at lewrockwell-dot-com you will meet some complete laissez-faire state-haters, but they're pretty ignorant about the left.
Right Wing Anarchism
A good idea of Rockwell's politics can be gleaned from the fact that his website publishes this obituary for Mel Gabler, who devoted the latter portion of his life to making sure that public schoolbooks in America didn't offend him by, say, reminding people that America was founded on genocide, that brown people exist, and that Jesus wasn't real. General theocratic twit, but thanks to his persistence and where he lived, he managed to tilt the public school textbooks in his direction.
Why do the "Libertarians" like Rockwell think highly of Gabler? Because Gabler pisses off lefties.
In the US the so-called "anarcho-capitalists" were led by Murray Rothbard.
See: THE LIBERTARIAN FORUM http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/lf/lib-forum-contents.html
"This newsletter, published from 1969–1984, was edited and mostly written by Murray N. Rothbard (all unattributed articles are by him). It contains some of his most fascinating writing on politics, freedom, history, war, the libertarian movement, and the movies ("Mr. First Nighter")."
---from intro to digital reprint series
It's really not all that different than the hosts of crazies that call themselves marxists or christians or whatever. Right wing anarchists by definition be anarchists because they believe in hierarchy, best to look at the content of what someone says rather than the label they ascribe to themselves.
It's really not all that different than the hosts of crazies that call themselves marxists or christians or whatever. Right wing anarchists by definition be anarchists because they believe in hierarchy, best to look at the content of what someone says rather than the label they ascribe to themselves.
Yeah but the original post seems to be referring to something like our right wing fringe. Much of the militia movement is against the state, believe in solidarity and mutual aid (with their select group) and isn't necessarily pro-capitalist. Chris Plummer has been advocating relationships between right wing anti-state groups and anarchists for years now.
So then we aren't talking about Nozick or Rothbard here, but more militia types? Not sure if I want to get in bed with these folks personally, Alberta is one of the few places in Canada that has tonnes of these too. Hell I basically grew up in their Canadian heartland. I can see similarities between them and anarchists but solidarity with your own group isn't really solidarity thats just having a group, same with mutual aid.
So then we aren't talking about Nozick or Rothbard here, but more militia types? Not sure if I want to get in bed with these folks personally, Alberta is one of the few places in Canada that has tonnes of these too. Hell I basically grew up in their Canadian heartland. I can see similarities between them and anarchists but solidarity with your own group isn't really solidarity thats just having a group, same with mutual aid.
Sure, if they agreed completely with us they'd be anarchists. I'm just saying there are elements of that movement that we can relate to. There's also a lot of racism and anti-semitism there so its hit or miss.
National Anarchists are just fascists/neo-Nazis with another name, taking third positionism to the extreme (see Yockey, then go further).
thugarchist is right with his comment "There's also a lot of racism and anti-semitism there". From what I've read, a very large proportion of the US Militia networks seem to have ties to Posse Comitatus (sp?), National Alliance, KKK etc in their backgrounds, and I assume it would be much the same today? If so, I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with them, and I'd hope no other anarchist would either.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a fucking stupid justification.
All the successionist groups in montana are ultra-right, montana-nationalists. Forming an alliance with such scum is just asking for trouble. BTW, most of these groups are only "anti-government" as far as the federal government goes, any government that they had they pulled the strings with I'm sure would be perfectly cool with them.
National Anarchists are just fascists/neo-Nazis with another name, taking third positionism to the extreme (see Yockey, then go further).thugarchist is right with his comment "There's also a lot of racism and anti-semitism there". From what I've read, a very large proportion of the US Militia networks seem to have ties to Posse Comitatus (sp?), National Alliance, KKK etc in their backgrounds, and I assume it would be much the same today? If so, I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with them, and I'd hope no other anarchist would either.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a fucking stupid justification.
There are clearly definable militia groups in the U.S. with no ties to organized or ideological fascism.
They are also the main believers of all the conspiracies here in the states. And think the U.N. is behind their backs, with
a batallion of alien soldiers. It's why they gotta keep em guns.......they are republicans, basically...
They're no more nor less conspiracy theorists than the bulk of anarchists in the U.S. Same thing different patches.
There is a battle between the right and left wings of the Vermont sepratist militia going on right now.
