., other than that it is supposed to prove we are all leftists.

Next, KK attempts to smear me as a meth addict. His known battles with certain demons render this a non starter. Other than that, I do feel the need to say I don’t do meth or any hard drugs at all. I don’t appreciate his implications that I’m an addict. And for him to say I don’t pick up on what has been written numerous times is a transparent reversal of the form the exchange has taken, in which I’ve reprinted all of his statements and responded directly to each one (this explains the length of some of my responses, in that they also contained much of his writing), as he has ignored my points. The real obliviousness here is not on my part, but on the part of KK. He is still writing to an imaginary audience, one that has not roundly denounced him at every turn. It is a kind of autism in which the actions of others around him go undetected. Despite his rationalization that he doesn’t write to make friends, can he not be aware that it is the low level of critical capability, his utter failure to treat others with respect, and his megalomania that are to blame for his now total isolation (his own description of his current situation)? Having everyone disagree with you is not in of itself an indication that you are a genius. Being unable to respond honestly or in a meaningful way to what people put to you, or to acknowledge material realities is, however, a sign of a problem. Sooner or later you will have to address the disconnect between your self-promoting version of reality, and the reactions of people who really do work to bring about the values you loudly proclaim only you hold.

Then we go the “rehash: the fiftieth generation” portion, where KK now backs even further away from the “fact” that Marc Norton wrote our flyer, and even away from the claim that it “appears” he did, to a new nebulous claim that Marc’s “attitude” makes it “tend” to seem he appeared to do so. Talk about weasel words. Yeesh.

KK also lays out a non-comment about the PLP stalinists in the Drivers Action Committee, merely saying they are lies, nuff said. Now, instead of drivers who were “about to retire anyway,” we are given some who “used to work for Muni.” But they were working for Muni when KK was working with them, in direct contravention of his self-proclaimed prime directive of “never working with Stalinists” in his “Poor the Bad and the Angry” pamphlet. We are supposed to believe that only the leaders of the DAC were in the PLP cadre in the DAC, no one else. And he still has not grocked that this is not a criticism of working with people in a coalition, which everyone did, but of the DOUBLE STANDARD he has laid out, claiming that when we work with someone who was kicked out of a Maoist group 25 or more years ago, it means we are all under his control, but when he works with NOW PRACTICING STALINISTS, who he claims not to really know, despite going to one of their retirement parties and being on an email list of theirs, it is nothing but proof that he is a pristine left-communist, despite him going against even his own writings!

The level of hypocrisy is mind boggling! What is KK’s excuse for not “picking up” on this after it has been written probably more than ten times now? He claims to have “dealt with” the issue, but he has only offered shallow and unconvincing rationalizations.

One of the most important sections of his post above is where he tacitly admits he can’t disprove the charges that he acted as a choke point between riders and drivers with no democratic input into this top down controlling action, and that he lied to comrades to do it. In his own words he claims it is justified to act as a controlling authoritarian because only he could prevent “leftist rip-off shits” from taking over a “new kind of effort.” But is a conspiratorial stranglehold really anything “new”? This is why when KK discusses the fare strike, he can never describe any of the outreach, face to face time, actual actions, statements of the people in Social Strike, or the number of people who participated in it. It has to be negated as a “debacle” so he can ignore it to focus on the war in his head which is reflective only of himself, Marc Norton, and one other individual in a perceived struggle for power. The fact that the fare strike was an autonomous grouping of freely associating people, not a Leninist dictatorship, and that these people were self-organizing and effective, and open in their class struggle/anti-capitalist focus must be flushed down the memory hole to make way for KK’s revisionism. It’s more than airbrushing, it’s burying the truth.

KK then claims that because a website Marc Norton created to promote the fare strike announces a march to city Hall which took place after the strike was over, put together by the Day Laborers (it states this clearly in the announcement) whom KK has described as victims of downe’s syndrome for marching on city hall, that anyone who was involved with the fare strike group “automatically” is a reformist and had made a call to vote. This is silly on the face of it once we apply the exact same criteria to KK’s articles on the Social Strike website. Here, we find KK’s writing, alongside a call for religious groups to organize in the social strike, and articles by a Stalinist from the PLP. Using KK’s criteria, we discover that KK is both a Stalinist and a Christian. After all, these things appeared on “his” website. By that logic, anything on libcom or anti-politics is a direct reflection of everyone's’ beliefs who participates. We don’t now, nor have we ever attempted to disassociate ourselves from Marc’s website, which has a lot of useful articles, backgrounders, interviews, photos, and so on. But for KK to claim everything on the site can be cherry picked in isolation to “prove” that we are responsible for it doesn’t hold water.

