Radical feminism, again.

Actually arf, Revol is not the only person who's asked you direct questions you've refused to answer, he's just the only one who can be bothered chasing you up on it.

So, just to remind you:

Would you defend excluding trans people from rape crisis centres?

Would you defend physical attacks on lesbian s&m clubs?

Are you going to give us your definition of radical feminism and say something about false consciousness?

Or are you going to continue ducking any serious engagement in favour of vague assertion and slinging accusations of misogyny, rape complicity and sexism whenever someone doesn't agree with you instantly and unconditionally?

or in other words you want me to show my papers?

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Would you defend excluding trans people from rape crisis centres?

Rape crisis centres are unable to offer much help to anyone - like I said my local one only runs a helpline twice a week, and they offer counselling to as many people as they can.

If it was my refuge that I ran and got funding for and spent my week volunteering at, and all decisions were down to me alone, then I wouldnt turn away anyone who needs help or support based on their gender. I couldn't do it myself. But I do think that women-only space, especially in the context of escaping male violence, is necessary, and i would try to ensure that there was space for women born women (and i hate that phrase) to be seperate if they needed to be.

I think it's worth noting, once again, that transmen are accepted into most women only comunities. And I also want to say, again, that I think it's fucking outrageous the way that aspersions are being cast on refuges and rape crisis, i mean noone here has offered any evidence of transpeople being turned away from anywhere. There has been no evidence or discussion of any specific circumstance - just insinuations that the women who set up and run these centres are all transphobic cows that either enjoy or dont care about transpeople who are hurt.

It's like the hypothetical that wont go away - topic: feminists, specific may be radfems. "I demand to know, would you turn away a transwoman from a refuge?" I don't see this sort of harassment as any different as if I were to stomp around demanding of any of the men here, Would you rape a woman? There hasnt even been any pretence at discussion - just a set up of an extreme view with no context whatsoever, and then demands that I state my position on it.

As usual in these discussions, nobody cares to discuss the men who hurt them in the first place, and as usual, it is mostly men who do the hurting. Of course, I'll be seen as making a horrific and anti man generalisation by saying that most violence against transpeople, as against everyone else, is committed by men. But it's somehow okay for people here to make generalisations about the women who work at and run refuges - what an interesting contradiction.

I havent time to answer your other demands right now, but I encourage you to examine why you think it's okay to set up these hypothetical extremes, then demand that I answer to them, as if they are in any way connected to me - it's fucking out of order, and no less out of order than if i insinuated you are all rapists until you prove otherwise. I also think you should examine how a bunch of you have continued to harass me with the same questions across a bunch of threads despite all this. I guess some people are just guilty until proven innocent.

arf you really have no shame, the criticisms that ticking_fool and me offered weren't aimed at women who work in refuges at all, they were aimed at radical feminists and their theories. Now some of these radical feminists work in refuges but to try and portray ticking_fools issues as being generalised attacks on refuge workers is just alice in wonderland stuff, it's like if I criticised doctors or nurses who refused to refugees and they tried to portray it as an attack on all doctors and nurses.

I think i'm just no going to bother discussing anything with you anymore because not only aren't you the sharpest tool in the box, what intellect you do have is put to the service of twisting and manipulating arguments to suit your victim complex.