Some of em came out stringly against the minute men, others are pretty lefty on alot of ther issues too.
I actually came "ideologically" out of that political milieux.
I grew up in rural British Colombia, lots of conspiracy theory stuff, specially bout the zionist secret society that run shit, all that.
I also considered myself a comunist at that point. The only people who seemed to me serriously into politics and changing things were influenced by that line of thinking, weither we knew it or not. Most of us were totally oblivious to the links.
I didnt hate jews or anything, I just thought there was a bunch of rich guys pulling the strings, and it had always been vaguely articulated around zionoim.
I know this might sound weird, but we were just uneducated, ignorant people with no intelectual tools to fully explain how things worked. I hated authority (mostly cops and politicians) and knew a small gang of rich people ran shit.
I think alot of poeople in militias are like that.
Hell I had a six foot confederate flag on my bedroom wall in highschool. It had nothing to do with racism, I just identified with the rebel imagry.
This probably all came out sounding pretty weird....
....Let the personal attacks begin.
An honest hatred of the state should be our natural bond. We are libertarians in as much as we are communists. All of us have marched beside a stalinist in a parade. (perhaps making some jibe under our breath) Yet we so quickly distance our selves, and with such fierceness, from the radical libertarian movements. Doesn't this seem unbalanced? Anarchists are purists in our ideas. I think this is for the best. Yet, purity of position, means a daily compromise of action. Anarchists are the biggest whores, we need to be. Yet, who and where we compromise ourselves is genarally revealing. It is clear that the majority of anarchists are social democrats at heart. Because we will engage with a labor beuracrat, march beside a stalinist, and hold a flag with a progressive. This is very sad. It reveals the level to which most anarchists are NOT committed to the anti-state rhetoric of our movement. Else, we would on a occasion go to a militia meeting and embrace our libertarian brothers, as we daily whore ourselves to our statist communist allies.
There are clearly definable militia groups in the U.S. with no ties to organized or ideological fascism.
yup. as rebelw mentions, there are lots of people who want vermont to be a separate country, both left and right. the posse comitatus is based only on the idea that there is no legitimate political level larger than the county. and when the leader of the ohio militia testified to congress during the militia heyday in the late 80s, i was frankly surprised to see that he was black.
there are plenty anti-semitic, racist, christianoid, conspiracy types in this zone but there are also lots of ideologically motivated anti-satists.
Hahaha...If i still lived in the country I sure as hell would be minglin with those folks.
They have a way bigger working class base than the left.
That base hangs a gun in the window of every pickup truck, too.
Since L died, my best freind is a Confederate re-enactor. We agree that Lincoln was a tyrant. And he does not deny that Dixie was a class society. But when I talk about class solidarity trumping regional animosity, he just rolls his eyes, and says I'm being "unrealistic". Utopian.
There is quite a bit of latent class resentment to tap into, if we could ever get a stable revolutioanry base constructed- and challenge the diversion of class resentment into racism. (Sigh).
A few years ago I heard of a group calling themselves "National Anarchists", I briefly looked at their web site. Don't remember much but a jumble of confused ideas trying to tie Anarchism to Nationalism. It was all in very large print too.
My understanding of National Anarchism is that it mostly exists to sway impressionable, young leftists towards racism. They believe in autonomous communities, but racially segregated communities.
Right-wing "anarchism" comes in two main types: "anarcho"-capitalism and "anarcho"-nationalists. Neither have anything to do with anarchism as such (although the former try to appropriate the US individualist anarchist tradition as forefathers). Sadly some academics have fallen for the claims of the former as being a form of anarchism, although thankfully none has yet included "anarcho"-nationalists into our family tree!
The idea what we can work with these people is just silly. They are not anarchists nor seek anarchism. The capitalists want a system of private police forces defending capitalist property and power. The nationalists want radically pure communities. they may be against the current state, but they want to replace it with different systems of hierarchy.


Having a pretty throw away chat down the pub t'other day about how anarchists and the more radical right wing have a lot in common in that they both want rid of the state and someone said that their is a history of Right WIng Anarchists - it was time to get another pint so I never got find out more about this, so... is that true?
What do right wing anarchists look like?
Or who are the ultra-right-wing thinkers whose thoughts meet up at least in part with those of anarchists?