KK then claims that if we didn’t “control” Marc’s website, it somehow proves he also wrote our leaflet. A four year old could see through this fallacy with no help, and it merits no response. The leaflet writing process has been posted enough times that KK should have “picked up” on it by now. I’m tired of this having to spoon feed him his thought process.

KK thinks he is enlightening us when he says we should learn from our failure, but had he read our pamphlet, he might have seen there is an entire section in which we discuss what went right and what went wrong.

Overall, we do see him retreating away from many of his unsustainable arguments, if not entirely, then at least into forms in which they lack any actual meaning. Aside from his clueless repetition, there is almost nothing of value left to even consider in his failed two year campaign of lies. The unexpected thing is that he is, as we saw above, now tacitly admitting that.

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Jun 17 2007 15:31

The typing practice never ends with the leftist-Tourettes-Syndrome sufferer Comrade Mobuto.

I've more than clearly made my point against the left-wing of capital types like Mobuto; they dragged a potentially new form of anti-capitlaist mass action backwards into drooling, gibbering, statist leftist-loser-land. So the dweeb and prolix crappy writer Mobuto can have the last word. Guys like him have to pay attention to me -- I don't have to return the favor.

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Jun 17 2007 18:31

this back and forth is unfortunately an example of the character of the local "ultra-left" in the Bay Area. this "ultra-left" is a milieu that runs from "council communists" to situationists to "post-left" anarchy-ists.

The good thing about the fare strike is that it was an actual attempt by revolutionaries at mass organizing. in my observation, this is rather rare for the local "ultra-lefts". Comrade M. refers to participation on picket lines, and that is a good thing. but what exactly is the position of Comrade M.'s group on unions and the building of mass organizations?

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KK claims, in typical Leninist fashion, that the group lacked the capacity to make a collective decision. If it were true, it would conveniently leave him as the (self-imagined)leader not by choice, but by default. But the group of anarchists round Anarchist Action and Social Strike were extremely capable, they were energetic in their outreach about the strike, open in their class struggle politics, and very clear-eyed about who KK was and what he was trying to do....

But this last sentence sort of contradicts what he says later:

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But it wasn’t until it was clear he was a totally vindictive asshole that people understood they had to get away from him.

I never saw Muni Social Strike attempt to control KK or discipline him to the group. My impression was that at the outset they sort of looked up to him as an older and more experienced comrade. They were indeed an energetic and intelligent group. However, some of them sort of disappeared halfway into the organizing, a point that KK has mentioned before. As time went on the Social Strike folks paid less and less attention to KK, which may have contributed to KK's sour grapes.

Neither Muni Fare Strike nor Muni Social Strike ever tried to build a mass organization, a venue where ordinary folks who ride Muni would be comfortable being themselves and participating as equal members. Both Fare Strike and Social Strike were loosey-goosey groups without any concept of membership, any taking of minutes to ensure correct understanding of what had been decided. The Muni Social Strike folks, at the early meetings I went to, insisted that their revolutionary anti-capitalist politics had to be in command, that putting out "anti-market" and an anti-capitalist perspective was central to what they wanted to do. This was combined with unrealistic "spontaneist" ideas -- such as the idea that people would just organize their own bus stops, without any idea of the need for a larger network for them to plug into or any actual organizing of people to do this.

in their selection of paragraphs from my own writings in their pamphlet on the fare strike, Comrade M.'s group pointedly did not include my comments about the need for organizing a mass organization of riders (unless I've overlooked it...I confess I've not read all the way through it yet).

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The fact that the fare strike was an autonomous grouping of freely associating people, not a Leninist dictatorship, and that these people were self-organizing and effective, and open in their class struggle/anti-capitalist focus must be flushed down the memory hole to make way for KK’s revisionism.

This way of talking about what happened contributes to a self-delusional failure to examine the actual distinction between leaders and followers that came to exist from the way the whole effort was structured. The Social Strike and Fare Strike groups were actually the leadership of the effort, but they failed to make any effort to create a structure or venue through which their leadership could be made accountable. This is not a difference between Comrade M. and his group, on the one hand, and KK, but is something they both are guilty of.

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The leaflet writing process has been posted enough times that KK should have “picked up” on it by now.

Maybe i've missed this but i don't remember you explaining this. Anyways, Marc had written a leaflet that was at least very similar to the 2005 leaflet. But so what? Who cares who wrote it? The only real question would be whether it's content made sense and was a good piece of organizing literature. I think it was short, to the point, and clear. I think it was a perfectly fine piece for the actual organizing on the street that we did. Comrade M., I don't think you should be defensive about this. the folks in Muni Fare Strike were intelligent and critical and I'm sure if they didn't like the content of the leaflet, no matter who wrote the draft, they'd have said something about it in meetings.